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still_one

(92,136 posts)
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:32 PM Aug 2019

Out of 262 votes in the Senate in 2019, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris mssied the most votes

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Booker missed 118 vote, and Harris missed 116 votes

Does it come down to Stump or Vote?




https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/18/kamala-harris-cory-booker-president-missed-votes/

"California Sen. Kamala Harris was absent for more Senate votes in 2019 than all but one of her fellow members of Congress running for president, missing 44.3 percent of the roll call votes so far this year.
Only Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey missed more votes, according to a Bay Area News Group analysis of data from the open government website GovTrack. Booker missed 118 of the 262 votes, while Harris missed 116.

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Splitting time between campaign events in far-flung primary states and the daily business of Capitol Hill has always been a challenge for senators and representatives running for president — and in an era of crushing congressional gridlock, there’s less incentive for White House hopefuls to stick around D.C. Still, missed votes by Harris and her fellow candidates could open them up to attacks from President Trump or other rivals.
Most of the issues that have come up for a vote on the chamber’s floor this year have been procedural matters or votes to confirm Trump administration judges or appointees. And it appears none of the Democratic candidates would have changed the outcome of votes they missed in the GOP-held Senate.
While Harris was stumping at an urban farming nonprofit in Dubuque, Iowa, in June, for example, the Senate voted to move forward with four Trump judicial nominations. She was in Columbia, South Carolina at a roundtable with teachers when the Senate approved another half-dozen nominations in April. And she and many of the other candidates missed a vote on a controversial $4.6 billion humanitarian aid package for the border, which took place the day of the first presidential debate in Miami in late June.


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""Overall, the Senate has passed little major substantive legislation in 2019, leading to complaints from senators from both parties. “We have done nothing, zero, zilch, nada,” GOP Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana told reporters earlier this year.
And confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority of 50 votes to pass, which means Democratic senators wouldn’t be able to block Trump’s selections even if their entire caucus was present.
“If voters held the Senate in higher esteem, this might be a higher profile issue, but blowing off an institution that most people don’t respect to begin with is unlikely to move a lot of votes,” said Jack Pitney, a politics professor at Claremont McKenna College. “The things the Senate is voting on these days are not going to be in the history books.”
Harris has returned to D.C. to vote on a number of relatively important bills, including the 9/11 first responders compensation fund, a prohibition of unauthorized military action in Iran, and an effort to block U.S. support for the Saudi war in Yemen (although she and other candidates missed an unsuccessful attempt to override Trump’s veto of Yemen war resolution last month). She’s also attended plenty of hearings, including a grilling of Attorney General Bill Barr in May that won her headlines and social media attention.





