Biden allies float scaling back events to limit gaffes

[left-of-center2012]

Allies to Joe Biden have been floating the idea of altering the former vice president's schedule in an effort to reduce the gaffes he has made in recent days.

The allies, growing increasingly nervous about Biden's verbal flubs, have said it's an approach that's been suggested to campaign officials on the heels of the former vice president’s stumbles.

Biden has a tendency to make the blunders late in the day, his allies say, particularly after a long swing on the road, like he had last week in Iowa. They say something needs to be done to give the candidate more down time as the campaign intensifies in the fall.

Biden is on vacation this week in his home state of Delaware.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457486-biden-allies-float-scaling-back-events-to-limit-gaffes

[still_one]

1. and which so-called "allies" are those who would spew this to the media?

[highplainsdem]

4. Exactly. These aren't "allies" of Biden's. They're anonymous critics trying to hurt him.

[still_one]

14. Sounds more like those "great" Biden allies David Sirota and Briahna Joy Gray

[ucrdem]

74. winner

[NYMinute]

83. +1000 nt

[brooklynite]

84. They might also be staff trying to stop a policy they think is a mistake.

[FBaggins]

5. Exactly

Unless his gaffes are caused by a temporary virus, there's no way to take a presidential candidate off the campaign trail once things heat up. If he needs such breaks in order to avoid mental lapses ... then he can't be the nominee. Imagine a president who has to take off every other day (I know... I know... no need to go there).

So what "ally" would announce that his or her candidate was literally unfit for office?

[thesquanderer]

21. If he's more gaffe prone later in the day, they could limit events to, say, 9 am to 2 pm.

I'm not worried about "mental lapses" preventing him from being a good president. The kinds of "gaffes" that have been a problem in a press-covered campaign are not the kinds of things that would affect the judgment needed to actually do the job.

[lapucelle]

39. "The Hill floats that Biden's allie's float..."

[Cha]

50. My first reaction.. with so-called allies

like these.. who needs detractors?

[Dennis Donovan]

2. We're still talking about "gaffes"???

Oy vey... What's next? He wears earth tones???

[Autumn]

3. That's the ticket to win. Don't campaign.

How many other candidates take a week vacation during the primaries?

[Skya Rhen]

6. How many other candidates is the front-runner?

[Autumn]

9. He is currently the front runner, no denying that. But IMO he won't remain the front runner

Every primary has a front runner. I don't remember any that have scaled back their appearances because they get tired and make gaffes. I also don't recall any that need to take a week vacation after 4 months of campaigning.

[Skya Rhen]

12. IMO he will remain the front-runner and so can afford to take time off if he chooses.

[Autumn]

13. You go with that. That's the ticket to win, just campaign once in a while and take a week off when

you get tired.

[Skya Rhen]

18. Can you please point out in the article where it states that he is tired? I hope that isn't a

talking point intended to disparage him about his age. I’ll wait for a response.

[Autumn]

26. I don't need to point out anything to you. Maybe you should read the article

and form your own opinion from what is in it. I did.

[George II]

106. What made you form your own opinion about him being tired?

Nowhere in the article is anything mentioned about tiredness, fatigue, exhaustion, or anything like that.

Please directly address the question. Thanks!

[Eliot Rosewater]

127. BASHING Democrats is very popular with some, isnt it.

Nowhere to be seen are they when "vote blue no matter who" is uttered.

[liskddksil]

24. Just ask Hillary who basically took all of August 2016 off to go fundraise

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made her "deplorables" gaffe early that September and let Trump back in the race.

[qazplm135]

34. well...yeah

it is just like that, that's the point/concern.

[liskddksil]

36. Yes. Don't want a repeat of that.

[lapucelle]

38. In what way is it "just like that"? It's currently August 2019

and the election isn't until November 2020.

Your timeline is off by a year.

[qazplm135]

40. seems pretty obvious

the concern (you can argue whether it is valid or not) is that Biden is prone to getting tired and committing gaffes.

IF true (and there is at least some evidence for it), then that's not changing a year from now, thus the concern will remain will it not?

Now, again, reasonable minds can argue that Trump's awfulness and idiocy will outweigh the flaws of any of our candidates whether it is Biden's gaffes, or Harris' issues with her time as AG, or Bernie's "socialism," or Warren facing the headwinds of misogyny. That doesn't make it not a "concern."

So I'm confused as to your response to be honest.

[lapucelle]

48. Wait...what? That concern isn't "obvious" based on a timeline that's a year off.

This is not an analog to August 2016.

The concern hinges on an August-November timeline in the same year

How is the concern that an August 2019 schedule might give the Republican candidate an opportunity to "get back in" during the 2020 general election season in any way analogous?

The timeline is off by a year.

[qazplm135]

60. the concern

and it's parallel is that the a flaw(s) of a dem candidate could lead to an otherwise should be easily beaten Trump narrowly winning.

I'm not sure what you are having trouble with but clearly you don't agree and I don't know how else to explain it so we can just agree to disagree and move on.

[lapucelle]

68. "Flawed candidate"? Wasn't that a right wing/Republican talking point during the 2016 GE?

This is the first time I've seen anyone reference

"the a flaw(s) of a dem candidate"

regarding the 2020 race.

[qazplm135]

71. oh good grief

you aren't interested in actual discussion I can see now.
Have a nice day.

[thesquanderer]

93. Every candidate has flaws. (n/t)

[lapucelle]

97. That is indeed true.

I can only remember one election when "flawed candidate" was ever used as an anti-Democratic Party talking point and only one particular candidate who it was ever used against.

"Flawed candidate" became an excuse for the lazy to stay home on election day and a reason for those who should have known better to vote third party or even to vote for Trump.

