While I'm not a Warren partisan I resent the shot Susan Sarandon took at her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Sarandon is a malignant force who has no place in our primary.

[George II]

1. That comment was entirely unnecessary. It's like deja vu all over again.

[brush]

2. You are so right. She is a malignant force, a fifth columnist within the party.

Some nerve and no recognition of, shall we say, negative irony to disparage Warren by hinting that she was once a republican when Sanders was once an Independent then a Democrat then an Independent, and now what?

[honest.abe]

3. I know. I am sick of people like her.

Completely clueless about what is at stake.

[Eyeball_Kid]

4. Sarandon deserves a pile-on. She takes an uncompromising view

and will tend to press ideology over consensus. But, in truth, there is no ideology. It's an illusion if ideology is framed as the concrete objective, not the general pathway. Sarandon seems to want the concrete objective. She wants her dreams to become real when they will always remain a dream. That's great for coffee conversation, but not so good for the electoral politics of today.

[Zambero]

18. Well said!

I would not rule out the possibility that Sarandon as a skilled actor is also a closet reactionary, reaping in all the targeted tax cuts that wealth affords her. With a purely ideological stance, she can rest assured that none of what she publicly embraces will come to fruition. Best of both worlds: Posing as a "revolutionary" while helping to ensure that none of it ever happens, with hard-fought gains being lost as a result of divide-and-conquer politics. Straight out of the right-wing playbook.

[NastyRiffraff]

36. I have long suspected that Sarandon actually voted for Trump

I can't prove it of course, but it would certainly be in her best financial interest, given his campaign promise of a giant tax cut. As you say, she is a skilled actor, so, Trump-like, she pretended to be for "the people." In her mind (and Trump's), that's the "little people."

She even hinted at a Trump vote a couple of times. She said he would be better than Hillary(!) and that he'd be the cause of "The Revolution" so his election would be a benefit.

I despise her as much as I despise Trump. (That's a lot.)

[Wounded Bear]

42. Whatever. A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump...

so...potayto, potahto.

[Volaris]

39. I'm going to agree with this.

If not for her 'let's make it so shits so fucked up by electing Donald Trump we force the 'revolution' we want'...

There would NOT be little kids in cages right now.

Yes, the end is important...but killing the patient to contain the disease is NOT how modern medicine (or politics) are practiced.

And if she thinks she has something to say, she should have the spine to throw her hat in the ring and make her case. She can run for Congress just like anyone else. Sniping from the sidelines like this pisses me off.

[B Stieg]

5. An aging actor trying to stay relevant...

And it has brought her several voice-over commercials (Tylenol) but hasn't helped the nation in the least.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. And she should stick to acting. She's pretty good at it.

Actors have the same right to express their opinions as anyone else, but Sarandon is an idiot and I have also have the right to express my opinion about her. What's really wrong is that she is acting as a spokesperson for a candidate, and she reflects badly on that candidate.

[The Mouth]

59. And that people give any weight to an actor

or other "celebrity" than they would to the person sitting next to them at work or the bus stop.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

60. Exactly. With the exception of a few who seriously study government

and politics, actors aren't experts and their opinions aren't any more valuable than those of random people on the street - but because celebrities are worshipped in this society, too many people think their opinions are important and valuable.

[Mike 03]

6. I support Warren, but it's not even that she made a personal attack against Warren...

She is just generally showing poor judgment in political matters. I find it sad, because I was a huge fan...

[DetlefK]

8. Fuck Susan Sarandon.

[Kaiserguy]

33. No Thanks

[Cracklin Charlie]

9. Doing Putin's work for him.

For free?

[Me.]

10. Malignant Is The Perfect Word

[exboyfil]

11. After 2016 why would anyone seeking the Democratic nomination

even want to be seen with her?

[highplainsdem]

12. I agree. And I'm sorry that Sanders has brought back so many of the spox who were too divisive

in 2016.

[The Genealogist]

13. She was in several films I like

But it has been a while since I have seen any of them, as I can no longer stand her self-righteous, self-imporant, smug, privileged face. Elizabeth Warren might not be my first pick for president, but I believe she would be a fine leader for this country.

[Zambero]

14. A Republican who exits the dark side and doesn't look back is a GOOD thing

And a so-called progressive going out of their way enabling reactionaries to hold office and undo hard-fought gains is REPREHENSIBLE.

