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Related: About this forumBeto O'Rourke's secret membership in America's oldest hacking group
ReutersOne thing you didnt know: While a teenager, ORourke acknowledged in an exclusive interview, he belonged to the oldest group of computer hackers in U.S. history.
The hugely influential Cult of the Dead Cow, jokingly named after an abandoned Texas slaughterhouse, is notorious for releasing tools that allowed ordinary people to hack computers running Microsofts Windows. Its also known for inventing the word hacktivism to describe human-rights-driven security work.
Members of the group have protected ORourkes secret for decades, reluctant to compromise his political viability. Now, in a series of interviews, CDC members have acknowledged ORourke as one of their own. In all, more than a dozen members of the group agreed to be named for the first time in a book about the hacking group by this reporter that is scheduled to be published in June by Public Affairs. ORourke was interviewed early in his run for the Senate.
There is no indication that ORourke ever engaged in the edgiest sorts of hacking activity, such as breaking into computers or writing code that enabled others to do so. But his membership in the group could explain his approach to politics better than anything on his resume. His background in hacking circles has repeatedly informed his strategy as he explored and subverted established procedures in technology, the media and government.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)might have had an FBI visit...it shows curiosity.
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blogslut
(37,999 posts)I'm cool with it
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)There wasnt really a whitehat / black hat back then. Hacking meant writing small smart programs.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Hacking has always meant unauthorized access; the intent didn't have to be sinister, but it was all about defeating security. Before the internet, it was mainframes.
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)While this term originally referred to a clever or expert programmer, it is now more commonly used to refer to someone who can gain unauthorized access to other computers.
https://techterms.com/definition/hacker
cf Hacking has always meant unauthorized access;
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Ill take your word on it
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)over 30 commands including "Attempt Corbomite Maneuver" (the Klingons never fell for it). Hacking was considered an offense meriting expulsion, but we were teenagers.
The term goes at least back to the early '60s, when phone systems were the most vulnerable targets:
"Many telephone services have been curtailed because of so-called hackers, according to Professor Carleton Tucker, administrator of the Institute telephone system. [...] The students have accomplished such things as tying up all the tie-lines between Harvard and MIT, or making long-distance calls by charging them to a local radar installation. One method involved connecting the PDP-1 computer to the phone system to search the lines until a dial tone, indicating an outside line, was found."
"In addition to being an interesting bit of phone phreak history, this is the first published use of the word "hacker" (used in its modern sense) that I'm aware of."
https://blog.historyofphonephreaking.org/2013/09/document-of-the-week-telephone-hackers-active.html
Over time, as computers became mainstream, everyone wanted to be thought of as a hacker, and the newer use evolved, to the point where nowadays everyone calls purportedly clever ideas "hacks".
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sfwriter
(3,032 posts)It was only vilified in the 1980s. Steven Levy wrote the best history of the term through that period.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)The first known mention of computer hacking occurred in a 1963 issue of The Tech.
http://tech.mit.edu/V83/PDF/V83-N24.pdf
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sfwriter
(3,032 posts)The MIT administration had every reason to dislike the hackers by 1963, but they owed them a lot as well. Hack and hacker predate that story by 8 years. By that time, the term had been popularized by Peter Samson, Alan Kotok, Jack Dennis, and Bob Saunders with the Tech Model Railroad Club starting around 1955. Their layout is massive and they wired all kinds of things into it over the years, including industrial automation and a control panel from the Apollo guidance computer. These innovative solutions became known as hacks.
When this core and others became interested in the schools IBM 704, the ingrained culture of "hacking" moved with them. But alas, the lads were denied meaningful 704 access. When Lincoln Laboratories loaned MIT a TX-0, the hackers took to hanging out late at night to use the slots of students who failed to show up. They built out the TX-0, including a phone connection which brought them into phone phreaking.
By now, they had an ethos that could only be born in an academic institution where consequences were scant. Typically, this included: We're here to make new knowledge. This must be done atop existing knowledge. Therefore, all knowledge must be free. Anything that prevents the acquisition of knowledge is bad.
An ethos that works one way within the institution is different outside it. Again, Steven Levy is your gold standard, and the evolution of hacker is an interesting story reflecting multiple cultures.
This article is pretty good:
https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/a-short-history-of-hack
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)The Cult of the Dead Cow was legendary - the smartest guys online (before there was an online). Beto ran a cyberpunk BBS. Major cred.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)smart folks doing it.
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sfwriter
(3,032 posts)I built and sold a red box in those bygone days.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Stated down in the article is this re-copied for emphasis:
This article is NOT investigative journalism but merely discussing what a new BOOK is saying, heavily weighed with negativisms chosen by the author and innuendo created by the author. After the quote above, comes this for instance: "An ex-hacker running for national office would have been unimaginable just a few years ago."
So far, it still is.
Btw, the part of his history that the article brushes off as "software entrepreneur" is a successful IT company he started in the late 1990s, Stanton Street Technology Group, which is still going today, 20 years later.
Well, whoever the people behind this, they must be taking Beto's candidacy seriously.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,600 posts)(emphasis added)
Under Texas law, stealing long-distance service worth less than $1,500 is a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine. More than that is a felony, and could result in jail time. It is unclear whether ORourke topped that threshold. In any event, the state bars prosecution of the offense for those under 17, as ORourke was for most of his active time in the group, and the statute of limitations is five years. Two Cult of the Dead Cow contemporaries in Texas who were caught misusing calling cards as minors got off with warnings.
So he can't be prosecuted but it is an admission of illegal activity as a minor. At least he isn't saying "but I didn't inhale".
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Carrie Campbell, 16 years old, living in California.
ORourke befriended a 16-year-old California girl who was a regular on TacoLand, and he put her up for membership in the CDC. With Wheelers approval, she got in, making the CDC one of a very few hacker groups of the time that werent all-male.
I joined happily, honored, and proceeded to write crappy, horrific, 16-year-old bloody t-files, Carrie Campbell wrote to friends in the group 20 years later. I loved the community of smart people (and their girlfriends) to converse with and bounce ideas off of. The acceptance of my female gender is extremely rare in the hacker scene and I appreciate it
Somehow I ended up purely by accident as the only girl in the worlds most notorious hacker group.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)It's like AOC dancing...makes me like him more.
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KayF
(1,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)they are Bernie related. I probably shouldn't have mentioned it. I hope I didn't break any rules.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Jury duty up.
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)But in my opinion (which counts for nothing) you were not interfering with anything.
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dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)but it may not play as well in Peoria.
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MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I had a tape loop of the sound of a quarter being dropped in a pay phone. It was very expensive for me, a college freshman to call my old girlfriend, but my little tape loop on a portable tape recorder could insert as many quarters as needed.
Back then, the operator listened to the sounds to count up how much money had been inserted into the pay phone. A simple system, indeed, that lent itself to hooligans like my 18 year old self to exploit.
I was a bad boy, but smart enough not to use the pay phone on my dorm floor with that tape loop.
Later, I built my own blue box, which made things even simpler.
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chillfactor
(7,575 posts)but I will stop now since you are consistency trying to beat Beto up.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)A past "hacktivist" president is something I'm cool with!
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Hassler
(3,377 posts)Case for your preferred candidate, rather to than take aim at other Dems. The Drumpfster Fire is the enemy.
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)Sounds like a big plus to me since cyberattacks are one of our biggest threats.
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Gothmog
(145,152 posts)This was still the age of bulletin-board system or BBS
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radius777
(3,635 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(145,152 posts)I like the Washington Post's explanation of this https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/15/beto-orourkes-hacking-universe-explained/?utm_term=.0b9e2d0b9d53
What ORourke was using was a bulletin-board system, or BBS, which is to the Web what going to a restaurant is to going to a food festival. A food festival thats also on Seamless.
How much of this is familiar to you will depend on how old you are. You may, for example, remember modems, little boxes attached to your computer or (in later years) built into it, into which youd plug a regular phone landline. (If you dont know what a phone landline is, which seems plausible, its the physical cord that ran phone lines into houses before cellphones became ubiquitous.) The modem converted a signal that could run over a phone line into one that a computer could recognize.
In the early days of the Internet, people used modems to connect to Internet service providers (ISPs), which would connect them to the broader Internet. But in the BBS era, modems were used to connect directly to other computers that were running software that could host small communities of users. To connect, you would actually call a specific phone number with your computer and connect to the computer hosting the BBS.
This story actually makes me like Beto more.
BTW, I still remember using something called mag cards and floppy disks to revise documents.
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Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I'm not going to link to them or mention them specifically but they don't read well and might cause Beto some problems. They apparently are from the same late '80s time frame as the hacking group. Beto was 18 years old or thereabouts.
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McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thewhollytoast
(318 posts)Whenever there is a train wreck you always seem to be there.
Toast
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coti
(4,612 posts)Could that be DU's own Swamp Rat?
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