I'm going to do my best to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[George II]

108. There's nothing like that in the article, unless I missed it?

[qazplm135]

109. this wasn't a response to the article

it was a response to a series of posts and back and forths within this thread.

[George II]

111. That's all uninformed speculation on their part.

[treestar]

61. Yes, and the deplorable gaffe was much earlier

than August before the election.

[lapucelle]

66. Wouldn't that mean that those who are concerned are doubly wrong

about the timeline?

Thank you for pointing out another way in which the concerns are predicated on mistaken facts.

[liskddksil]

70. It was actually September 9th 2016. I'll fix my original post nt

[treestar]

72. Could have sworn it was earlier in the campaign

before her nomination. But it was not until Sept. 2016, so I am the one who is wrong. Just could have sworn it went back further than that.

[lapucelle]

73. So you were both wrong about the facts on which the concern is based?

Caveat lector.

[treestar]

75. Yes, I am surprised to find it was that late

don't know why but it just seemed to me to have been a lot longer, like in the primary campaign, that she said that and people were going on about it a lot longer.

But her emails!

[liskddksil]

77. No, my premise is that Hillary spent the whole month of August 2016

holding fundraisers in the Hamptons and other ritzy spots when she should have been out there in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and around the country. Her convention bounce faded and by labor day polls were almost even. The deplorables gaffe and her public stumble at the 9/11 Memorial event of course did not help.

[lapucelle]

81. How does that premise support the claim that what a candidate is doing 15 months before

a general election is analogous to ("a repeat of" ) what a different candidate did 3 months before a general election?

Your timeline is still wrong.

[liskddksil]

82. If a candidate's team is having their candidate do less events because they are gaffe prone at this

point in the cycle, its not like that candidate would be any less gaffe prone later on.

[lapucelle]

90. What does that have to do with your August 2016 comparison?

You said you were basing your conclusion on this premise:




If the revised claim is, "The gaffes are only going to get worse by August of next year!", how does a list of grievances about a different candidate, at a different point in an election cycle, in a different election year ( your self-styled "premise" ) support that amended claim?

[liskddksil]

99. Its a primary election right now and I am trying to prevent what happened last time from happening

again. For me that means picking a candidate not prone to gaffes, and one who is going to hustle for every vote all the time.

[lapucelle]

100. "I am trying to prevent what happened last time from happening

again. For me that means picking a candidate not prone to gaffes, and one who is going to hustle for every vote all the time."

The 2016 Democratic candidate for president was neither "prone to gaffes" nor someone "not willing to hustle for every vote all the time".

And even if that framing were accurate, it does nothing as a "premise" to provide a cogent reason for anyone's concerns about any candidate's schedule for any one particular month more than a year before an election.

[George II]

112. Her deplorable comment wasn't considered a "gaffe" by Democrats, only republicans. We all....

....agreed with and applauded it.

[hurl]

126. I defninitely agreed and applauded

But I thought it was a mistake to say it aloud, because it was seized upon as a badge of honor on the other side. This is particularly true in red areas like mine.... I was a volunteer at the Democratic Party booth for several local festivals, and often the most common response we got when attempting to engage passers by was along the line of "Sorry, but I'm a Deplorable."

It very likely was true, but in red areas, it was a mistake. For people on the fence, it came across the wrong way. Yes, people on the fence are idiots, but they sway elections. That's just the reality. We have to deal with the electorate we have, not the one we want.

[George II]

113. What's your problem with Hillary Clinton? She ran an almost flawless campaign, won...

...ALL of the debates, and many accept the fact that the election was stolen from her and she should be president.

She was VERY busy in August 2016. Here is an (almost) complete list of her appearances, she campaigned ALL over the country, including both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in PENNSYLVANIA. She held campaign events on 16 of the 31 days in August, So much for your premise that "Hillary spent the whole month of August 2016 holding fundraisers in the Hamptons and other ritzy spots"!!!

Campaign appearances are in bold. As for fundraisers, do you think national campaigns are cheap?

Details
Mon. August 1, 2016
-Campaigns at Omaha North High Magnet School in Omaha, NE (+).
-Fundraiser hosted by Warren Buffett's daughter Susie at her home in Fairacres, Omaha, NE. ($)

Tues. August 2, 2016
-Fundraising dinner with Bill Clinton hosted by Charif Souki, founder of Cheniere Energy, at Aspen Valley Ranch in Woody Creek, CO. $)

Wed. August 3, 2016
-Visits The Knotty Tie Co. in Denver, CO (+).
-Campaigns at Adams City High School in Commerce City, CO (+).
-Fundraiser in Littleton, CO. ($)
-Fundraiser at the home of Charlie and Cantey Ergen, billionaire co-founders of Dish Network, in Bow Mar, CO. ($)

Thurs. August 4, 2016
-Tours Mojave Electric Co LLC in Las Vegas, NV (+).
-Hosts a rally at IBEW Local 357 in Las Vegas, NV (+).

Fri. August 5, 2016
-Addresses 2016 National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) and National Association of Hispanic Journalists (NAHJ) joint convention at the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington, DC (+).

Sat. August 6, 2016
-no info.

Sun. August 7, 2016
-

Mon. August 8, 2016
-Tours 3 Daughters Brewing in St. Petersburg, FL (+).
-Jobs rally at The Coliseum in St. Petersburg, FL (+).
-Jobs ralliy in Exhibition Hall at Osceola Heritage Park in Kissimmee, FL (+).