[2020Junker]

15. Why does this one person get so obsessed over?

I'll never understand it. Our party has pretty much all of Hollywood behind us. But one actress, whose best acting years are well behind her, says some random thing and people freak out, obsess for years, and can't just learn to ignore her.

Every time I see something about Sarandon online - which is constantly for some reason - all I can think of is, "KHHHHAAAAANNNN!!!"

I get the point. Use her to take well-past tiresome pot shots at Sanders. That's all it's ever really about (talk about tiresome).

If I were Sarandon, I'd be tickled by it. To think she has this dread overlord power over our entire democracy to generate so much attention every time she's in front of a microphone.

I get that people want their chosen scapegoats for 2016 - you can always tell where someone stands based on who they blame. But it's 2019. Just. Move. On.

Anyway. Going to have blueberry cobbler for breakfast. Seems a better use of time than worrying what an actress thinks about anything.

[justie18]

17. Well

She also campaigned for Ralph Nader in 2000 - look how that turned out. She is a malignant force and we know by the numbers what happened in WI, MI, and PA by the Jill Stein totals.

[2020Junker]

22. The Greens or something like them will always exist

In every election. It's a consequence of our two party system. There will always be some bleed off in various directions. And in very close elections, they can tip it.

To constantly bewail them seems entirely futile to me. The sun also rose in the east this morning. I didn't rend my clothes and run out into traffic on account.

We could try to include them more, to staunch that bleed off as much as possible. But some in our party like to bash the "fringe" Left for sport, so that'll never happen. (As if all Greens are somehow crazy radical Leftists. No, most of them are just disaffected from the parties).

I've never voted Green. Never would. But I also don't feel the need for whipping boys and girls within my own coalition. "We're a big tent! Unite! Except for you assholes over there. Eff you!" *Democrats lose* "Whhhhyyyyy didn't you vote for us you evil, horrid people!"

Yeah. Total mystery.

[justie18]

44. Well

You are clearly missing the point. Sarandon actively endorsed Jill Stein and encouraged other Bernie supporters to vote for Jill Stein as she did. Jill Stein's votes in MI, WI, and PA were greater than the difference between Trump and Clinton. As icing on the cake, she said Trump would be a better president than Clinton. And you wonder why members here are not happy with her comments. This site is supposed to be pro-Democrat - is it not?

[still_one]

67. The problem is when a campaign hires people to high positions in their campaign who no only voted

for Jill Stein, encourage others to do likewise, and have no regrets doing so, or at the very least admitting they made a mistake , or an error in judgement, especially after everything the country has been through, that has nothing to do with a “big tent”, or uniting people. It is either their way or screw you

Because of everything they have done and said, there is every reasonable assumption that if their preferred candidate isn’t the one of their choosing they will perform exactly as they have previously, and that is doing everything to undermine and actively work to see the Democratic nominee loses

To ignore the fact that is exactly what they did in 2016, is naive at best

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, and Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those states

It didn’t take much either

Only a fool makes a coalition with someone who vows to destroy you if they don’t get their way

They were a contributing factor to our losing two SC appointments, and putting trump in the WH, and they have no remorse about it, which is one of the big reason there is so much animosity toward them

The bottom line is they cannot be trusted

and they deserve every bit of flack and criticism coming to them

There is no big tent for them, they are not Democrats

[still_one]

70. This is a Democratic forum to support Democrats, not to campaign against them in the GE

And when a campaign hires people to high positions in that campaign who actively worked to defeat the Democratic nominee, and are still proud of those actions, that speaks volumes

[SharonClark]

24. There is no freak out, just reporting

You're new here, maybe you aren't aware that Sarandon bashed the last Democratic nominee and encouraged people to vote for Jill Stein when her candidate didn't win the primary.

My question is why does Sanders continue to have anti-Democrats, like Sarandon, as surrogates?

[bronxiteforever]

34. +1

[ms liberty]

38. Some of us who are long timers feel this way, too

Like me. I've been here since 03. Even counting her distractive behavior in 2016 there is not enough there there to make me feel she and her political antics are anything but a waste of my time. She is not a hugely influential person, she is an actress. Period.
And it is an obsession with some, and it is freaking out, of a sort...there can be zero stories about her in the news but out of the blue, someone here will randomly start a thread titled something like 'Fuck Susan Sarandon'. It would be funny if it wasn't kinda pathetic and annoying.

