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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:18 AM Aug 2019

While Bernie Sanders attacked Amazon, his campaign quietly spent $139,000 on the site.

"Do as I say not as I do" appears be the motto for the Sanders campaign. How can we take Bernie's criticism of Amazon seriously after this?

Some of Amazon's harshest critics are spending tens of thousands of dollars on the e-commerce site, according to campaign finance data... Sanders' campaign has spent $139,000... according to an analysis of federal campaign finance data by the Center for Public Integrity.

Sanders' campaign told the Center for Public Integrity: "Senator Sanders has not flinched in taking on Amazon and other large corporate monopolies, and he will continue to take them on when he's in the White House."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-sanders-and-warren-campaigns-spend-big-on-amazon-2019-8


Talk is cheap but not as cheap as Amazon office supplies!
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While Bernie Sanders attacked Amazon, his campaign quietly spent $139,000 on the site. (Original Post) Princetonian Aug 2019 OP
I use Amazon all the time. And I'm good with him going after them and hope he keeps it up. Autumn Aug 2019 #1
Of course you are, Autumn. Has Steyer qualified for the September debate yet? Princetonian Aug 2019 #3
What does Steyer have to do with this? Did you post your article to generate a discussion? Autumn Aug 2019 #8
Yep. And Bernie never called for a boycott. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #21
Nope he never did call for a boycott. I find boycotts don't make a difference. Autumn Aug 2019 #22
Yep. Sanders is leading the way showing it's a good company to support. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #25
Wait. What did you say? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #45
BS didn't shame them into doing anything. He does like to take credit for it, though. Too bad..... George II Aug 2019 #54
I only use Amazon when I have to. Crowman2009 Aug 2019 #6
I'm in a rural area and it's a long drive into town. To go to different stores looking for what Autumn Aug 2019 #9
I'm glad to hear about all of the support for Amazon. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #7
Odd that you find my post to be supportive for Amazon when I clearly stated why I use them and Autumn Aug 2019 #46
He also sells his books, campaign t-shirts, mugs, etc. on Amazon: George II Aug 2019 #2
So Bernie profits off of one of those "large corporate monopolies" while viciously denouncing them?! Princetonian Aug 2019 #4
Yep. He also sells his books via Walmart, too: George II Aug 2019 #10
Bernie sure "has not flinched" from making $$$ "on Amazon and other large corporate monopolies"!! Princetonian Aug 2019 #24
you realize that's kind of the opposite of that word you are looking for right? qazplm135 Aug 2019 #33
Nice! There are tees for almost all the candidates. Silk Road Tees is a Brooklyn company. Autumn Aug 2019 #14
Is Anyone Truly Surprised? Me. Aug 2019 #27
I cant wait for the day when we never have to talk about two certain people ever again, rump Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #53
$195 Beef Florentine. Mmmmm SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #5
He says in his emails that his average contribution this time around is $19, so.... George II Aug 2019 #11
$90 pork chops! Wow. I wonder if we'll see the same outrage R B Garr Aug 2019 #12
That menu looks amazing. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #15
Absolutely! That's some high living right there. nt R B Garr Aug 2019 #17
You should have seen the menu on that flight to the Vatican a few years ago. George II Aug 2019 #20
Are you referencing the trip that he brought nine of his family members on... SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #23
Mmm... I am a foodie like Bernie only I don't have $mall donor$ paying my way. Princetonian Aug 2019 #26
Wasn't There Lobster Me. Aug 2019 #28
Here's the menu on that $800,000 flight: George II Aug 2019 #31
Who paid for all that? lunamagica Aug 2019 #35
To be honest, I don't know. Originally it was charged to the campaign, but the FEC.... George II Aug 2019 #37
Hummmm...interesting... lunamagica Aug 2019 #38
An $800,000. Flight For A PR Stunt Me. Aug 2019 #39
I am still shocked this really happened. Very disappointed in Bernie. Princetonian Aug 2019 #60
I Don't Know Me. Aug 2019 #63
Hmm...how many hours at $15/hour go into a $195 Beef Florentine? Princetonian Aug 2019 #13
This is a work of art. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #18
Hehe... Princetonian Aug 2019 #19
Forget hours at $15/hour, how many $19-$27 contributions is that. Plus the campaign.... George II Aug 2019 #36
Whaaaaat? "the campaign paid for the dinners of other millionaires who were at that dinner"? Princetonian Aug 2019 #44
It was actually a lunch in Hollywood, not a dinner. George II Aug 2019 #47
Same difference, I suppose. The philosophical chicanery behind such a move is sad for me to know. Princetonian Aug 2019 #56
Figure an average tab of $150 for each of the 25 attendees, with tax and tip that's roughly $4700... George II Aug 2019 #57
I recall paying $150 for each of my wedding guests. No $195 steak or $90 pork chops either. Princetonian Aug 2019 #58
I was being conservative, and didn't include anything for alcohol since it was a lunch meeting.... George II Aug 2019 #64
That Would Be 13 Me. Aug 2019 #40
Thanks for the correction, Me. Princetonian Aug 2019 #41
Mmmmm Roasted. Autumn Aug 2019 #48
Corporations! R B Garr Aug 2019 #16
Bernie attacked capitalism while buying stuff from capitalists? The hooooorrrroorrororor! ExciteBike66 Aug 2019 #29
Biden complains about Amazon and spends campaign funds there as well. bluedigger Aug 2019 #30
The difference is that Biden doesn't threaten Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #32
Whatabout! Cha Aug 2019 #62
Hypocrite lunamagica Aug 2019 #34
Al Gore has a big house Buzz cook Aug 2019 #42
You have a deflection. Cha Aug 2019 #61
Define that Buzz cook Aug 2019 #65
No. Cha Aug 2019 #67
Trumpian hypocrisy NYMinute Aug 2019 #43
And there's this from a VT newspaper. lapucelle Aug 2019 #52
I am a hypocrite because: jg10003 Aug 2019 #49
Well stated. It's ridiculous to expect people to become... LAS14 Aug 2019 #50
If you were running for President of the United States, we would hold you to a higher standard LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #59
Especially if you spend money at your political target nini Aug 2019 #66
What was that about millionaires and billionaires? democratisphere Aug 2019 #51
how do rich people get richer? get someone else to pay for their meals nt msongs Aug 2019 #55
 

Autumn

(44,982 posts)
1. I use Amazon all the time. And I'm good with him going after them and hope he keeps it up.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:25 AM
Aug 2019
“We know that the median salary for Amazon employees is about $28,000,” the Senator told TechCrunch. “And about half the workers who work for Amazon make less than $28,000 a year.”

It’s easy to see why the company has become a prime target for Sanders. A recent SEC filing put the median salary at $28,446 — less than owner Jeff Bezos makes every 10 seconds.

“We have every reason to believe that many, many thousands of Amazon workers in their warehouses throughout the country are earning very low wages,” Sanders explained. “It’s hard to get this information. Amazon has not been very forthcoming. From what information we’ve gathered, one out of three Amazon workers in Arizona, as we understand it, are on public assistance. They are receiving either Medicaid, food stamps or public housing.”

The Senator acknowledges that nothing about what Amazon is doing, on the face of it, is breaking any laws. But the discrepancy between its highest and lowest wage earners is enough for him to call into question why government subsidies are required to buoy those on the bottom rung. This is precisely what the proposed legislation aims to address.


https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/28/bernie-sanders-problem-with-amazon/
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Princetonian

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3. Of course you are, Autumn. Has Steyer qualified for the September debate yet?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:27 AM
Aug 2019
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Autumn

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8. What does Steyer have to do with this? Did you post your article to generate a discussion?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:35 AM
Aug 2019

If so you may want to discuss it. Or not. It's really up to you. We are talking about a huge corporation, Amazon that millions of people use daily and the owner makes $28,446 every 10 seconds, more than his employees make in a year? And many of those employees are on public assistance. I think that's wrong. Don't you?

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
21. Yep. And Bernie never called for a boycott.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:57 AM
Aug 2019

So “do as I say not as I do” is false made up bullshit.

Bernie shamed them in to paying their employees more. And it worked.

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Autumn

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22. Nope he never did call for a boycott. I find boycotts don't make a difference.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:00 AM
Aug 2019

But a Senator can. He uses Amazon, he's not supporting Amazon.

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SouthernProgressive

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25. Yep. Sanders is leading the way showing it's a good company to support.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:14 AM
Aug 2019

Excellent point. Sanders never said to boycott them. His actions show they are a corporation worth using. The excellence of the WaPo is just icing on the cake. It's all political bluster.

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George II

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54. BS didn't shame them into doing anything. He does like to take credit for it, though. Too bad.....
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:32 PM
Aug 2019

....he isn't doing what Amazon is doing, paying his OWN workers $15 per hour.

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Crowman2009

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6. I only use Amazon when I have to.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:34 AM
Aug 2019

Especially when something that I'm looking for is not available at any store, or the stores which have the more common stuff I use to find are out of business.

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Autumn

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9. I'm in a rural area and it's a long drive into town. To go to different stores looking for what
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:37 AM
Aug 2019

I want or need is not practical.

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SouthernProgressive

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7. I'm glad to hear about all of the support for Amazon.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:34 AM
Aug 2019

Good job using them. I do as well. The WP does great work and it all helps in the end.

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Autumn

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46. Odd that you find my post to be supportive for Amazon when I clearly stated why I use them and
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:31 PM
Aug 2019

why I don't support them. I don't bother with the WP.

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Princetonian

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4. So Bernie profits off of one of those "large corporate monopolies" while viciously denouncing them?!
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:31 AM
Aug 2019

Hmmm.... there's a word for that.... now, what is it??? Give me a moment while I

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Princetonian

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24. Bernie sure "has not flinched" from making $$$ "on Amazon and other large corporate monopolies"!!
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:14 AM
Aug 2019

Huh.

Sanders' campaign told the Center for Public Integrity: "Senator Sanders has not flinched in taking on Amazon and other large corporate monopolies, and he will continue to take them on when he's in the White House."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-sanders-and-warren-campaigns-spend-big-on-amazon-2019-8

Yeah right.

"... and he will continue to take them on when he's in the White House."


Does this mean Bernie will continue eating $195 $teak$ and doing bu$ine$$ with Amazon and Walmart "when he in the White House"? Voters want to know!
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qazplm135

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33. you realize that's kind of the opposite of that word you are looking for right?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:33 AM
Aug 2019

Bernie is even lower on my list than Biden is, but using a company and then denouncing them for not paying enough taxes is not hypocritical.

He didn't say we should boycott them, and he hasn't advocated that they no longer exists.

He has gone after them for some of their worker policies and the fact that they often pay no taxes.

This is a weak diary.

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Autumn

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14. Nice! There are tees for almost all the candidates. Silk Road Tees is a Brooklyn company.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:46 AM
Aug 2019
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Me.

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27. Is Anyone Truly Surprised?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:35 AM
Aug 2019

Seriously, you'll never see that finger of his pointing in his direction while he uses private planes, pays for high power lunches (what was the price tag for that meal...$1000.?) and all the other perks and practices that are just for him not for us. All we get is a cheap meal of his constant whining and whinges.

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Eliot Rosewater

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53. I cant wait for the day when we never have to talk about two certain people ever again, rump
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:30 PM
Aug 2019

is one of them.

We could accomplish SO much if we had DEMOCRATS in power, completely. People with TRACK records of getting shit done.

THEN and only then we can watch the R party die as it should and a new further LEFT party appear and then we can argue democratic socialism as in how much of it we want instead of arguing now with fascist traitors i.e. GOP.

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SouthernProgressive

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5. $195 Beef Florentine. Mmmmm
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:31 AM
Aug 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287239508

He is spreading the small dollar donations around.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
11. He says in his emails that his average contribution this time around is $19, so....
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:39 AM
Aug 2019

....that's about 10 contributions plus tax and tip.

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R B Garr

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12. $90 pork chops! Wow. I wonder if we'll see the same outrage
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:44 AM
Aug 2019

exhibited over other candidates catering menus.

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SouthernProgressive

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15. That menu looks amazing.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:47 AM
Aug 2019

You just have to become a best selling author.

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R B Garr

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17. Absolutely! That's some high living right there. nt
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:50 AM
Aug 2019
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George II

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20. You should have seen the menu on that flight to the Vatican a few years ago.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:56 AM
Aug 2019
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SouthernProgressive

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23. Are you referencing the trip that he brought nine of his family members on...
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:03 AM
Aug 2019

The day after taking a drumming in a debate?

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Princetonian

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26. Mmm... I am a foodie like Bernie only I don't have $mall donor$ paying my way.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:22 AM
Aug 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
28. Wasn't There Lobster
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:36 AM
Aug 2019

and a very fine white wine?

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George II

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31. Here's the menu on that $800,000 flight:
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:53 AM
Aug 2019

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
35. Who paid for all that?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:51 AM
Aug 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. To be honest, I don't know. Originally it was charged to the campaign, but the FEC....
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:53 AM
Aug 2019

....declared that expense impermissible.

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lunamagica

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38. Hummmm...interesting...
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:57 AM
Aug 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
39. An $800,000. Flight For A PR Stunt
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:24 PM
Aug 2019

Still blows my mind. I see it was crab for the "settling in"...unbelievable waste of hard-earned donator's money as was that Hollywood pretentious lunch.



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Princetonian

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60. I am still shocked this really happened. Very disappointed in Bernie.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:38 PM
Aug 2019

Do you think all of his small donors know how their money is being spent?

I think HuffPo says Bernie has hauled in more money thus far than any other candidate in the article I posted excerpts of as an OP: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287242447

Bernie needs money for lobster, folks!!!

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
63. I Don't Know
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 05:13 PM
Aug 2019

his people are really keyed into the campaign for the most part but maybe, just like with the traitor in the WH, they know and don't care.

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Princetonian

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13. Hmm...how many hours at $15/hour go into a $195 Beef Florentine?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:45 AM
Aug 2019

Bernie should make that a topic filler in his next chat with Cardi B. He could inspire his supporters: "You too can eat like me but you'll have to work 13 hours or 1 and 0.6 workdays to eat what I had last week. Thank you, small donors!"

Iowans might also be interested in Bernie'$ dedication to the ga$tronomic a$pect$ of his "permanent revolution".

to Me.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
18. This is a work of art.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:50 AM
Aug 2019

“dedication to the ga$tronomic a$pect$ of his "permanent revolution"

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Princetonian

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19. Hehe...
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:53 AM
Aug 2019

Thanks for the tip, Southern Progressive!

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George II

(67,782 posts)
36. Forget hours at $15/hour, how many $19-$27 contributions is that. Plus the campaign....
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:51 AM
Aug 2019

....paid for the dinners of the other millionaires who were at that dinner.

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
44. Whaaaaat? "the campaign paid for the dinners of other millionaires who were at that dinner"?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:27 PM
Aug 2019

I didn't know he gave fundraisers to get $$ from other millionaires.

How many times have I heard Bernie rail against the influence of "millionaires and billionaires" to say he is only powered by small donors? How many emails have I gotten from Bernie that denounce the influence of money from millionaires and billionaires when exhorting his mailing list of small donors to give him more donations?

Wow. Am I naive or what?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
47. It was actually a lunch in Hollywood, not a dinner.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:32 PM
Aug 2019

(pay site) https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/bernie-sanders-playbook-for-winning-the-black-vote

Two weeks before he would appear at the Iowa State Fair, surrounded by a sea of whiteness, Bernie Sanders was at the Italian restaurant Chi Spacca, in Hollywood, trying to shore up another key constituency. The presidential candidate, who remains a serious contender for the Democratic nomination despite having slipped in the polls, was having lunch with 25 or so creatives—writers, musicians, artists and social-media mavens, most of whom were African American or Latino.


....he was at Chi Spacca, where the tomahawk pork chop runs $90, and the beef Florentine is $195. Sanders ordered steak.

The campaign picked up the tab.
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Princetonian

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56. Same difference, I suppose. The philosophical chicanery behind such a move is sad for me to know.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:49 PM
Aug 2019

Bernie has always railed against taking money from "millionaires and billionaires" and boasted of his small donor base as the antidote to such money in politics but he doesn't mind wining and dining said "millionaires and billionaires" on his small donors' dime to get campaign donations from them?

The scales have fallen from my eyes. Sigh.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
57. Figure an average tab of $150 for each of the 25 attendees, with tax and tip that's roughly $4700...
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:52 PM
Aug 2019

....the equivalent of 245 contributions of $19 each.

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Princetonian

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58. I recall paying $150 for each of my wedding guests. No $195 steak or $90 pork chops either.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:08 PM
Aug 2019

Perhaps 245 small donations with an average of $19 each, eh?

Not a good look, Bernie!!

Hmmm.... lemme see:

open bar with high-quality liquor good enough for those millionaires and billionaires to get tipsy enough to write bigger checks than when they are sober;

exquisite appetizers (no pigs in a blanket);

delicate confections and desserts (no Hershey's Kisses or chocolate pudding w/Cool Whip topping).

This OP makes me hungry. Too bad I don't have any small donors.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
64. I was being conservative, and didn't include anything for alcohol since it was a lunch meeting....
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:58 PM
Aug 2019

...with drinks and desserts, this could have been over $10K.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
40. That Would Be 13
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:26 PM
Aug 2019

or 1 and .6 workday

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
41. Thanks for the correction, Me.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:52 PM
Aug 2019

I'll update my post now.

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R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
16. Corporations!
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:48 AM
Aug 2019




Such double standards, again.
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ExciteBike66

(2,297 posts)
29. Bernie attacked capitalism while buying stuff from capitalists? The hooooorrrroorrororor!
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:46 AM
Aug 2019
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bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
30. Biden complains about Amazon and spends campaign funds there as well.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:48 AM
Aug 2019

I guess it's okay if it's just a little hypocritical.

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Voltaire2

(12,962 posts)
32. The difference is that Biden doesn't threaten
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:01 AM
Aug 2019

the established order, so it’s ok.

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Buzz cook

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42. Al Gore has a big house
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:01 PM
Aug 2019

What a hypocrite. Hillary Clinton talked to Richard Mellon Scaife, what a hypocrite. Barack Obama opposed military intervention in Iraq, but became commander in chief, what a hypocrite.

This is a sad copy of a right wing talking point. If person A supports position X but doesn't also Y, they are a hypocrite.
Usually position X is straw maned as in the OP.

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Cha

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61. You have a deflection.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:51 PM
Aug 2019
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Buzz cook

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65. Define that
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:42 PM
Aug 2019

Put in the form of an argument.

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NYMinute

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43. Trumpian hypocrisy
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:14 PM
Aug 2019

Not cool.

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lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
52. And there's this from a VT newspaper.
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:28 PM
Aug 2019
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jg10003

(975 posts)
49. I am a hypocrite because:
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:52 PM
Aug 2019

I support a $15 minimum wage but I still eat at McDonald's.

I believe that migrant workers are exploited but I still eat fruits and vegetables.

I oppose nuclear energy but I still pay my electric bill.

I think the income gap is a real problem, but I enjoy a night on the town occasionally.

The energy crisis is real, but I am not turning off my air conditioner (I live in South Florida).

I will vote for whoever will be the most forceful advocate for progressive policies regardless of what he/she has for lunch, how they travel, where they buy their office supplies, or how many books they sell.



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LAS14

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50. Well stated. It's ridiculous to expect people to become...
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:59 PM
Aug 2019

... hermits in the desert to prove their sincerity in attacking society's ills.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
59. If you were running for President of the United States, we would hold you to a higher standard
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:14 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nini

(16,672 posts)
66. Especially if you spend money at your political target
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:48 PM
Aug 2019

There are other places to spend that money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
51. What was that about millionaires and billionaires?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:12 PM
Aug 2019

Nothing like supporting them with $139,000.00 worth of business.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,361 posts)
55. how do rich people get richer? get someone else to pay for their meals nt
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 02:35 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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