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Out of 262 votes in the Senate in 2019, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris mssied the most votes (Original Post) still_one Aug 2019 OP
What? The senate is a wasteland of KGB operatives and decent Senators Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #1
. ucrdem Aug 2019 #3
Help me out here, is there a SINGLE vote they missed that would have Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #5
Every one would have changed the record. ucrdem Aug 2019 #7
Why are you disrespecting what Senator Obama did ?!?! bluewater Aug 2019 #26
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #30
Harris is a top tier candidate and certainly has a chance of winning also. bluewater Aug 2019 #33
Not any more she doesn't. ucrdem Aug 2019 #37
exactly what Nancy Pelosi said about Donald Trump bigtree Aug 2019 #53
Harris most assuredly does have a chance of winning mcar Aug 2019 #51
5.5 months until the Iowa caucus. They both have a chance of winning. Clash City Rocker Aug 2019 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Aug 2019 #28
if there was the headlines would be screaming about it. bluewater Aug 2019 #8
I just posted exerpts from the Mercury News in case there is a pay wall. This pertains to 2019 still_one Aug 2019 #13
Not gonna say it. ucrdem Aug 2019 #2
Biden's Missed Votes bigtree Aug 2019 #12
What does this have to do with Biden? Is he a Senator now? Are you saying the story is false? still_one Aug 2019 #15
And Biden had decades of vigorous Senate experience under his belt. ucrdem Aug 2019 #17
In fairness to Harris and Booker, there were a few substantial votes which she was present for. In still_one Aug 2019 #19
If they didn't respect the job they shouldn't have taken it. ucrdem Aug 2019 #22
Again, why are you disrespecting what Senator Obama did ?!?! bluewater Aug 2019 #25
I am her constituent and it does not raise anything wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #52
"She has a duty to make sure she's representing her constituents" Princetonian Aug 2019 #71
I'm a Californian Cartoonist Aug 2019 #81
None of us. Again you are blowing smoke for your own purpose. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #89
I like her much better as a Senator than I did as an AG The Mouth Aug 2019 #98
Yes, she's only been a Senator two years, the last R B Garr Aug 2019 #59
lol. The outrage at your own candidate held to the same standard is funny bigtree Aug 2019 #24
Not outraged, just increasingly disappointed in my senator. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #36
Sen. Obama missed more than 64% of votes in 2008, so why are u attacking current Dems? bluewater Aug 2019 #39
well, he went on to become VP, so... bigtree Aug 2019 #44
My candidate? I am undecided until the field narrows down still_one Aug 2019 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #50
That in my view is a valid counter to the article/OP still_one Aug 2019 #56
Harris missed more... this year and Biden is not a Senator...Harris is not going to be the nominee.. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #90
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #92
That list was posted without much thought or analysis. First of all, in early 1988..... George II Aug 2019 #94
I did not know that ...people rarely survived aneurysms Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #95
You're welcome. He had more important things to worry about that missing votes, and as we see.... George II Aug 2019 #96
Well those who support other more 'pure' candidates...in a supposedly 'woke' party are Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #97
You do realize that Biden had two brain aneurysms in early 1988 and required brain surgery, right? George II Aug 2019 #93
What drove you to post such "important" information? They're both campaigning for president and... brush Aug 2019 #88
"The candidates' records aren't that far out of line with past presidential contenders." fleabiscuit Aug 2019 #4
You know why I prefer Warren? at140 Aug 2019 #10
Warren is principled and classy. And she only missed 28.2% votes in 2019 despite campaigning hard. Princetonian Aug 2019 #65
You know that if their votes would have changed the outcome, they *would* have been there. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #14
True, but they seemed to stand out more from the other Democratic candidates, though, the article still_one Aug 2019 #21
confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority" bluewater Aug 2019 #6
Thank you. SharonClark Aug 2019 #9
Please list the 262 Senate votes in 2019, so we can see what they missed... SidDithers Aug 2019 #11
I have posted an excerpt from the San Jose Mercury story, in the OP because it dawned on me still_one Aug 2019 #18
What has the Senate voted on except judgeships? Their votes sinkingfeeling Aug 2019 #16
The job is what you make of it. ucrdem Aug 2019 #20
Sen. Obama missed 64% of votes in 2008, why are you so critical of him? bluewater Aug 2019 #27
Obama made POTUS out of it. Senators Harris and Booker . . . ucrdem Aug 2019 #31
Why attack current Dems' voting records? Obama missed 64% of votes in 2008. bluewater Aug 2019 #35
Do as I say. democratisphere Aug 2019 #41
Seriously ucrdem Aug 2019 #43
Well. democratisphere Aug 2019 #45
There were votes on the California droughts, and other state related issues which Harris was present still_one Aug 2019 #23
Keto diet is going pretty well, but not losing as much as I'd hoped Dream Girl Aug 2019 #29
lol bigtree Aug 2019 #32
Actually, I've been trying some keto recipes. I made almond pancakes and fat head pizza Dream Girl Aug 2019 #34
I've seen some really appetizing recipes bigtree Aug 2019 #42
I'm about a month in on intermittent fasting mcar Aug 2019 #54
Sen Obama missed more than 64% of votes in 2008, so why attack current Dems? bluewater Aug 2019 #38
Supposed to do the job you were elected and paid to do. democratisphere Aug 2019 #40
Then Biden is also disqualified Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #46
And it would have been true in 1988, too, had Biden not left the race so early due to scandal. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #49
And others as well... lapucelle Aug 2019 #58
Then Obama was disqualified from running mcar Aug 2019 #55
You mean vote attendance for Presidential candidates namahage Aug 2019 #80
I wonder why too mcar Aug 2019 #83
The numbers for each more or less coincide with when they entered the race for president. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #48
Bad look for a news story: "Kamala Harris is skipping Senate votes while running for president" Princetonian Aug 2019 #66
It would be a shame if we had to depend on voters to be informed before they vote. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2019 #67
Well, some candidates might want voters to be kept in the dark about their history while others... Princetonian Aug 2019 #76
On the other hand ... GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #60
K&R Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #61
44.3% attendance rate? If my kid did that back in SF, DA Harris would have put me in jail. Princetonian Aug 2019 #62
How many were jailed or fined? How was the law used? fleabiscuit Aug 2019 #69
What other state has a truancy law that criminalized parents introduced by a 2020 candidate? Princetonian Aug 2019 #74
TFTFY... fleabiscuit Aug 2019 #82
Further fixes... namahage Aug 2019 #85
+++.... fleabiscuit Aug 2019 #86
"Obama's campaign points out that Biden missed the most votes if the whole year is considered," Kaleva Aug 2019 #73
Are they running? Can I vote for Barack again? Princetonian Aug 2019 #75
Your prefered canidate is running last time I looked. Kaleva Aug 2019 #77
Why did you bring up Barack then? Princetonian Aug 2019 #78
Was the Obama campaign correct in their description of Sen. Biden's 2007 attendence record? Kaleva Aug 2019 #79
Let me get this straight mcar Aug 2019 #63
It is an article from the San Jose Mercury, discusses the balancing act/compromises candidates have still_one Aug 2019 #64
I wonder how people might have gotten that impression. namahage Aug 2019 #68
Good points still_one Aug 2019 #70
You are right: Sanders and Gillibrand are slackers too. Princetonian Aug 2019 #72
That's going to leave a mark. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2019 #84
Yeah, but how's their spelling? ZZenith Aug 2019 #87
In 2018, Harris had one of the best attendance records in the Senate honest.abe Aug 2019 #91
 

