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Related: About this forumWhy Are More People Not Outraged About How Bernie Sanders Frames His Views on Immigrants?
Remember when Donald Trump said he wants fewer immigrants from shithole countries and more from places like Norway?
https://www.latinorebels.com/2019/04/15/sandersimmigrants/
Are people really taking Bernie Sanders to task about what he told Trevor Noah last week during The Daily Shows Between the Scenes digital segment?
As Sanders stated (bold and italics are our own emphasis):
Nobody, I mean not many people believe in open borders. If you simply opened the borders, youd have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in. And no one thinks that is a plausible approach. On the other hand, I think the strength of this nation is the diversity and the new ideas from immigrants from all walks of life have given this country. So you need a rational, non-racist immigration policy which welcomes people in from all over the world to improve our economy, but clearly you cannot have open borders.
Ironically enough, Sanders stance against a rational, non-racist immigration policy gets a bit lost when he also thinks that its a bad idea to have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Their grandparents were boat people and refugees after the war.
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RainCaster
(10,842 posts)Anyone from that part of the world has my vote to get in to our shithole country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)Hes always seen open borders as a threat to American wage earners. Many economic liberals see it that way, too ... that its a race to the bottom and only strict controls on immigration will keep wages up here ... that the billionaires bus in cheap labor to keep the rest of us down.
Bernie believes in workers rights throughout the world.
I dont equate Bernies views with those of the Deplorables.
Ive come to think differently on immigration, and tend to believe we need young workers to pay into social security. But Im ok with Bernies heart on this issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)View profile
Hes always seen open borders as a threat to American wage earners. Many economic liberals see it that way, too ... that its a race to the bottom and only strict controls on immigration will keep wages up here ... that the billionaires bus in cheap labor to keep the rest of us down.
Bernie believes in workers rights throughout the world.
I dont equate Bernies views with those of the Deplorables.
Ive come to think differently on immigration, and tend to believe we need young workers to pay into social security. But Im ok with Bernies heart on this issue.
Link to tweet
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TomCADem
(17,382 posts)Who is in support of open borders? It is sort of like politicians fear mongering about the spread of Sharia Law. It is just a racist dog whistle to appeal to racist fears about immigrants. Yet, despite that no one can name a single candidate that is supporting "open borders," Bernie continues to rail against "open borders" just like Donald Trump to demonize immigrants. Heck, in the clip in the OP, Bernie is not talking about immigrants from Norway. No, he has to call out Asian and Hispanic countries.
https://time.com/4170591/bernie-sanders-immigration-conservatives/
Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the adamantly pro-life co-chair of Sen. Ted Cruzs presidential campaign who has dismissed global warming as a hoax and repeatedly supported shutting down the federal government, praised Sanders immigration stance several times in August.
I admire Bernies passion and I notice that his immigration position is closer to mine than it is some of the presidential candidates on the Republican side, King said in an interview with an Iowa radio station over this past summer. Hes said Lets take care of American workers. Im all for that.
Also this summer, King compared Sanders with Republican candidate Donald Trump, saying theyre both speaking with non-politically correct language, and Bernie has taken some positions that I agree with. And part of his immigration policy is something that I agree with.
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But the praise is not accidental. Sanders opposition to the 2007 immigration reform bill and his rhetoric about the effect of immigrant labor on American workers have dismayed immigration activists and liberal allies in the past. He has expressed concern repeatedly over the years that guest workers in the United States depress wages and squeeze Americans out of their jobs.
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StTimofEdenRoc
(445 posts)I have to pick and choose. Is anyone else feeling this way?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Bernie Sanders has approximately zero chance of becoming the party's nominee.
People aren't getting too terribly excited about him one way or the other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not the first.
p.s. Vermont and NH are both under 2% African-American per a quick Google search. Is this relevant? Well, I think it is. JMHO, YMMV.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)None of them want open borders.
Bernie Sanders wants to decriminalize the border. Julián Castro was the leader on that issue.
Joe Biden doesn't want to decriminalize the border.
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Sanders might be to the left of the people of Vermont. He is not to the left of our field.
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TomCADem
(17,382 posts)Steve King and Ann Coulter are leftists? This is also not new. Steve King, the White Supremecist from Iowa, was praising Bernie's immigration views back in 2015 and here is Ann Coulter this year once again praising Bernie's immigration views.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/04/18/ann-coulter-bernie-sanders-could-get-my-vote-despite-socialist-stuff/3505539002/
Conservative provocateur Ann Coulter often makes headlines by caustically deriding political figures, but she drew attention Wednesday by saying nice things about democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders.
