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brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:54 PM Aug 2019

Bernie Sanders campaign's "BERN NOTICE"

BERN NOTICE: What We Cannot Discuss
Pundits freak out over the suggestion that billionaire media tycoons don't like Bernie Sanders
Aug 15 Public post

This is the first edition of Bern Notice — the digital newsletter of the Bernie 2020 campaign. Please forward this on to your friends and tell them to subscribe. The views expressed here are solely of the bylined author.


"People will think-”

“What I tell them to think!” - Charles Foster Kane

As Bernie Sanders has been rising in post-debate polls, why are elite media pundits particularly angry at him? The explosion of rage tells us a lot about what the corporate media says we can and cannot discuss — and how frightened the establishment really is.

Let’s review what happened: this week, the billionaire-owned Boston Globe and New York Times both rehashed an old media-manufactured trope pretending that Bernie Sanders doesn’t talk to people at parades and fairs (he does, a lot). This followed the Washington Post ignoring a slew of recent positive polls for Bernie and instead choosing to only publish a big story on one single bad outlier poll.

In response, Bernie suggested that maybe the reason this keeps happening is because billionaire media moguls like Jeff Bezos and others don’t particularly like his agenda that would take power away from billionaires and corporations.

Vox pointed out that yes, Bernie “has some legitimate complaints. Media outlets do seem to be looking for signs of weakness — there’s more coverage of a sputtering campaign than one that is steadily chugging along in second place nationally (the latter is closer to the truth).”

And yet, Bernie’s comments about media ownership touched off a full freak out by — shocker! — the Washington pundits who are paid by the corporations and billionaires who own the media.

Meet the Press called Bernie’s comments an “attack” on the free press and CNN pundit Chris Cillizza called his comments “ridiculous”. MSNBC’s disgraced anchorman Brian Williams went even further — approvingly reading an anonymous Twitter troll’s anti-Bernie lie on national television, even though the lie had already been thoroughly debunked.

The bizarre part of all these overwrought responses is that, until now, it hasn’t been particularly controversial to suggest that media ownership can influence media coverage. The FCC previously had rules in place — supported by one Bernie Sanders — to regulate media ownership in order to try to prevent “Citizen Kane”-style tycoons from monopolizing the media, and weaponizing it against political opponents (sidenote: Donald Trump’s administration has been working to gut the remaining rules that are still on the books).

A framework of what we can discuss and what we cannot discuss”

As Bernie said -- and as research shows -- the influence of a corporate or billionaire owner on media isn’t typically heavy handed, but more often subtle.

“There is a framework of what we can discuss and what we cannot discuss,” Bernie told CNN.

Reporters don’t have to receive a call from Jeff Bezos to know that their paychecks are signed by a billionaire with a well-known personal and corporate agenda — and knowing that agenda exists can shape overall frameworks and angles of coverage.

Consider two examples.

Bernie has been the leading voice in American politics calling for billionaires and large profitable corporations to pay higher taxes. Is it really any surprise that Jeff Bezos’ newspaper published 16 stories in 16 hours denigrating the leading lawmaker pushing to make Bezos and Amazon pay more taxes?

Similarly, Bernie has led the fight to push companies like Amazon to start paying their workers a living wage. Is it really a shock that the newspaper owned by Amazon’s founder promotes a never-ending and obsessive series of editorials and debunked “fact checks” that personally vilify Bernie and demonize his agenda?

The answer is no, it isn’t surprising -- and that should be easy for everyone to understand. But as the journalist Upton Sinclair famously said: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

“Amazon Is flooding D.C. With money and muscle”

Now, if Jeff Bezos was some silent apolitical statesman, perhaps you could argue that he couldn’t possibly have any overall influence or interest in his newspaper’s coverage. But he’s the opposite — he and his company have a very clear and aggressive political agenda.

Bezos bankrolled the campaign to block lawmakers from raising taxes on billionaires, and as s Politico headline noted: “Bezos plays active role in tax fights.” More recently, Bloomberg News reported that “Amazon is flooding D.C. with money and muscle” as the company seeks to dominate Washington policymaking.

In the lead up to his company’s Washington lobbying blitz, Bezos told everyone he did not buy the Washington Post as some apolitical passive business investment. On the contrary, he publicly declared that he took an interest in it because of its power in our democracy. Here’s what he said:

“I said to myself, ‘If this were a financially upside down salty snack food company, the answer would be no...But as soon as I started thinking about it that way, it was like, ‘This is an important institution.’ It is the newspaper in the capital city in the most important country in the world."

As journalist Kevin Gosztola put it: “Owning an important institution like the Washington Post, in the nation's capital city, is probably a really good investment if you're a CEO who has to routinely worry about antitrust probe being launched into your massive corporation.”

And for all the claims that Bezos has no interaction with the Washington Post, Bob Woodward recently told a health insurance lobbying group that he spoke with Bezos about how he makes hiring decisions. Bloomberg has also reported that “every two weeks, Bezos holds an hour-long conference call with executives at the Washington Post (and) twice a year, the managers fly to Seattle for day-long strategy sessions with the Amazon.com founder.”

“Every major news organization uses this insurance industry’s framing”

Does this all mean that corporations and billionaires control and carefully sculpt every piece of media content? No.

Does it mean Jeff Bezos is calling every single shot in his newsroom? Nope.

Does it mean Comcast’s top executive is calling producers at Comcast-owned MSNBC and telling them to destroy the opponents of the presidential candidate he is raising money for? Probably not.

Does it mean there are no good reporters managing to do excellent and honest journalism? No, of course not — great journalists are still doing great work.

But does corporate and billionaire ownership help create a general framework of coverage?

Yes, of course.

Think about it: outlets owned by Disney and Amazon’s founder probably aren’t going to consistently and aggressively cover the fight to raise Disney and Amazon workers’ wages, and they probably aren’t going to make it their core mission to honor Joseph Pulitzer’s famous demand that journalists “attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty.”

Cable TV networks bankrolled by pharmaceutical ads probably aren’t going to be super psyched about Bernie’s bill to reduce prescription drug prices.

Media conglomerates making big money off fossil fuel ads probably aren’t interested in holding fossil fuel executives accountable for their pollution — and they often do not provide adequate coverage of emergencies like climate change.

Washington pundits and reporters doing paid speaking gigs to health insurance lobbyists probably aren’t interested in giving Bernie’s widely popular Medicare for All proposal a genuinely fair hearing. Indeed, as one recent study noted, today “virtually every major news organization covering health care policy routinely uses (the) insurance industry’s framing to define Medicare for All.”

In other words, as the Hill’s Krystal Ball shows in the video below, corporate and billionaire-owned media often tilts coverage against candidates like Bernie who push a working-class agenda — an agenda threatens the political power of corporations and billionaires.

Bern after reading,

Sirota

P.S. If you want to go deeper on the Washington Post’s ideological crusade against Bernie, read this terrific 2016 Harper’s magazine report from Thomas Frank.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders campaign's "BERN NOTICE" (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2019 OP
Oh Please Me. Aug 2019 #1
That's really pretty sad. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #2
This is an extremely bad trend by Sanders and one other prominent politician. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #3
Criticizing the media is a far cry from shouting "CNN is fake news" aikoaiko Aug 2019 #62
Is there anything true in that long diatribe? For example, only the third sentence: George II Aug 2019 #4
Yeah, that's where they lost me. OhZone Aug 2019 #5
Oh... beat me to it!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #8
Not according to the A+ rated fox news poll released just now. Bernie 3/2019 23% now 10% Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #6
Yup OhZone Aug 2019 #9
The only people who are going to believe this material are sanders supporters Gothmog Aug 2019 #7
If I were a Sanders supporter and received notices like this I'd be offended. betsuni Aug 2019 #11
I agree Gothmog Aug 2019 #14
First the social media videos with Nina's game show and BrieBrie's magic cancel wand lapucelle Aug 2019 #52
I'd be embarrassed. George II Aug 2019 #21
They should save time and just email: betsuni Aug 2019 #23
I've gotten emails, sans the "you're stupid", pleading for $2.70!! As we say in NY, "go figure"! George II Aug 2019 #26
hmmmmmm? still_one Aug 2019 #29
Thanks for the 411. I won't bother reading it and wasn't inclined to. onetexan Aug 2019 #15
I have also heard sanders speak in person Gothmog Aug 2019 #16
How is he going to "take power away from billionaires and corporations"? betsuni Aug 2019 #10
Sanders is not going to get any of his proposals adopted in the real world Gothmog Aug 2019 #50
lol @ melman Aug 2019 #12
lol @ George II Aug 2019 #22
So you agree melman Aug 2019 #33
What makes you say that? George II Aug 2019 #35
,,, lapucelle Aug 2019 #51
..... ehrnst Aug 2019 #65
... lapucelle Aug 2019 #72
It is not bashing Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #25
Mahalo sheshe2 Aug 2019 #31
Your point? melman Aug 2019 #32
Just wanted to thank you for your post, melman. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #34
No melman Aug 2019 #38
Mahalo! George II Aug 2019 #39
Well. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #41
Wrong melman.. you got told. Cha Aug 2019 #43
Not sure what you're talking about melman Aug 2019 #44
Yes you are. George II Aug 2019 #46
+1000 ehrnst Aug 2019 #57
Oh boy. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #48
Lol @ ehrnst Aug 2019 #58
Mahalo !! nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #55
What WHAT? ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #63
"Personally I would never expect you to be embarrassed about anything" melman Aug 2019 #64
Your point? George II Aug 2019 #37
Are you just going to follow me around now and parrot everything I post? melman Aug 2019 #42
lol George II Aug 2019 #45
Lol @ ehrnst Aug 2019 #66
Swing and a miss melman Aug 2019 #67
Lol @ ehrnst Aug 2019 #68
Lol @ ehrnst Aug 2019 #54
From Nate Silver-sanders complaints about media coverage do not hold up Gothmog Aug 2019 #69
So, Nate Silver melman Aug 2019 #70
Discussing sanders' falling poll results is not thrashing sanders Gothmog Aug 2019 #71
Why should I trust a multi-millionaire-owned media outlet? OilemFirchen Aug 2019 #13
The media's "explosion of rage"???? From this example, it appears that it's Bernie's campaign pnwmom Aug 2019 #17
maybe Bernie & his followers oughtta take the Bern Notice seriously and throw in the towel onetexan Aug 2019 #19
And yet millions will DEMAND they be given a REASON to vote when their candidate loses Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #30
They had the GALL to report on that much celebrated, touted FIRST UNIONIZED campaign staff ehrnst Aug 2019 #56
WTF is this shit JI7 Aug 2019 #18
Please add a footnote. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #20
This was sent to me as an email brooklynite Aug 2019 #28
Perhaps you should note that. nt sheshe2 Aug 2019 #49
I love the smell of desperation in the evening nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #24
Self-pity is usually a sign of a losing campaign. NYMinute Aug 2019 #27
Citizen Kane is a work of fiction n/t emulatorloo Aug 2019 #36
Hmm: Nobody supporting Sanders has opined on this valuable report from his campaign team brooklynite Aug 2019 #40
Maybe they are a little bit busy. betsuni Aug 2019 #47
Bazinga!! NYMinute Aug 2019 #59
It is good to be able to keep oneself entertained.. The article seems about right to me. CentralMass Aug 2019 #53
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #60
This approaches the paranoid conspiracy arguments we hear from the other side LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #61
Yes it does. betsuni Aug 2019 #73
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. Oh Please
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:57 PM
Aug 2019

Does he plan on winning by complaint?

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comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
2. That's really pretty sad.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:08 PM
Aug 2019

I don't think Bernie is going to win by attacking the press. A campaign of grievance is pretty unappealing. No wonder his campaign is sinking.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
3. This is an extremely bad trend by Sanders and one other prominent politician.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:09 PM
Aug 2019

Truly a disturbing trend. Both politicians are using these attacks to deflect from their own failures but the societal implications go much further than that.

Sanders campaign reboot after the last debate was supposed to be all about M4A. Instead he has joined forces with another politician attacking the media.

Believe your eyes.

Generating complete distrust among the populace and media is a cornerstone of any authoritarian populist agenda.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
62. Criticizing the media is a far cry from shouting "CNN is fake news"
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:46 AM
Aug 2019
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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Is there anything true in that long diatribe? For example, only the third sentence:
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:15 PM
Aug 2019

"As Bernie Sanders has been rising in post-debate polls"

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OhZone

(3,212 posts)
5. Yeah, that's where they lost me.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:24 PM
Aug 2019

Starting out with a lie makes me give up.

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Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
8. Oh... beat me to it!!
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:26 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
6. Not according to the A+ rated fox news poll released just now. Bernie 3/2019 23% now 10%
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:25 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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OhZone

(3,212 posts)
9. Yup
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:33 PM
Aug 2019

We really need our candidates to be fact based. Amirite?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
7. The only people who are going to believe this material are sanders supporters
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:25 PM
Aug 2019

This newsletter will not be taken seriously by non-sanders supporters. I found the content to so bad to be amusing

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,140 posts)
11. If I were a Sanders supporter and received notices like this I'd be offended.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:44 PM
Aug 2019

Unless I was a dim-witted, self-righteous, disgruntled upper middle class teenage boy.

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
14. I agree
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:14 PM
Aug 2019

I was not impressed with this attempt at a news letter

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lapucelle

(18,042 posts)
52. First the social media videos with Nina's game show and BrieBrie's magic cancel wand
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:24 AM
Aug 2019

and now David Sirota pretending to be James Bond.

"Bern after reading"


If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
21. I'd be embarrassed.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:54 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,140 posts)
23. They should save time and just email:
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:01 PM
Aug 2019

BERN NOTICE
Hello! I think you're stupid, give me five dollars.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
26. I've gotten emails, sans the "you're stupid", pleading for $2.70!! As we say in NY, "go figure"!
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:03 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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onetexan

(12,994 posts)
15. Thanks for the 411. I won't bother reading it and wasn't inclined to.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:18 PM
Aug 2019

i've heard Bernie speak in person. Same old same old pie in the sky message.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
16. I have also heard sanders speak in person
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:24 PM
Aug 2019

I tried to avoid this amusing attempt at a news letter

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betsuni

(25,140 posts)
10. How is he going to "take power away from billionaires and corporations"?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:38 PM
Aug 2019

He keeps saying he's going to "take on" everything. It doesn't mean anything.

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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
50. Sanders is not going to get any of his proposals adopted in the real world
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:08 AM
Aug 2019

So far sanders has been unable to get any of his legislative proposals adopted in the real world

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melman

(7,681 posts)
12. lol @
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:45 PM
Aug 2019

posting something accurate and true as a means to bash. I believe the technical term for this kind of thing is "self-own"

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
33. So you agree
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:51 PM
Aug 2019

Nice to know.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. What makes you say that?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:59 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
25. It is not bashing
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:02 PM
Aug 2019

it is self-flagellation by the BS campaign

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sheshe2

(83,356 posts)
34. Just wanted to thank you for your post, melman.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:53 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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melman

(7,681 posts)
38. No
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:03 PM
Aug 2019

That's not it. You seem to think the word 'mahalo' is going to irritate me. Not really sure where you get that from.


But I suspect we're still on the "PM thing" and you think I should be embarrassed about PM'ing someone to call them on their bullshit.


Well I'm not. So sorry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,356 posts)
41. Well.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:18 PM
Aug 2019
But I suspect we're still on the "PM thing" and you think I should be embarrassed about PM'ing someone to call them on their bullshit.


Yesterday you said you had no clue what I was talking about.

Hugs and Mahalo.

2020 LETS VOTE!
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
43. Wrong melman.. you got told.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:22 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
44. Not sure what you're talking about
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:22 PM
Aug 2019

Sorry

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
63. What WHAT?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:53 PM
Aug 2019

Personally I would never expect you to be embarrassed about anything, but why PM someone to continue an argument on a discussion board?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
64. "Personally I would never expect you to be embarrassed about anything"
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:05 PM
Aug 2019

Why is that?


"but why PM someone to continue an argument on a discussion board?"


I didn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
42. Are you just going to follow me around now and parrot everything I post?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:20 PM
Aug 2019

That's nice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. lol
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:27 PM
Aug 2019

So you agree?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
67. Swing and a miss
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:22 PM
Aug 2019

The thing to do there would be to parrot the exact post.


Keep trying. You'll land one eventually.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
68. Lol @
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:23 PM
Aug 2019

Sounds like I hit one out of the park..

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
69. From Nate Silver-sanders complaints about media coverage do not hold up
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:46 PM
Aug 2019

Senator Warren has just as liberal or even more liberal platform compared to sanders and she is not being hurt in the polls or getting bad press coverage


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melman

(7,681 posts)
70. So, Nate Silver
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:57 PM
Aug 2019

a guy that constantly trashes Sanders, is saying nobody trashes Sanders. Pretty persuasive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
71. Discussing sanders' falling poll results is not thrashing sanders
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:11 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
13. Why should I trust a multi-millionaire-owned media outlet?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:48 PM
Aug 2019

Did he crib the "MSNBC’s disgraced anchorman Brian Williams" from another billionaire-owned media outlet?

Anyway, tl;ti;dr.

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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
17. The media's "explosion of rage"???? From this example, it appears that it's Bernie's campaign
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:53 PM
Aug 2019

that has a rage problem, not the media.

They probably don't like the recent polls showing Bernie losing support to Elizabeth Warren.

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onetexan

(12,994 posts)
19. maybe Bernie & his followers oughtta take the Bern Notice seriously and throw in the towel
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:52 PM
Aug 2019

i doubt it though. They were ugly all the way up to the convention nomination. And after the fact too of course. It was rather embarrassing.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
30. And yet millions will DEMAND they be given a REASON to vote when their candidate loses
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:14 PM
Aug 2019

s
i
g
h

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
56. They had the GALL to report on that much celebrated, touted FIRST UNIONIZED campaign staff
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:43 AM
Aug 2019

instead of simply quashing any story on what happened afterwards...


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sheshe2

(83,356 posts)
20. Please add a footnote.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:55 PM
Aug 2019

That you had permission to post this in it's entirety.

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Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
28. This was sent to me as an email
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:11 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,356 posts)
49. Perhaps you should note that. nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:58 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
24. I love the smell of desperation in the evening nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:01 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
27. Self-pity is usually a sign of a losing campaign.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:07 PM
Aug 2019

This will concretize BS's base further and alienate it from reality even more. There will be no chance of expanding the base beyond the devotees.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
36. Citizen Kane is a work of fiction n/t
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:59 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
40. Hmm: Nobody supporting Sanders has opined on this valuable report from his campaign team
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:15 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,140 posts)
47. Maybe they are a little bit busy.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:35 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
53. It is good to be able to keep oneself entertained.. The article seems about right to me.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:24 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to CentralMass (Reply #53)

 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
61. This approaches the paranoid conspiracy arguments we hear from the other side
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:30 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,140 posts)
73. Yes it does.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

I just finished reading a book, "Troll Nation": "That's the logic of troll nation at work. The media is the 'enemy' and so denying what the media says is paramount, no matter how true it obviously is. And the more that the media covers a true story, the more fiercely it's denied."

I'm disappointed it only discusses Republicans as the trolls and conspiracy theorists because clearly they are not the only ones.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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