Tues. August 9, 2016
-Tours Borinquen Health Care Center in Miami, FL (+).
Stops at Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz's campaign field office and speaks to a group of the congresswoman's volunteers and supporters, in Davie (Broward Co.), FL.
Two fundraising events in Miami Beach, FL:
-The first, larger one, at the home of Dr. Bruce Carter, drew about 100 attendees donating at least $2,700. ($)
-The second, hosted by Alfonso "Alfy" Fanjul and Paul Cejas, drew about 30 people, each of whom gave at least $50,000. ($)

Wed. August 10, 2016
-Tours and remarks at RAYGUN in Des Moines, IA (+).
-Rally at Lincoln High School in Des Moines, IA (+).
-Fundraiser at the home of Ethan and Gretchen Davidson, he is son of former Pistons owner William Davidson, in Birmingham, suburb of Detroit, MI. ($)

Thurs. August 11, 2016
-Speech on working families at Futuramic Tool and Engineering in Warren, MI (+).
-Evening fundraiser at The Chicago Club in Chicago, IL. ($)

Fri. August 12, 2016
-no info.

Sat. August 13, 2016
-no info.

Sun. August 14, 2016
-

Mon. August 15, 2016
HRC greeted Vice President Joe Biden as he came off Air Force Two. They motorcaded to Riverfront Sports for the rally.
-Campaigns with Vice President Joe Biden at Riverfront Sports in Scranton, PA (+). (rescheduled from July 8)
-Pool: "VPOTUS and Clinton spent about an hour at the home of Virginia and Bob McGregor, who'd set a big white tent up in their backyard." ($)
They drove to Biden's childhood home at 2446 North Washington, toured the house and did some photos.
Finally, they motorcaded back to the airport.
-Fundraising dinner at the Conyers Farm estate of Richard and Ellen Schapps Richman in Greenwich, CT. ($)

Tues. August 16, 2016
-Voter registration event at West Philadelphia High School in Philadelphia, PA (+).

Wed. August 17, 2016
-Tours then delivers remarks at a tax fairness event at John Marshall High School in Cleveland, OH (+).
Meets with Paul McCartney at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, OH, where he is later performing a concert.
-FOX 8 Cleveland reported that in addition to the rally and the meeting with McCartney "Clinton has a fundraiser in the area." ($)

Thurs. August 18, 2016
-Roundtable discussion with eight law enforceement leaders at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, NY (+).

Fri. August 19, 2016
Hillary and Bill Clinton have dinner on Martha's Vineyard to celebrate his 70th birthday, per an aide.

Sat. August 20, 2016 ...five fundraisers in Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod
-Fundraiser at the home of former ambassador to Portugal Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, on Eel Point in Nantucket, MA. ($)
-Fundraiser at the home of Carol and Frank Biondi, former Viacom and Universal Studios CEO, in Edgartown (Martha's Vineyard), MA. ($)
-Fundraiser at the summer home of Lynn Forester de Rothschild in Martha's Vineyard, MA. ($)

Sun. August 21, 2016
-"Summer Celebration with Hillary" fundraiser with Cher at Pilgrim Monument in Provincetown, MA. ($)
-Dinner fundraising receptionat the home of Elaine and Gerald Schuster - he is president of Continental Wingate Company Inc. - in Osterville, MA. (on Cape Cod). ($)

Mon. August 22, 2016 ...nine fundraisers over three days in California
-Tapes "Jimmy Kimmel Live."
-Cocktail reception fundraiser at the home of Magic Johnson and wife Cookie in Beverly Hills, CA. ($)
-"Evening with Hillary" fundraising dinner at the home of Haim Saban and wife Cheryl in Beverly Hills, CA. ($)

Tues. August 23, 2016
-Luncheon fundraiser at the home of Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel in Hollywood Hills, CA. ($) (Originally scheduled to be held at the home of Leonardo DiCaprio, but as reported by People magazine on August 20, "Leo is stuck in New York until Wednesday."
-"Conversation with Hillary” fundraiser at the Montage resort in Laguna Beach, CA. ($)
-Fundraiser hosted by Diamond Resorts CEO Stephen Cloobeck, his wife Chantal at their home in Laguna Beach, CA. ($)
-"Dinner and a Conversation with Hillary" at the home of Quinn Delaney and Wayne Jordan, co-founders of the Akonadi Foundation, in Piedmont, CA. ($)
[Also today Clinton hosted a tele-town hall with small business owners (+)].

Wed. August 24, 2016
-Fundraising luncheon hosted by Amy Rao, CEO of Integrative Archive Systems, at the Sofitel in Redwood City, CA. ($)
-Fundraising reception hosted by Apple CEO Tim Cook and Apple VP and former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson at the home of Lisa and Patrice Gauthier in Los Altos, CA. ($)
-Fundraiser hosted by Laurene Powell Jobs, Steve Jobs' widow, at her home in Woodside, CA. ($)

Thurs. August 25, 2016
-Speech on "the dangers of Trump's divisive 'alt-right' candidacy" in the Red Mountain Building Student Center at Truckee Meadows Community College in Reno, NV (+).
Unannounced stop, orders a "nitro cold brew" at Hub Coffee in Reno, NV,

Fri. August 26, 2016
-no info.

Sat. August 27, 2016
-Receives first national security briefing from representatives of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence at the FBI field office in White Plains, NY.
Returns to home in Chappaqua.

Sun. August 28, 2016 ...seven fundraisers over three days in the Hamptons
-"Family Garden Party" fundraiser hosted by philanthropist Barbaralee Diamonstein-Spielvogel and husband Carl, in Sag Harbor, NY. ($)
-Cocktail reception fundraiser at the home of Marcia Ricklis in Southampton. ($)
-Fundraising dinner at the home of New York Giants co-owner Jonathan Tisch in Bridgehampton, NY. ($)

Mon. August 29, 2016
-Fundraising event at the home of Karen and Charles Phillips, CEO of Infor Global Solutions, in East Hampton, NY. ($)
-Fundraising dinner hosted by Jeff and Randi Levine - he is a developer and president of the Jewish National Fund - in Quogue, NY. ($)
[Also today Clinton did a phone call with the mental health policy community (+)].

Tues. August 30, 2016
-Cocktail fundraiser at the home of conductor Jonathan Sheffer at his home in Sagaponack, NY. ($)
-Fundraiser at Jimmy Buffett's home in North Haven, NY. ($)

Wed. August 31, 2016
-Addresses The American Legion’s 96th National Convention in Cincinnati, OH (+).

[liskddksil]

115. Yes many other factors were at play, Comey, Russia etc.

but her campaign strategy was not without significant flaws which have been written about extensively. To your post:

August Schedule - You proved my point that she mostly did closed-off fundraising events that August while Trump was doing rallies almost every night.

- Yes, Hillary Clinton showed up quite a few times in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Problem was Pennsylvania is a large state and she didn't show up in many other places in the General election campaign. Just as is in Wisconsin and Michigan when you don't show up things are not going to turn out well.

[George II]

118. You said she spent the whole month of August attending fundraisers - that was entirely false.....

....she campaigned on 16 of the 31 days of August (that's more than half) and four days have no data!

There are two main population centers in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. She campaigned in both of them in August. Not only that, but the campaign wasn't confined just to August, it continued on into September, October, and November.

You're trying to prove something that simply isn't true. Facts are facts.

[lapucelle]

120. Do you have data in support of your claim?

What if Hillary Clinton Had Gone to Wisconsin?
Presidential Campaign Visits and Vote Choice in the 2016 Election

Christopher J. Devine
Assistant Professor of Political Science
University of Dayton

https://ecommons.udayton.edu/pol_fac_pub/116/
https://ecommons.udayton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1115&context=pol_fac_pub

What makes you think that HRC "did not show up" in Michigan during the general election campaign?

[Hillary Clinton] also noted that in Michigan, she had about 140 more staffers on the ground than Obama in 2012, spent 166% more on TV ads, and made seven visits during the general election campaign.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin-what-happened-2017-9

[George II]

121. Followup regarding Pennsylvania. Here's a population map of the state:

Look at the deep red areas - PITTSBURGH and PHILADELPHIA!! Maybe she should have spent more time in Altoona?

[betsuni]

129. From "Identity Crisis, The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America":

"Candidate appearances in towns or counties often have small and temporary effects on poll numbers -- and thus an uncertain impact on vote share. ... Setting aside time on Hillary Clinton's itinerary for speeches or glad-handing in Macomb County was arguably unlikely to make much difference.

"To these critics, the Clinton campaign needed to be sending volunteers door to door to persuade people face to face. ... But these tactics really are often ineffective and inefficient. Multiple experiments show that face-to-face contact has little persuasive effect in presidential general elections. This buttresses the view of a least one Clinton campaign aide who said, 'Imagine you're on the ground and you're sent to suburban white voters to persuade them to support Hilary Clinton. Imagine what that experience would have been like and how many households you could really change.' Indeed, attempts at face-to-face persuasion can even backfire. One study of the 2008 Obama campaign -- which was routinely praised for the efficacy of its field organization -- found that a face-to-face persuasion experiment in Wisconsin may have reduced support for Obama. For those reason, Clinton may have won more votes by focusing on mobilizing core Democratic voters, perhaps in black communities near Detroit, than on persuading white voters in Macomb County.

"What can be said is this: the Clinton campaign's advantages in advertising and field organization appeared to help her win votes at levels typical of recent presidential elections."

There's no proof more rallies would or wouldn't have made a difference.

[betsuni]

117. Thank you so much for posting this, George.

#WhatAboutHillary lies are stupid. She had pneumonia in August, too, didn't she?

[George II]

119. I'm just SO tired of people bashing Democrats for "not doing anything" when they did more....

....than most candidates and more than many will admit. They always harken back to "she did ritzy fundraisers", like she got the money herself. HOW ARE CAMPAIGNS FINANCED? Via fundraisers. It's as simple as that.

[betsuni]

124. Same old stuff.

Fundraising with wealthy elites = corruption because NOT GRASSROOTS
Flawed candidate
She must earn my vote
The idea that if Hillary just did more rallies in Wisconsin and Michigan everything would be different (there was no surge in votes for Trump, he got about the same number of votes in Wisconsin that Romney did) and she rallied and spent a lot on advertising in Pennsylvania and still lost.
Taking the deplorable comment out of context, and that that one word made people vote for Trump
Accusing Democrats of not doing anything and ignoring working class/middle class
9/11 stumble as ... what I don't know

[Thekaspervote]

47. Her term deplorables was not what put the dotard back in the race. She won fair and

Square and the country knows that.

Not to mention, there are going to be “gaffes... things” regardless of whom the nominee is that are going to be twisted into something that doesn’t faintly resemble the truth. It depends on the day and his pea sized brain as to what comes out of his mouth. I’m sure all of our candidates are aware of this and if become the nominee, will handle it successfully and with great skill.

[treestar]

62. Plus Biden's words will be scrutinized even more

because of his reputation for it.

[Thekaspervote]

69. Yes, they will. IMHO Mr. Biden is being judged (as should be with all our candidates) by his high

Moral character, political know how, foreign relations experience, his likability and for him alone his tenure with our great president ....Obama.

And has been exonerated for his gaffes by the like of John Lewis, Jim Clyburn, Nancy Pelosi and others

[George II]

107. Wrong, she went right on the campaign trail a few days after the end of the Convention on July 28.

[in2herbs]

91. I seem to remember Romney tried that (took time off to vacay on his boat) when he ran against Obama.

Didn't turn out well for him.

[lapucelle]

123. Where did you read that the Democratic candidate took a "vacay" on a boat in August 2016?

Where did you read that she took a "vacay" anywhere?

Campaign appearances are in bold. As for fundraisers, do you think national campaigns are cheap?

Details
Mon. August 1, 2016
-Campaigns at Omaha North High Magnet School in Omaha, NE (+).
-Fundraiser hosted by Warren Buffett's daughter Susie at her home in Fairacres, Omaha, NE. ($)

Tues. August 2, 2016
-Fundraising dinner with Bill Clinton hosted by Charif Souki, founder of Cheniere Energy, at Aspen Valley Ranch in Woody Creek, CO. $)

Wed. August 3, 2016
-Visits The Knotty Tie Co. in Denver, CO (+).
-Campaigns at Adams City High School in Commerce City, CO (+).
-Fundraiser in Littleton, CO. ($)
-Fundraiser at the home of Charlie and Cantey Ergen, billionaire co-founders of Dish Network, in Bow Mar, CO. ($)

Thurs. August 4, 2016
-Tours Mojave Electric Co LLC in Las Vegas, NV (+).
-Hosts a rally at IBEW Local 357 in Las Vegas, NV (+).

Fri. August 5, 2016
-Addresses 2016 National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) and National Association of Hispanic Journalists (NAHJ) joint convention at the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington, DC (+).

Sat. August 6, 2016
-no info.

Sun. August 7, 2016
-

Mon. August 8, 2016
-Tours 3 Daughters Brewing in St. Petersburg, FL (+).
-Jobs rally at The Coliseum in St. Petersburg, FL (+).
-Jobs ralliy in Exhibition Hall at Osceola Heritage Park in Kissimmee, FL (+).

Tues. August 9, 2016
-Tours Borinquen Health Care Center in Miami, FL (+).
Stops at Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz's campaign field office and speaks to a group of the congresswoman's volunteers and supporters, in Davie (Broward Co.), FL.
Two fundraising events in Miami Beach, FL:
-The first, larger one, at the home of Dr. Bruce Carter, drew about 100 attendees donating at least $2,700. ($)
-The second, hosted by Alfonso "Alfy" Fanjul and Paul Cejas, drew about 30 people, each of whom gave at least $50,000. ($)

Wed. August 10, 2016
-Tours and remarks at RAYGUN in Des Moines, IA (+).
-Rally at Lincoln High School in Des Moines, IA (+).
-Fundraiser at the home of Ethan and Gretchen Davidson, he is son of former Pistons owner William Davidson, in Birmingham, suburb of Detroit, MI. ($)

Thurs. August 11, 2016
-Speech on working families at Futuramic Tool and Engineering in Warren, MI (+).
-Evening fundraiser at The Chicago Club in Chicago, IL. ($)

Fri. August 12, 2016
-no info.

Sat. August 13, 2016
-no info.

Sun. August 14, 2016
-

Mon. August 15, 2016
HRC greeted Vice President Joe Biden as he came off Air Force Two. They motorcaded to Riverfront Sports for the rally.
-Campaigns with Vice President Joe Biden at Riverfront Sports in Scranton, PA (+). (rescheduled from July 8)
-Pool: "VPOTUS and Clinton spent about an hour at the home of Virginia and Bob McGregor, who'd set a big white tent up in their backyard." ($)
They drove to Biden's childhood home at 2446 North Washington, toured the house and did some photos.
Finally, they motorcaded back to the airport.
-Fundraising dinner at the Conyers Farm estate of Richard and Ellen Schapps Richman in Greenwich, CT. ($)

Tues. August 16, 2016
-Voter registration event at West Philadelphia High School in Philadelphia, PA (+).

Wed. August 17, 2016
-Tours then delivers remarks at a tax fairness event at John Marshall High School in Cleveland, OH (+).
Meets with Paul McCartney at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, OH, where he is later performing a concert.
-FOX 8 Cleveland reported that in addition to the rally and the meeting with McCartney "Clinton has a fundraiser in the area." ($)

Thurs. August 18, 2016
-Roundtable discussion with eight law enforceement leaders at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, NY (+).

Fri. August 19, 2016
Hillary and Bill Clinton have dinner on Martha's Vineyard to celebrate his 70th birthday, per an aide.

Sat. August 20, 2016 ...five fundraisers in Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod
-Fundraiser at the home of former ambassador to Portugal Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, on Eel Point in Nantucket, MA. ($)
-Fundraiser at the home of Carol and Frank Biondi, former Viacom and Universal Studios CEO, in Edgartown (Martha's Vineyard), MA. ($)
-Fundraiser at the summer home of Lynn Forester de Rothschild in Martha's Vineyard, MA. ($)

Sun. August 21, 2016
-"Summer Celebration with Hillary" fundraiser with Cher at Pilgrim Monument in Provincetown, MA. ($)
-Dinner fundraising receptionat the home of Elaine and Gerald Schuster - he is president of Continental Wingate Company Inc. - in Osterville, MA. (on Cape Cod). ($)

Mon. August 22, 2016 ...nine fundraisers over three days in California
-Tapes "Jimmy Kimmel Live."
-Cocktail reception fundraiser at the home of Magic Johnson and wife Cookie in Beverly Hills, CA. ($)
-"Evening with Hillary" fundraising dinner at the home of Haim Saban and wife Cheryl in Beverly Hills, CA. ($)

Tues. August 23, 2016
-Luncheon fundraiser at the home of Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel in Hollywood Hills, CA. ($) (Originally scheduled to be held at the home of Leonardo DiCaprio, but as reported by People magazine on August 20, "Leo is stuck in New York until Wednesday."
-"Conversation with Hillary” fundraiser at the Montage resort in Laguna Beach, CA. ($)
-Fundraiser hosted by Diamond Resorts CEO Stephen Cloobeck, his wife Chantal at their home in Laguna Beach, CA. ($)
-"Dinner and a Conversation with Hillary" at the home of Quinn Delaney and Wayne Jordan, co-founders of the Akonadi Foundation, in Piedmont, CA. ($)
[Also today Clinton hosted a tele-town hall with small business owners (+)].

Wed. August 24, 2016
-Fundraising luncheon hosted by Amy Rao, CEO of Integrative Archive Systems, at the Sofitel in Redwood City, CA. ($)
-Fundraising reception hosted by Apple CEO Tim Cook and Apple VP and former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson at the home of Lisa and Patrice Gauthier in Los Altos, CA. ($)
-Fundraiser hosted by Laurene Powell Jobs, Steve Jobs' widow, at her home in Woodside, CA. ($)

Thurs. August 25, 2016
-Speech on "the dangers of Trump's divisive 'alt-right' candidacy" in the Red Mountain Building Student Center at Truckee Meadows Community College in Reno, NV (+).
Unannounced stop, orders a "nitro cold brew" at Hub Coffee in Reno, NV,

Fri. August 26, 2016
-no info.

Sat. August 27, 2016
-Receives first national security briefing from representatives of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence at the FBI field office in White Plains, NY.
Returns to home in Chappaqua.

Sun. August 28, 2016 ...seven fundraisers over three days in the Hamptons
-"Family Garden Party" fundraiser hosted by philanthropist Barbaralee Diamonstein-Spielvogel and husband Carl, in Sag Harbor, NY. ($)
-Cocktail reception fundraiser at the home of Marcia Ricklis in Southampton. ($)
-Fundraising dinner at the home of New York Giants co-owner Jonathan Tisch in Bridgehampton, NY. ($)

Mon. August 29, 2016
-Fundraising event at the home of Karen and Charles Phillips, CEO of Infor Global Solutions, in East Hampton, NY. ($)
-Fundraising dinner hosted by Jeff and Randi Levine - he is a developer and president of the Jewish National Fund - in Quogue, NY. ($)
[Also today Clinton did a phone call with the mental health policy community (+)].

Tues. August 30, 2016
-Cocktail fundraiser at the home of conductor Jonathan Sheffer at his home in Sagaponack, NY. ($)
-Fundraiser at Jimmy Buffett's home in North Haven, NY. ($)

Wed. August 31, 2016
-Addresses The American Legion’s 96th National Convention in Cincinnati, OH (+).

[NYC Liberal]

16. Dukakis had a 17-point lead a few months before the election in 1988.

[Thekaspervote]

28. No where in the post does it say he was vacationing because he was tired

[SouthernProgressive]

10. Bernie Sanders took a vacation to the Vatican during the 2016 primary.

He was accompanied by his wife, four of his children, and four of his grandchildren.

It's not all that uncommon for people to vacation during a campaign that will last over a year.

[Autumn]

15. He attended a conference there and gave a speech, and his trip to Rome lasted 24 hours.

Yes, his family attended, He didn't go home for a week vacation. I also don't remember Bernie making gaffes when he gets tired and people suggesting he campaign less.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-roman-holiday-222048

[SouthernProgressive]

17. I simply laugh at the "gaffe" people.

It's hilarious to see it being pushed. People know it's bullshit and it just endears people to Biden even more.

I hope Sanders and nine members of his family had fun at the Vatican.

The corporate media is simply leading some around by their nose. It seems way too easy for them. Meanwhile they are making Biden even more likable by getting these people to fall for their insane and pathetic hits on Biden.

Biden thanks you for your support.

[Thekaspervote]

25. yes indeed. .Whacking away at mr. Biden has not shown to be a + strategy

Thx for the post... you are absolutely correct.

[SouthernProgressive]

32. You seem to support him in a very stealthy manner.

Promoting some of the more questionable attacks against him which along with his excellent positions are helping to endear people to him. It is well known this is a real phenomenon with Biden. It's no longer a secret. It's proven out. Much appreciated.

[Thekaspervote]

52. Thx for that southernprogressive!

I hope you will read my post below #33. Leaders and famous individuals that stuttered

[treestar]

76. and they aren't because he is tired

Biden has been known for this since a time when he was quite a bit younger.

[aka-chmeee]

101. All this concern and hand wringing over some honest mis-speaks

and doesn't appear that anyone gives a FFOARD when Trump makes multiple daily flat out self serving lies.

[LanternWaste]

23. Possibly the same candidates who were in first place prior to even announcing a candidacy.

"How many other candidates take a week vacation during the primaries?"

Possibly the same candidates who were in a strong and resounding first place prior to even announcing a candidacy.

[Autumn]

31. In other words Joe Biden. He will eventually have to be his self, that why the gaffes.

He can't ride Obama's legacy all through the campaign. How did that time off for a candidate work last time? Not too good.

[Thekaspervote]

54. Meh

[treestar]

55. Why can't they take a vacation this early?

What is wrong with vacations?

Dotard is on vacation every day.

[NYMinute]

85. Many do

Some even go to the Vatican on a chartered jet with the whole extended family (at donors' expense) and try to ambush the pope when he has categorically refused a meeting.

[George II]

110. He's not taking a week off, and it certainly isn't "during" the primaries, which don't even start...

....for six more months.

When he takes a week off after February 3 2020, let us know.

Thanks!

[snowybirdie]

7. And those allies

Are? Whooooo,so glad The Hill is on top of things and thanks for telling us.

[brooklynite]

8. I was listening to Paul Begala on the HACKS ON TAP podcast...

His view is that Biden should "own" his verbal stumbles as part of his personality. GWB mangled language all the time, and it didn't scare off voters.

[thesquanderer]

20. That's an interesting take on it, worth thinking about. (n/t)

[loyalsister]

136. And I thought nominating and electing W

Revealed terribly low standards. I have always thought if Dems as having higher expectations of presidential candidates. The party of Clinton, Obama, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton surely will have high expectations for the verbal presentation of our next candidate. I hope so, anyway.

[elocs]

11. Is Biden incapable of learning to control what comes out of his mouth?

If Biden wins the nomination, Trump will be merciless in mocking and belittling him for his gaffes, as hypocritical as that may be.
Trump will personally attack Biden, even more than now, and then he will turn of Biden's family both living and dead just to provoke him.

But rather than scaling back Biden's events they should work with him to think before he speaks and keep him out there. Personally, I think the
"oh well, that's just the way Joe is" is a bunch of crap. If Biden can overcome his stutter he can overcome his gaffes as well.

[thesquanderer]

19. What does one thing have to do with the other?

If Biden can overcome his stutter he can overcome his gaffes as well.

And Michael Jordan figured, if he could play pro level basketball, he could play pro level baseball as well. And thos two probably had more in common than stuttering and gaffes.

[Thekaspervote]

33. As a health professional that once worked with those that stutter, the 2 are sometimes connected

Their brain works faster than the average individual, so yes gaffes and stutters can be related

One of England’s most beloved and effective kings, King George the VI stuttered. He lead England thru WWII, and his stuttering and sometimes gaffes were never frowned upon or whispered about by the English people. As king he never faltered, gave innumerable speeches that were sometimes slow, gaffes included, but every English citizen KNEW he was their leader and best supporter.

When he died in 1952 after a short but exemplary rein the country was bereft for their king

Other very famous successful people that stuttered: tiger woods, Julia Roberts, Tim Gunn, Eric Roberts, Emily Blunt

[elocs]

43. In that case it should help to think twice, speak once,

and be more deliberate in what you say.
How could that not help?

[Thekaspervote]

65. It has nothing to do with how you are framing it... seriously

It should in no way frame a person’s personality or his abilities.

To frame it that way is not a lot different than when dotard got up and decided to make fun of a disabled individual that stuttered.

“We are all disabled in one way or another.” Dr JimTaylor. Univ of San Fran.

[elocs]

35. Pretty simple, it's about determination to overcome a personal problem.

Unless you believe that Biden's gaffes are just no problem and just a quaint part of his personality.

[Thekaspervote]

41. IMHO that kind of personal determination is a quality to be envied

[thesquanderer]

79. I believe it is extremely hard to stop yourself from doing something when...

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...you don't realize you've done it until later.

[elocs]

104. I see you are new here, so welcome, but you will find here at DU

that there are Progressives and those on the far Left who demand a purity test and perfection in regards to their point of view to gain their support.
Democrats, even those who have voted for Democratic candidates for decades, who are moderate or even, gasp!, conservatives routine get put-down as being "DINOs" or even "Republican Lite".

Biden doesn't need to be a great public speaker, but he should be able to be an accurate one.

[BlueWI]

125. How dare the left have opinions

like opposing wars of choice, wanting universal health care, a Green New Deal, or an infrastructure bill of significant scope.

Shut up and vote for us - what a motivating message for the team!

And you say it's the left that demands a purity test? Wrong again. If you criticize Biden, who is not the nominee and is tied with John Hickenlooper right now in the delegate count, posters come out of the woods demanding purity and cessation of all criticism unless it's directed at Harris, Booker, Warren or of course Sanders.

Democrats in real world are a big tent party. Too bad that spirit isn't upheld more often on this primary forum.

[Skya Rhen]

105. Welcome to DU! Many of us, here, feel as you do and we appreciate your voice of reason...

[liskddksil]

22. And this is supposed to be the safe choice? smh nt

[dalton99a]

27. NEXT: Concerned Allies Urge Biden to Drop Out

Right Fucking Now!!!

[33taw]

30. We need to hammer Trump not our candidates. Joe Biden can handle the presidency, period.

[elocs]

37. If Biden can't handle and address these problems now, Trump won't give him a pass.

This is not the time to run and hide.

[R B Garr]

44. Wrong. Trump has been on the war path towards Warren

saying he attacked her too soon and now she’s recovered so he’s going to start calling her Pocahontas again. That makes sense to him. His petty juvenile names are just that, petty and juvenile. “Handling and addressing” — what does that even mean. Biden is getting sniped at by Democrats doing Trump’s work for him.

[33taw]

46. Trump will hammer everyone about something. I won't follow his lead.

Trump will attack Beto for taping his dental exam, Warren for her ethnicity, Bernie for flailing, Buttigieg for looking like Alfred E Newman, Harris for every case tried in California, Hickenlooper for his shoes, Marianne Williamson for appearing Flakey (she’s not).... trump is the target, not dem candidates.

[Skya Rhen]

49. Who's hiding?

[emmaverybo]

58. He's handling them fine. He does not have to address what he's gaslighted for. Will just lead to

more gaslighting. Trump is not giving any nominee a pass.

[treestar]

59. Who is Trump to get to decide who gets a pass?

Trump needs a pass for every second of his life.

We need to chide the media to be fair.

Every time they start up on a Joe gaffe, do a whataboutism for Trump.