In a preview of an interview on PBS' "Firing Line With Margaret Hoover" that is scheduled to air Friday, Coulter said she might back the Vermont senator's 2020 presidential bid because of his past opposition to immigration legislation that he feared would drive down wages for American workers. If he went back to his original position, which is the pro-blue-collar position. I mean, it totally makes sense with him," she said.
Coulter and other conservatives have praised Sanders for his opposition to a comprehensive immigration reform bill in 2007. "At a time when the middle class is shrinking, the last thing we need is to bring over a period of years millions of people into this country who are prepared to lower wages for American workers," Sanders said at the time. He also said America had a "very serious immigration problem" and that "our border is very porous."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,740 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,939 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Both he and his wife worked to dump nuclear waste into minority communities.
This is the ugliest side of populism. Sanders has been historically consistent with respect to his isolationist policies hidden behind populist rhetoric.
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Autumn
(44,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to Autumn (Reply #19)
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Autumn
(44,984 posts)didn't look for another copy of the same video from a reputable site, and there were plenty others to chose from. I accept that was on me, but the video being shown on their site doesn't change the fact that those were Biden's actions, one was from a news souce and the other on AJ. I just posted the longest video, and I didn't twist Biden's actions.
It also doesn't change the facts that I gave you on your Turning Point USA nuclear waste comment, that talking point comes from them. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee and Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, both Black women from Texas were co-sponsors on the bill along with 21 others, to store nuclear waste there because geological and environmental studies showed that location was the best place to store it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)It wasn't hard to recognize. Hard to believe you didn't see the big "Infowars" logo.
Glad you have changed your position on them. Good to know.
With the Sanders/Trump attacks on the media they have left themselves and their surrogates with few outlets to go to. It will lead to more Infowar "mistakes." Populism is populism no matter who is promoting it.
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Autumn
(44,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Some do.
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Autumn
(44,984 posts)And also most of us don't hate him. In 2018 there were 22,491 refugees resettled in the United States, under a refugee ceiling of 45,000 for that year. I would have liked to see the ceiling met but...Trump. You can't blame that on Bernie. Do you think that we should have open borders so that people can come flooding into our country, just walk across the border, with no process? What if 50,000 crossed the border in a week? Where would they go? What would they do?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)wanting a better life in the US. Fewer people from developed countries would want to immigrate to the US.
Trump wants more whites. For Bernie, it's about workers' wages not race.
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MineralMan
(146,262 posts)I mean...
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Thekaspervote
(32,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)The art of the smear. It is so reassuring to know that we Democrats are capable of it also
Of course Bernie doesn't think that let alone say that. It is not news to anyone that billions of people live in poor mostly third world nations and that any sane person would consider any remotely acceptable route available for their family to escape extreme poverty.
Bernie doesn't think it's a bad idea to have people from the nations listed coming into America. He, like all of our candidates for president, thinks it would be a bad idea for the U.S. to have completely open borders because if we did the U.S. would be overwhelmed by economic migrants. And no, the bulk of them wouldn't be coming from countries like Norway.
Bernie, like all of our Democratic candidates, wants a rational, workable and humane immigration policy, not open borders. He, like all of our Democratic candidates, supports the U.S. providing sanctuary to all legitimate refugees under international law, and that includes those arriving from Latin America etc. He supports family reunification efforts that prioritize immigrants from "Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in" who already have family members living in the U.S.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The first part of his statement is spoken to his social conservative populists, the rest to reassure his LW radical/socialistic followers that he's really on the "right side" of this issue.
Note that while immigration issues are very important to his social conservatives, immigration's far less important than class resentments and healthcare to his LW factions. ALSO that his following seems to be dominated by the antagonisms of the social cons, at least one hopes from the behaviors of 2016. In any case, he has to keep them happy.
As to why we aren't seeming more expressions of outrage from Democrats? I'm still trying to figure out how any normal Democrat could support him. Of course much of the answer is probably in earnest statements like, "I like both Biden and Sanders" and "I like Kamala, but Bernie's my second choice."
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awesomerwb1
(4,265 posts)just look at his voting record on immigration. #not the best
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)reneging on trade agreements, imposing tariffs, etc. That's my main problem with Sanders, and policies like Warren's "Economic Patriotism."
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R B Garr
(16,950 posts)comments? This needs full exposure.
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden