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Steve Bullock: Democrats on their way to losing the Election (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2019 OP
If we don't abandon the ultra left dreams NYMinute Aug 2019 #1
Nothing like feeding a GOP narrative crazytown Aug 2019 #5
A reminder that they let other people vote in the General Election brooklynite Aug 2019 #9
' . . . they let other people vote in the General Election' . Salient point. empedocles Aug 2019 #11
Steve Bullock was signing bills and vetoing bills just days before he entered the race. GemDigger Aug 2019 #37
+10000 Celerity Aug 2019 #39
If Trump is not defeated there will be no ultra left dreams elocs Aug 2019 #6
And some persist with hope over fear crazytown Aug 2019 #8
That is self-serving IMHO NYMinute Aug 2019 #18
Almost everything politicians say is self serving, crazytown Aug 2019 #19
I'm with you! rainy Aug 2019 #33
Yet if Trump wins we won't be hearing anything from the "I am not afraid" crowd. elocs Aug 2019 #38
Important point. 51 years later, and we Dems are no where near where the level empedocles Aug 2019 #21
LBJ a pragmatist? That's laughable Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #35
You're right LBJ did say he would lose the South for a generation. However, LBJ got the legislation empedocles Aug 2019 #36
True, and Trump is angling for the "but what about the stock market" R B Garr Aug 2019 #22
Well at least Bullock is making one of his numbers go up BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #2
I believe that his polling BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #14
I doubt Bullock ever blew the roof off like this BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #16
Exactly my point! BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #17
The MT Senate election? pnwpolicy Aug 2019 #3
Exactly! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #15
I guess I better bite my tongue and still support my left leaning candidate, that turbinetree Aug 2019 #4
He is entitled to his opinion Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #7
If he believes this, why is he still running for President? LonePirate Aug 2019 #10
Hoping to shift the debate to the center? question everything Aug 2019 #13
Who running is "ultra left"? Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #20
arguably sanders, warren, gabbard, yang (nt) thesquanderer Aug 2019 #23
Right. I just wish they could have focused on the policies helpisontheway Aug 2019 #28
The anti-trump vote won the House empedocles Aug 2019 #30
His concern is noted, albeit misplaced. That concern is for himself. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #12
I wish I had a dollar for every time that was said in the 2016 election! doc03 Aug 2019 #34
On the basis that he isn't considered a contender. Run for Senate, Steve. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #24
Bullock's concerns are valid because mtnsnake Aug 2019 #25
Says The Man Who Refers To The Democrat Party Me. Aug 2019 #26
When did Bullock ever call it the Democrat Party? Celerity Aug 2019 #40
INterview On MSNBC Me. Aug 2019 #44
when and a link please, I cannot ever see him doing that unless it was a slip of the tongue Celerity Aug 2019 #45
Then Don't Me. Aug 2019 #46
So all you have is a rando smear of a great Democrat with zero proof Celerity Aug 2019 #47
If You Don't Like What I Heard That's On You Me. Aug 2019 #48
Unfortunately I'm afraid he might be right. 😕nt helpisontheway Aug 2019 #27
Even if one thinks he's right, pushing that narrative is incredibly stupid. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #29
'cons have Dem help in pushing the narrative of the 'far to the left' Dem Party empedocles Aug 2019 #31
Ok, he needs to go away now. Funtatlaguy Aug 2019 #32
Why? I think he is right. nt Celerity Aug 2019 #42
my guess is Bullock is trying to revive his presidential campaign by making such a ridiculous onetexan Aug 2019 #41
Dems pushing a GOP talking point. What horseshit. John Fante Aug 2019 #43
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
1. If we don't abandon the ultra left dreams
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:08 AM
Aug 2019

and don't move to center-left, I am afraid he is right.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. Nothing like feeding a GOP narrative
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:27 AM
Aug 2019

to improve your standing with Democratic voters. Gov. Bullock is showing the same lack of judgment that is the hallmark of his campaign -leaving his entry too late to qualify for the first debate, then whining about the DNC rules.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
9. A reminder that they let other people vote in the General Election
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:44 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
11. ' . . . they let other people vote in the General Election' . Salient point.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:01 PM
Aug 2019

This thread, so far, underscores Bullock's point!

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GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
37. Steve Bullock was signing bills and vetoing bills just days before he entered the race.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:00 PM
Aug 2019

He was doing his job as governor which was his first priority at the moment.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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elocs

(22,541 posts)
6. If Trump is not defeated there will be no ultra left dreams
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:27 AM
Aug 2019

and it would take a generation to just get back to where we are now, if ever.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
8. And some persist with hope over fear
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:30 AM
Aug 2019
There is a lot at stake, and people are scared. But we can’t choose a candidate we don’t believe in just because we’re too scared to do anything else. And we can’t ask other people to vote for a candidate we don’t believe in. Democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it. I am not afraid, and for Democrats to win, you can’t be afraid either.

Elizabeth Warren
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
18. That is self-serving IMHO
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:26 PM
Aug 2019

It is like a short candidate would say "we tried with tall candidates before out of fear -- but this time, vote for a short one to fulfill what you believe in."

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
19. Almost everything politicians say is self serving,
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:40 PM
Aug 2019

even if, as this, from the heart.

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elocs

(22,541 posts)
38. Yet if Trump wins we won't be hearing anything from the "I am not afraid" crowd.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:02 PM
Aug 2019

I am afraid that Democrats will manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I will vote for whichever candidate wins the Democratic nomination even if I don't believe in them because beating Trump is more important than differences within the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
21. Important point. 51 years later, and we Dems are no where near where the level
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:19 AM
Aug 2019

LBJ the pragmatist who won for us [Medicare, Medicare, voting rights, etc., etc.,].

Yet some on the left keep up with their alienating aspirations - and accomplish very little.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
35. LBJ a pragmatist? That's laughable
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:35 PM
Aug 2019

LBJ knew democrats would lose the south if the civil rights and voting rights acts were passed, and he pushed it through anyway, because he knew it was the right thing to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
36. You're right LBJ did say he would lose the South for a generation. However, LBJ got the legislation
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:08 PM
Aug 2019

passed as a pragmatist - moving powerful, Neanderthal Southern Chairmen.

The left of that day had all sorts of 'aspirations' and were very angry they didn't get more - and almost killed chances for what they got.

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R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
22. True, and Trump is angling for the "but what about the stock market"
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

people, and there are plenty of those along with the racists.

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BeyondGeography

(39,346 posts)
2. Well at least Bullock is making one of his numbers go up
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:09 AM
Aug 2019

His negatives with Democrats. Working the MSM with Republican talking points when you’re polling at 1% really isn’t a good look, Steve.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
14. I believe that his polling
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:28 PM
Aug 2019

numbers "soared" to 2% in one poll!

I like Steve as a person. One DIL went to high school with him and also thinks he's a good guy. He has also won his MT Governor races. But there was NO way that he is going to register nationally as a Presidential candidate among other stellar and better-known candidates that we have.

Brian Schweitzer was better-known nationally and even he wouldn't stand a chance in 2020, IMO.

What most pissed me off about Schweitzer ... and also about Bullock ... is that we NEED to replace Steve Daines as one of MT's Senators. Had Schweitzer run for the seat vacated by Max Baucus, we never would have had Daines in the first place. And if Bullock follows Schweitzer's precedent, we may once again have Daines in the Senate.

See, e.g., https://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/bullock-presidential-bid-came-among-pleas-to-run-for-senate/article_29582c34-46ea-5aaa-b59d-276470ebe779.html

*******
Btw: I seem to remember seeing a recent OP that listed Senate seats for 2020 with Schweitzer as a candidate for the MT Senate seat. I can find NO confirmation of that anywhere.

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BeyondGeography

(39,346 posts)
16. I doubt Bullock ever blew the roof off like this
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:40 PM
Aug 2019
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pnwpolicy

(32 posts)
3. The MT Senate election?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:18 AM
Aug 2019

He should really jump in then!

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turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
4. I guess I better bite my tongue and still support my left leaning candidate, that
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:23 AM
Aug 2019

has a positive plan to solve the problems in this country instead of attacking the party....................

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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. He is entitled to his opinion
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:27 AM
Aug 2019

just like everyone else.

I completely disagree with him, but he is certainly entitled to believe what he wants.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
10. If he believes this, why is he still running for President?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:50 AM
Aug 2019

He either believes the party is going to lose because it won’t choose him as the nominee or he thinks the party will lose because he is the nominee. In either case, why is he still in the race?

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question everything

(47,434 posts)
13. Hoping to shift the debate to the center?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:05 PM
Aug 2019

After Hickenlooper left, the balance is slightly shifted toward the ultra left.

As stated above, we need the votes of moderates and independents. They do not want to lose their private insurance, do not want tax payers to pay four year college tuition or to forgive college debt.

In contrast to what Warren said last debate, alerting of what we should be doing is a smart move.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,909 posts)
20. Who running is "ultra left"?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:46 PM
Aug 2019

Sanders maybe. Ultra left means socialist or communist.

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thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
23. arguably sanders, warren, gabbard, yang (nt)
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 04:21 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
28. Right. I just wish they could have focused on the policies
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:29 PM
Aug 2019

that helped us win the House. I hope they ( Dem politicians) focus on what the people want and make reasonable proposals.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
30. The anti-trump vote won the House
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:43 PM
Aug 2019

Without those 20 trump red seats Dems would be up the proverbial creek

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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
12. His concern is noted, albeit misplaced. That concern is for himself.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:04 PM
Aug 2019
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doc03

(35,295 posts)
34. I wish I had a dollar for every time that was said in the 2016 election!
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:18 PM
Aug 2019
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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
24. On the basis that he isn't considered a contender. Run for Senate, Steve.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 04:36 PM
Aug 2019
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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
25. Bullock's concerns are valid because
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:15 PM
Aug 2019

if anyone can pull defeat out of the jaws of victory, it would be us Democrats.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. Says The Man Who Refers To The Democrat Party
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:23 PM
Aug 2019
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Celerity

(43,104 posts)
40. When did Bullock ever call it the Democrat Party?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:19 PM
Aug 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
44. INterview On MSNBC
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:46 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Celerity

(43,104 posts)
45. when and a link please, I cannot ever see him doing that unless it was a slip of the tongue
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:57 PM
Aug 2019

no link no proof no buy

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Celerity

(43,104 posts)
47. So all you have is a rando smear of a great Democrat with zero proof
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:16 AM
Aug 2019

You should delete that post.

You appear so far to have just made it up out of whole cloth, or at best, are disingenuously using a one-off slip of the tongue to try and trash Bullock as some sort of Rethug-lite. You know that 'Democrat Party' is a loaded term, yet you still try and associate it with Bullock, and when challenged provide nothing of evidence.

Bullock just completed a term as the chairman of the National Governors Association, is the only Democratic POTUS candidate running who has won state-wide in a Red state (and has done it multiple times.)

In all my listening to him and reading about him he has never used the term Democrat Party, and certianly has never remotely exhibited a demeanour wherein he would do so on purpose.

He worked extremely hard to get solid progressive and centre-left liberal proposals passed into law, and succeeded with many, depite having a Republican dominated legislature to contend with.

He is NOT some Republican in sheep's clothing, which is what your smear hints at, or at least attempts to raise doubts about, which is insidious in and of itself as a form of attack.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
48. If You Don't Like What I Heard That's On You
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:33 AM
Aug 2019

and chiding me isn't going to change that. So I suggest you walk on by unless you have nothing else to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
27. Unfortunately I'm afraid he might be right. 😕nt
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:26 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
29. Even if one thinks he's right, pushing that narrative is incredibly stupid.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:36 PM
Aug 2019

Republicans try very hard to drill into the public consciousness the notion that the Democratic Party has moved far to the left, while the Republican Party has remained steady/static. That's absurd, of course, but an oft-repeated lie is believed by many.

The last thing we need is for Democrats to contribute to that same narrative.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
31. 'cons have Dem help in pushing the narrative of the 'far to the left' Dem Party
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:44 PM
Aug 2019
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Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
32. Ok, he needs to go away now.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:48 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,104 posts)
42. Why? I think he is right. nt
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:20 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
41. my guess is Bullock is trying to revive his presidential campaign by making such a ridiculous
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:20 PM
Aug 2019

statement. He doesn't speak for us.

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Joe Biden
 

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
43. Dems pushing a GOP talking point. What horseshit.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:36 PM
Aug 2019

This is why we're the laughingstock of the western world.

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