[Demsrule86]

114. It is fake bullshit made up .... nothing to handle and folks get it based on polls...I am convinced

Biden will be the nominee...and will destroy Trump...and those who are perpetrating this shit who pretend to be on our side...should stop.

[jalan48]

42. If Biden is the nominee we will see non-stop ads of his "gaffes" while the media will allow Trump to

act as crazy as he wants to with little mention of his mental state.

[Grasswire2]

45. EXACTLY

When Joe takes a riff into fantasy-land exposing a palette of mental illnesses and a vacant desert where knowledge of the job should be, wake me up.

This is as ridiculous as the way Al Gore was treated.

[dalton99a]

51. Without a doubt.

[33taw]

53. We will see that regardless of who the nominee is.

[jalan48]

63. I think the gaffe thing will be specific to Biden. No doubt there will be a different approach

if it's another candidate.

[Thekaspervote]

67. Yup!

[Demsrule86]

116. And that will happen no matter who is the nominee.

[treestar]

56. Not good at all

Find a way to quit gaffing!

The one about the white kids was very bad.

[thesquanderer]

98. This is nothing new. We've known all along that he is gaffe prone. Either we're ok with that...

...or we're not. It's not going to change.

Biden himself knows it.

from https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/joe-biden-most-qualified-person-president-2020/index.html

The moderator, Bruce Feiler, pointed out some of the potential liabilities of a Biden campaign, saying "He's too old. He signed, he cosponsored the crime bill. He was the chairman of the judiciary committee during the Anita Hill hearings...You're a gaffe machine. I could go on. Which of these scares you the most?"

"None of them," Biden said before moving on to defend some of those potential liabilities.

"I am a gaffe machine, but my God what a wonderful thing compared to a guy who can't tell the truth," he said.

[Dream Girl]

57. Russia in action.

Don’t engage in this bullshit.

[Princetonian]

64. It has been said before but The Hill is owned by a Chumpanzee.

Nice hit piece though... timed for release when Joe is on vacation and he and his campaîgn can't respond without looking defensive.

Thanks for bringing unfounded anonymous rumors here. Really.

[ehrnst]

78. Well, Krystal Ball of The Hill is certainly getting LOTS of play here on DU...

Perhaps you might want to tell them about the Chumpanzee connection?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287239738

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12962916#post1

[brooklynite]

86. So you're saying the article is false?

Some proof would be nice.

[Princetonian]

88. "Some proof would be nice" that it is true. It's a hit piece with anonymous sources.

That's my take. Your mileage may differ.

[Hoyt]

80. Would be disappointed if he cut back appearances for any reason.

Christ. He’s running for Prez.

[loyalsister]

137. The presidency won't wait

The schedule is 24/7. It won't slow down for anyone. If they take any kind of vacation they are still basically "on call" and have to get back to the job at a moment's notice. And may then have to be operating at full capacity to make consequential decisions.

[NYMinute]

87. Biden's so called "gaffes" are endearing

and not gaffes at all except in the minds of Sirota and his buddies in the media.

[Princetonian]

89. Your candidate has a habit of making them too and he's relatively young.

Search "O'Rourke gaffes" and you'll see that the media and "allies" has been quite forgiving.

[NYMinute]

92. It works like this

1. Centrist candidates state an electorally popular viewpoint.
2. Some ultra left group gets pissed and calls it a gaffe.
3. Media runs with the story aided by the likes of David Sirota et al.

For example -- "people should stand in line for a green card and not jump above people who have been waiting for years" is a sensible and politically popular position. Some ultra extreme immigrant rights group complains and suddenly it becomes a "gaffe."

[Skya Rhen]

95. +1,000,000

[emmaverybo]

102. Nailed it! NT

[Mike 03]

96. Not a good idea.

If he cuts back on appearances we'll start hearing the talking point that he's being annointed. The anchors will say he's not working hard enough for the presidency. They'll also say he's restricting his public appearances out of a fear that he will make gaffes, which is worse than just making gaffes. Some of them, as another poster said, are endearing.

I really hope Biden does not become too self-conscious. He has so much heartfelt sincerity I don't want him to start freezing up at appearances or avoiding them.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

122. This is disqualifying

[George II]

128. bwahahahahaha!!!!

[GulfCoast66]

130. Some are saying...

Give me a break.

All that is baked into the cake with Joe.

He just keeps chugging along, going after our real opponents while virtually ignoring those biting at his heels.

Seems to be working so far. Will it till next summer? Time will tell.

[MineralMan]

131. Which allies? The author never names a single person.

Building an entire article based on unnamed sources is about as weak as journalism gets. Whenever you see a story that makes such references, it's wise to discount most of what is being said.

[cwydro]

132. I was going to ask that too, but since you did first, I'll just say ditto.

Odd no one is named, isn’t it?

[MineralMan]

134. Well, here's a Wikipedia article about a book by that author:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shattered:_Inside_Hillary_Clinton%27s_Doomed_Campaign

Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign

by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes

Political journalism has changed in the past 20 years. Many political journalists are dedicated to influencing elections, rather than just reporting on them. I think that's unfortunate.

[cwydro]

135. Ah, interesting.

Thanks for that info.

[LongtimeAZDem]

133. Sounds like BS to me.

[MineralMan]

138. What does Bernie Sanders have to do with this?

[ucrdem]

139. Many livelihoods depend on Joe's gaffes. Please think of the children!

[myohmy2]

140. you see...

...this is what I mean...Joe's a nice guy and all but he keeps fucking up...

...trump will take all those fuck-ups and beat Joe like a drum with them...

...we need someone to go up against trump who's truly trump-proof...

...we need Bernie...

...