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. What? The senate is a wasteland of KGB operatives and decent Senators
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019
like these arent allowed to vote on much of anything either way

either they will vote against a slime-ball rightwing piece of shit ass up for a court position that will get confirmed anyway or not be able to vote for gun legislation etc

There is no Senate right now, I dont care HOW MANY votes they miss when it means nothing anyway
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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
5. Help me out here, is there a SINGLE vote they missed that would have
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:38 PM
Aug 2019

changed anything?

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
7. Every one would have changed the record.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:39 PM
Aug 2019

And theirs.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
26. Why are you disrespecting what Senator Obama did ?!?!
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:39 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
33. Harris is a top tier candidate and certainly has a chance of winning also.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:51 PM
Aug 2019

So, selective outrage noted.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
37. Not any more she doesn't.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:57 PM
Aug 2019

And you can take that to the bank.

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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
53. exactly what Nancy Pelosi said about Donald Trump
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:20 PM
Aug 2019

...bless her heart, most of us thought the same.

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mcar

(42,302 posts)
51. Harris most assuredly does have a chance of winning
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:20 PM
Aug 2019

I agree with Eliot - the Senate is a legislative graveyard.

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Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
57. 5.5 months until the Iowa caucus. They both have a chance of winning.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:29 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
8. if there was the headlines would be screaming about it.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:39 PM
Aug 2019

So the smart money says NO.

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
13. I just posted exerpts from the Mercury News in case there is a pay wall. This pertains to 2019
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:05 PM
Aug 2019
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
2. Not gonna say it.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019

But I'm gonna think it.

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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
12. Biden's Missed Votes
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:53 PM
Aug 2019

From Jan 1973 to Jan 2009, Biden missed 1,781 of 14,556 roll call votes, which is 12.2%. This is much worse than the median of 2.0% among the lifetime records of senators serving in Jan 2009.

election years?

1988 Jan-Mar - 76 out of 84 votes missed-- 90.5%
1988 Apr-Jun - 137 out of 137 votes missed--100.0%
1988 Jul-Sep - 94 out of 127 votes missed-- 74.0%
2006 Nov-Dec - 10 out of 16 votes missed--62.5%
2007 Oct-Dec - 68 out of 85 votes missed--80.0%
2008 Oct-Dec - 3 out of 6 votes missed--50.0%
2009 Jan-Mar - 3 out of 5 votes missed--60.0%


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joseph_biden/300008

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
15. What does this have to do with Biden? Is he a Senator now? Are you saying the story is false?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:08 PM
Aug 2019

Here is a excerpt from the San Jose Mercury News, and it was simply asking the question, Stump or Vote?

Are you that defensive that you ccannot even comment on the article without bringing in other candidates what aboutism? This isn't personal

"California Sen. Kamala Harris was absent for more Senate votes in 2019 than all but one of her fellow members of Congress running for president, missing 44.3 percent of the roll call votes so far this year.
Only Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey missed more votes, according to a Bay Area News Group analysis of data from the open government website GovTrack. Booker missed 118 of the 262 votes, while Harris missed 116.


Splitting time between campaign events in far-flung primary states and the daily business of Capitol Hill has always been a challenge for senators and representatives running for president — and in an era of crushing congressional gridlock, there’s less incentive for White House hopefuls to stick around D.C. Still, missed votes by Harris and her fellow candidates could open them up to attacks from President Trump or other rivals.
Most of the issues that have come up for a vote on the chamber’s floor this year have been procedural matters or votes to confirm Trump administration judges or appointees. And it appears none of the Democratic candidates would have changed the outcome of votes they missed in the GOP-held Senate.
While Harris was stumping at an urban farming nonprofit in Dubuque, Iowa, in June, for example, the Senate voted to move forward with four Trump judicial nominations. She was in Columbia, South Carolina at a roundtable with teachers when the Senate approved another half-dozen nominations in April. And she and many of the other candidates missed a vote on a controversial $4.6 billion humanitarian aid package for the border, which took place the day of the first presidential debate in Miami in late June."

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. And Biden had decades of vigorous Senate experience under his belt.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:14 PM
Aug 2019

This kind of innattention worries me as Harris is my senator and will be asking for my vote in 2023.

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
19. In fairness to Harris and Booker, there were a few substantial votes which she was present for. In
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:20 PM
Aug 2019

addition, not much substance was accomplished in this Congress:

"Overall, the Senate has passed little major substantive legislation in 2019, leading to complaints from senators from both parties. “We have done nothing, zero, zilch, nada,” GOP Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana told reporters earlier this year.
And confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority of 50 votes to pass, which means Democratic senators wouldn’t be able to block Trump’s selections even if their entire caucus was present.
“If voters held the Senate in higher esteem, this might be a higher profile issue, but blowing off an institution that most people don’t respect to begin with is unlikely to move a lot of votes,” said Jack Pitney, a politics professor at Claremont McKenna College. “The things the Senate is voting on these days are not going to be in the history books.”
Harris has returned to D.C. to vote on a number of relatively important bills, including the 9/11 first responders compensation fund, a prohibition of unauthorized military action in Iran, and an effort to block U.S. support for the Saudi war in Yemen (although she and other candidates missed an unsuccessful attempt to override Trump’s veto of Yemen war resolution last month). She’s also attended plenty of hearings, including a grilling of Attorney General Bill Barr in May that won her headlines and social media attention.

The question for discussion was the conflict and active legislator has when running for public office.

Some decided to take this more personally against their preferred candidate than I intended


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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
22. If they didn't respect the job they shouldn't have taken it.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:24 PM
Aug 2019

It raises troubling questions for their constituents, speaking as one.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
25. Again, why are you disrespecting what Senator Obama did ?!?!
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019

Senators Missing Votes
By D'Angelo Gore

Posted on November 3, 2015

Q: Did Barack Obama and John Kerry miss 60 percent to 70 percent of their Senate votes while running for president, as Marco Rubio claimed?
A: Yes. Obama missed more than 64 percent of votes in 2008, and Kerry missed even more — nearly 90 percent — in 2004.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/senators-missing-votes/

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
52. I am her constituent and it does not raise anything
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:20 PM
Aug 2019

troubling.

Nothing would have changed either way. You are just blowing smoke up everyones ass.

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
71. "She has a duty to make sure she's representing her constituents"
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:26 PM
Aug 2019
Rey López-Calderón, the executive director of good government group California Common Cause, said he thought Harris should attend more votes...

“She has a duty to make sure she’s representing her constituents,” López-Calderón said.


Wow. Looks like someone cares. I wonder how many Californians were very disappointed in their senator after they read this story? It's an open primary, after all. Every vote counts.
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Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
81. I'm a Californian
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:25 PM
Aug 2019

I have absolutely no problem with her missing pointless votes. Why should I? Do you? Check your candidate for their record.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
89. None of us. Again you are blowing smoke for your own purpose.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:39 AM
Aug 2019
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The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
98. I like her much better as a Senator than I did as an AG
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 11:24 AM
Aug 2019

I think she has quite the authoritarian streak, which is why she's my second to last choice, beating only De Blasio.

Horrible AG, darn good Senator, where her sharp and penetrating mind and inquisitorial attitude are excellent at eviscerating bullshit artists, scary as fuck as a prosecutor, very much the sort who makes up their mind and then seeks and presents (very effectively) the evidence that back up what they already concluded; great skillset to have on a committee, dangerous one when given any kind of sole power'

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R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
59. Yes, she's only been a Senator two years, the last
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:36 PM
Aug 2019

few months campaigning for another job pretty much full time it appears. Now we see she’s leading with Booker on missed votes. It is curious.

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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
24. lol. The outrage at your own candidate held to the same standard is funny
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:32 PM
Aug 2019

...looks like those missed votes of Biden's are during election periods

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
36. Not outraged, just increasingly disappointed in my senator. nt
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:55 PM
Aug 2019
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
39. Sen. Obama missed more than 64% of votes in 2008, so why are u attacking current Dems?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:02 PM
Aug 2019

Senators Missing Votes
By D'Angelo Gore

Posted on November 3, 2015

Q: Did Barack Obama and John Kerry miss 60 percent to 70 percent of their Senate votes while running for president, as Marco Rubio claimed?
A: Yes. Obama missed more than 64 percent of votes in 2008, and Kerry missed even more — nearly 90 percent — in 2004.

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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
44. well, he went on to become VP, so...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:08 PM
Aug 2019

...

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
47. My candidate? I am undecided until the field narrows down
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:05 PM
Aug 2019

and there are two candidates I won’t voting ted for in the primaries

Harris and.Booker are NOT those candidates. I would vote for either one in the primaries without hesitation if my evaluation of the prospective candidates

Harris is my Senator by the way

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
56. That in my view is a valid counter to the article/OP
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:27 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
90. Harris missed more... this year and Biden is not a Senator...Harris is not going to be the nominee..
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

IMHO.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
94. That list was posted without much thought or analysis. First of all, in early 1988.....
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 08:25 PM
Aug 2019

.....Joe Biden suffered two brain aneurysms that almost cost him his life and ultimately required brain surgery. But he's being faulted for not voting during that period and his recovery period. Sheesh.

Second, it includes Senate votes that he missed from January to March 2009! Forgotten is the fact that Biden was sworn in as Vice President on January 20, 2009 and no longer was a Senator for the rest of January along with February and March.

WTF? He's supposed to vote from his hospital bed and when he's no longer a Senator? Sheesh II.

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
95. I did not know that ...people rarely survived aneurysms
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:06 PM
Aug 2019

Wow...thanks for the information.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
96. You're welcome. He had more important things to worry about that missing votes, and as we see....
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:11 PM
Aug 2019

...his constituents were with him, otherwise he wouldn't have been re-elected so many of times.

So easy to bash, more difficult to get to the "why".

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
97. Well those who support other more 'pure' candidates...in a supposedly 'woke' party are
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:06 AM
Aug 2019

getting desperate despite their 'it's too early" and (fill in the blank with someone who was not the nominee) was ahead at this time in (fill in the blank year). But this elections is unlike any in my lifetime.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
93. You do realize that Biden had two brain aneurysms in early 1988 and required brain surgery, right?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:54 PM
Aug 2019

What was his voting record from 1973 through 1987?

PS - he wasn't a Senator from January 20 through March 2009 and most likely those three he "missed" were after January 20.

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brush

(53,764 posts)
88. What drove you to post such "important" information? They're both campaigning for president and...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:30 AM
Aug 2019

Moscow Mitch isn't exactly allowing important bills to the Senate floor.

Just had some time on your hands?

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fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
4. "The candidates' records aren't that far out of line with past presidential contenders."
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:37 PM
Aug 2019

"The candidates' records aren't that far out of line with past presidential contenders."

"Most of the issues that have come up for a vote on the chamber’s floor this year have been procedural matters or votes to confirm Trump administration judges or appointees. And it appears none of the Democratic candidates would have changed the outcome of votes they missed in the GOP-held Senate."

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at140

(6,110 posts)
10. You know why I prefer Warren?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:44 PM
Aug 2019

Because she has a solid core, and has not changed her agenda.
In other words I trust her more than some others whose past record makes me difficult to trust them.

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
65. Warren is principled and classy. And she only missed 28.2% votes in 2019 despite campaigning hard.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:30 PM
Aug 2019

She is amazing. Klobuchar only missed 22.9%.

Harris and Booker are total slackers in comparison.

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tblue37

(65,328 posts)
14. You know that if their votes would have changed the outcome, they *would* have been there. nt
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:08 PM
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still_one

(92,136 posts)
21. True, but they seemed to stand out more from the other Democratic candidates, though, the article
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:23 PM
Aug 2019

say Harris was there for the important votes:

""Overall, the Senate has passed little major substantive legislation in 2019, leading to complaints from senators from both parties. “We have done nothing, zero, zilch, nada,” GOP Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana told reporters earlier this year.
And confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority of 50 votes to pass, which means Democratic senators wouldn’t be able to block Trump’s selections even if their entire caucus was present.
“If voters held the Senate in higher esteem, this might be a higher profile issue, but blowing off an institution that most people don’t respect to begin with is unlikely to move a lot of votes,” said Jack Pitney, a politics professor at Claremont McKenna College. “The things the Senate is voting on these days are not going to be in the history books.”
Harris has returned to D.C. to vote on a number of relatively important bills, including the 9/11 first responders compensation fund, a prohibition of unauthorized military action in Iran, and an effort to block U.S. support for the Saudi war in Yemen (although she and other candidates missed an unsuccessful attempt to override Trump’s veto of Yemen war resolution last month). She’s also attended plenty of hearings, including a grilling of Attorney General Bill Barr in May that won her headlines and social media attention."

Sorry that the article I think is behind a paywall

I meant this as a general discussion though regarding someone running for public office and trying to balance votes.

In addition, very little, as we all know was accomplished in Congress


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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
6. confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority"
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:38 PM
Aug 2019

Overall, the Senate has passed little major substantive legislation in 2019, leading to complaints from senators from both parties. “We have done nothing, zero, zilch, nada,” GOP Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana told reporters earlier this year.

And confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority of 50 votes to pass, which means Democratic senators wouldn’t be able to block Trump’s selections even if their entire caucus was present.

“If voters held the Senate in higher esteem, this might be a higher profile issue, but blowing off an institution that most people don’t respect to begin with is unlikely to move a lot of votes,” said Jack Pitney, a politics professor at Claremont McKenna College. “The things the Senate is voting on these days are not going to be in the history books.”

Harris has returned to D.C. to vote on a number of relatively important bills, including the 9/11 first responders compensation fund, a prohibition of unauthorized military action in Iran, and an effort to block U.S. support for the Saudi war in Yemen (although she and other candidates missed an unsuccessful attempt to override Trump’s veto of Yemen war resolution last month). She’s also attended plenty of hearings, including a grilling of Attorney General Bill Barr in May that won her headlines and social media attention.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
11. Please list the 262 Senate votes in 2019, so we can see what they missed...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:45 PM
Aug 2019

To my knowledge, the 2019 Senate hasn't passed a damned thing of substance. McConnell is blocking almost every bill put forth by the Democratic Congress.

So what are the 262 votes for?

Sid

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
18. I have posted an excerpt from the San Jose Mercury story, in the OP because it dawned on me
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:16 PM
Aug 2019

there might be a paywall

While it doesn't list every vote, it does say she was there for some quite important votes:

"Overall, the Senate has passed little major substantive legislation in 2019, leading to complaints from senators from both parties. “We have done nothing, zero, zilch, nada,” GOP Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana told reporters earlier this year.
And confirmation votes for federal judges and executive branch nominees require only a simple majority of 50 votes to pass, which means Democratic senators wouldn’t be able to block Trump’s selections even if their entire caucus was present.
“If voters held the Senate in higher esteem, this might be a higher profile issue, but blowing off an institution that most people don’t respect to begin with is unlikely to move a lot of votes,” said Jack Pitney, a politics professor at Claremont McKenna College. “The things the Senate is voting on these days are not going to be in the history books.”
Harris has returned to D.C. to vote on a number of relatively important bills, including the 9/11 first responders compensation fund, a prohibition of unauthorized military action in Iran, and an effort to block U.S. support for the Saudi war in Yemen (although she and other candidates missed an unsuccessful attempt to override Trump’s veto of Yemen war resolution last month). She’s also attended plenty of hearings, including a grilling of Attorney General Bill Barr in May that won her headlines and social media attention.




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sinkingfeeling

(51,445 posts)
16. What has the Senate voted on except judgeships? Their votes
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:13 PM
Aug 2019

won't stop any of those.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. The job is what you make of it.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:21 PM
Aug 2019

And didn't Kamala initiate a program in SF to criminalize ditching class?

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
27. Sen. Obama missed 64% of votes in 2008, why are you so critical of him?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:41 PM
Aug 2019
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
31. Obama made POTUS out of it. Senators Harris and Booker . . .
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:49 PM
Aug 2019

Well, I'll let the late great Lloyd Bentsen finish that one.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
35. Why attack current Dems' voting records? Obama missed 64% of votes in 2008.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:52 PM
Aug 2019

Harris is a top tier candidate and has a chance of winning too.



Attacking current democratic candidate's voting % is not a good look.

Senator Obama missed 64% of votes in 2008. Backhand swipes at him are uncalled for.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
41. Do as I say.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:05 PM
Aug 2019

Not as I do.

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
23. There were votes on the California droughts, and other state related issues which Harris was present
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:25 PM
Aug 2019

and Harris was present for the confirmation votes


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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
29. Keto diet is going pretty well, but not losing as much as I'd hoped
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:42 PM
Aug 2019

I’m thinking about intermittent fasting. Has anyone done it?

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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
32. lol
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:49 PM
Aug 2019

...we got a new whole line of Keto pancakes in where I work.

Pancakes and weight loss don't seem to go together.

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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
34. Actually, I've been trying some keto recipes. I made almond pancakes and fat head pizza
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:52 PM
Aug 2019

Maybe I’m indulging in too many keto treats?

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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
42. I've seen some really appetizing recipes
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:05 PM
Aug 2019

...low carb, high fat.

Tricky balance. The trick is to make your brain forget it likes things like sugar to change the way you eat, but if you're just replacing it with similar treats, your brain isn't going to make the major adjustment you need.

The key is to stay within nutritional guidelines and not assume just reducing carbs is going to get you the weight loss you desire.

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mcar

(42,302 posts)
54. I'm about a month in on intermittent fasting
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:23 PM
Aug 2019

I eat between noon and 8 p.m. Haven't lost an ounce (woman of a certain age with thyroid disease ), but it has helped my GERD and I feel much better exercising in the morning.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
38. Sen Obama missed more than 64% of votes in 2008, so why attack current Dems?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:57 PM
Aug 2019

Senators Missing Votes
By D'Angelo Gore

Posted on November 3, 2015

Q: Did Barack Obama and John Kerry miss 60 percent to 70 percent of their Senate votes while running for president, as Marco Rubio claimed?
A: Yes. Obama missed more than 64 percent of votes in 2008, and Kerry missed even more — nearly 90 percent — in 2004.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/senators-missing-votes/

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
40. Supposed to do the job you were elected and paid to do.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:03 PM
Aug 2019

This disqualifies BOTH from running for President.

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Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
46. Then Biden is also disqualified
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:20 PM
Aug 2019

Because he did the same thing when he was a senator. It's hypocritical to judge them and not him, and with the standard you apply it doesn't matter that he is no longer a senator. If it is wrong now, it was wrong then.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
49. And it would have been true in 1988, too, had Biden not left the race so early due to scandal.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:14 PM
Aug 2019
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mcar

(42,302 posts)
55. Then Obama was disqualified from running
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:24 PM
Aug 2019

along with Biden.

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namahage

(1,157 posts)
80. You mean vote attendance for Presidential candidates
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:24 PM
Aug 2019

is NOT an accurate predictor of electability or effectiveness in office?

Hmm. Then I wonder WHY, exactly, such concern all of a sudden regarding those two in particular, while leaving out Sanders and Gillibrand, among others?

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mcar

(42,302 posts)
83. I wonder why too
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:35 PM
Aug 2019
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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
48. The numbers for each more or less coincide with when they entered the race for president.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:12 PM
Aug 2019

No surprise.

Most of the issues that have come up for a vote on the chamber’s floor this year have been procedural matters or votes to confirm Trump administration judges or appointees. And it appears none of the Democratic candidates would have changed the outcome of votes they missed in the GOP-held Senate.


Much ado about nothing.
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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
66. Bad look for a news story: "Kamala Harris is skipping Senate votes while running for president"
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:47 PM
Aug 2019
Harris’ office declined to comment on her attendance record, and Booker’s office did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/18/kamala-harris-cory-booker-president-missed-votes/


Voters will want to know why Harris and Booker are slacking off compared to Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar.
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fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
67. It would be a shame if we had to depend on voters to be informed before they vote. nt
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:07 PM
Aug 2019
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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
76. Well, some candidates might want voters to be kept in the dark about their history while others...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:54 PM
Aug 2019

... are an open book.

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GeorgeGist

(25,319 posts)
60. On the other hand ...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:58 PM
Aug 2019

Moscow Mitch has made Democrats' votes pretty much meaningless.

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
62. 44.3% attendance rate? If my kid did that back in SF, DA Harris would have put me in jail.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:45 PM
Aug 2019

DA Harris sponsored a truancy law in 2010 (Section 270.1 of the CA Penal Code) that criminalized parents with up to 1 year in jail and a $2000 fine.

Nice way to keep a working family together, DA Harris! How the hell is a working parent pay that kind of fine - not to mention sit in jail and risk losing their job - when the average American does not have $400 for an emergency according to recent statistics?

A real champion of social justice there.

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fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
69. How many were jailed or fined? How was the law used?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:11 PM
Aug 2019

Laws have had to be made to keep drivers from texting and net surfing. The outrage!

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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
74. What other state has a truancy law that criminalized parents introduced by a 2020 candidate?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:52 PM
Aug 2019

Harris was not "compassionate" as a DA or AG.

Does the Des Moines Register know? That profile was pure fluff.

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fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
82. TFTFY...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:32 PM
Aug 2019

"What other state has a truancy law that criminalized negligent parents introduced by a former California attorney general who is now a United States Senator running to be president of the United States of America."


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namahage

(1,157 posts)
85. Further fixes...
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:53 PM
Aug 2019

"What other state has a truancy law that criminalized negligent parents introduced by a former California attorney general who won reelection in 2014 by 15 points and who, following a 2.8 million vote victory in 2016, is now a United States Senator with one of the best attendance records in the Senate in 2018 running to be president of the United States of America."

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Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
73. "Obama's campaign points out that Biden missed the most votes if the whole year is considered,"
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:37 PM
Aug 2019

"Obama making less than a quarter of Senate votes....

The Illinois Democrat has missed nearly 80 percent of all votes since September.

The other Democrats in the Senate running for president have missed a high percentage of votes as well.

Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware has missed 68 percent of the votes during the same period, Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut 65 percent and Clinton of New York 63 percent.

Obama's campaign points out that Biden missed the most votes if the whole year is considered, followed by Dodd, then Obama. "

https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/



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Princetonian

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75. Are they running? Can I vote for Barack again?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:53 PM
Aug 2019
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Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
77. Your prefered canidate is running last time I looked.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:55 PM
Aug 2019
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Princetonian

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78. Why did you bring up Barack then?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:58 PM
Aug 2019
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Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
79. Was the Obama campaign correct in their description of Sen. Biden's 2007 attendence record?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:01 PM
Aug 2019

Or did they lie?

"Obama's campaign points out that Biden missed the most votes if the whole year is considered, followed by Dodd, then Obama. "

https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/

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mcar

(42,302 posts)
63. Let me get this straight
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:57 PM
Aug 2019

Harris and Booker have missed some votes in a Senate that has done pretty much nothing but confirm RW judges. And, according to some on this thread, that's disqualifying.

But, Barack Obama missed way more votes when he was a candidate and that's OK because...reasons.

Joe Biden missed more votes when he was an unsuccessful candidate, but it's wrong to bring up his past history or something.

What is the purpose of this other than to smear two good Democrats?

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still_one

(92,136 posts)
64. It is an article from the San Jose Mercury, discusses the balancing act/compromises candidates have
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:06 PM
Aug 2019

to go through when they are members in Congress

The candidates who missed 40-45% of the votes were the following:

Booker
Harris
Gilibrand
Sanders
Swalwell

The remaining candidates who are currently Congress missed less than 30% of the votes.

The article says most votes were procedural, and not much was accomplished because of the polarization of Congress

It also goes on to say that Harris was there for the confirmation votes, the California Fire votes, and other votes that were consequential

I don't think it was meant to be a "smear", but just a discussion of how different candidates balance things

There appeared to be no correlation between how well a candidate did in the polls, verses whether they were present for voting.

Elizabeth Warren appears to be one of the Democratic candidates serving in Congress who was there for about 80% of the votes

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namahage

(1,157 posts)
68. I wonder how people might have gotten that impression.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:11 PM
Aug 2019

Start with the title of the article. I know, I know, not LBN so exact title not needed, but I can see how "Kamala Harris is skipping Senate votes while running for president — and she’s not the only one" might not elicit the same reaction.

Speaking of attendance records, your article also put in this interesting little factoid:

In 2018, Harris had one of the best attendance records in the Senate, missing only 0.3 percent of votes.


So insinuations upthread that she's not "doing the job she was elected for" and "slacking" (which, curiously, was only applied to Harris and Booker but not Sanders and Gillibrand) are patently false.
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Princetonian

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72. You are right: Sanders and Gillibrand are slackers too.
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:32 PM
Aug 2019

But not as much as Harris and Booker.

Warren and Klobuchar are amazing though. The Mercury News is a quality paper.

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fleabiscuit

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84. That's going to leave a mark. nt
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:51 PM
Aug 2019
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ZZenith

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87. Yeah, but how's their spelling?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:22 AM
Aug 2019
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honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
91. In 2018, Harris had one of the best attendance records in the Senate
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:43 PM
Aug 2019

From the article...

In 2018, Harris had one of the best attendance records in the Senate, missing only 0.3 percent of votes.

Missing votes during a campaign is normal and a necessity. If she missed something critical, which sounds like she didnt, then that would be another issue.
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