[BigOleDummy]

41. Well said

I doubt many people at all were/are persuaded to vote for any candidate she choose/chooses just because "Susan Sarandon" said to do so. A distraction drummed into a momentous "event".

[2020Junker]

50. New here doesn't mean new to politics

I'm aware of Sarandon and what she's said in the past.

Doesn't answer my question, however.

At last count, there were at least four threads posted within hours about this actress. And Twitter is alight about it apparently (I don't know, I don't live there. The overwhelming majority of American voters don't).

One actress.

If some Greens like Bernie, so what? He's not my guy this cycle, but. so. what? Maybe he'd bring in some of those voters. I vote Democratic because I think the party is the best vehicle within our system to bring progress to local and federal governments. Note, I said within our system. Our system kind of sucks. Some percentage of people will always, always check out from it. It has always been so in our history. It's not as if third parties are a new object or consideration in our election cycles. They have to be anticipated.

The constant harping reeks of, "The beatings will continue until morale improves." Beat away. But I hope no one is pretending they're engaged in anything productive.

Warren is currently my number two. I admire her greatly, and apparently I should be offended or something. Or outraged. Or should spend a lot of time grousing about Sarandon and Bernie.

Yeah, that's a no for me, dawg. I'm worried about winning elections, not grinding axes. The anti-Bernie infatuation is utterly out of hand in some parts of the party. Every Bernie thread on this board is utterly unreadable and intentionally made so through disruptive behavior. Three years on, still with the obsession over him and all the periphery.

One thing I find incredibly interesting is that the Libertarian party received three times as many votes in the three Wall states we lost than the Green Party. Three times! They are never mentioned. Only Stein, Sarandon, and others are ever bothered with. Almost always women, I would note (interesting, n'est-ce pas?). A lot of social libertarians are liberals. They never get brought up. Nah. Just women who voted Green. Should we just bust out some stakes and get that one over with?

People can flail away. It's unhelpful, but it's a free country.

Sanders is around 2nd place in the primary. Constantly wailing on him is going to disaffect some of his voters. It will turn people off. People who are serious about unity and winning no matter what don't engage in this behavior, IMO.

[RandiFan1290]

49. It really is an obsession and an excuse

I guess it beats dealing with reality.

[BannonsLiver]

51. And what reality is that, that Bernie is in 4th place?

Because I see his few remaining supporters here struggling with that reality every day. Don’t get me wrong, I take great pleasure in observing it, but some find it off putting.

[2020Junker]

53. He is not in 4th place

Most polls have him in 2nd or 3rd. Harris is fading (alas, as she's one of my top three).

We can't just wish things into reality by falsely asserting them.

If you take great pleasure in needling and seeing depressed fellow Democrats, I don't know what to tell you. I don't want any Democrat unhappy. The only Democrat I want to see is an enthused one.

But I suppose you and I are very different people.

[BannonsLiver]

56. The thrill is gone.

Pretending that hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. It’s going to be great fun to watch those realizations unfold.

[2020Junker]

57. You enjoy seeing fellow Democrats depressed

You've made that quite clear now in two separate posts.

I'll keep that poisonous bit in mind in my future readings of the board.

[Cha]

54. 'Cause she has a big stupid mouth and always

on tv peddling her shite..

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[2020Junker]

55. So do a lot of people

No one's holding a gun to anyone's head to listen to an insignificant celebrity.

Also, I don't read Twitter spam.

[bronxiteforever]

58. +1

[Life_Long_Democrat]

16. I like to watch the movie Stepmom

and root for the cancer.

[Politicub]

19. What bugs me is that she'll be fine no matter which way the election goes

It is the very definition of privilege to use ones station in life to disadvantage others.

[3catwoman3]

27. Precisely.

She will not be negatively influenced regardless of who is in the Oval Office.

She can go to hell.

[TreasonousBastard]

68. According to IMDB, she's recently completed 4 projects and has another 5...

in pre-production.

She'll be fine. The problem is that she still has this huge megaphone. And she uses it to tear down, not to build.

[dlk]

20. Poor Susan is Desperately Seeking Relevance

No one cares what she thinks or has to say.

[philly_bob]

21. DU hate fest, again.

No one quotes what Sarandon said, no one discusses the truth value of her statement.

I support Warren, but her route to progressive politics was through her realization that Republican oligopoly and corruption were breaking the free market system. That position is okay with me. That's a valid point.

[SharonClark]

25. The "truth value" of her statement is to point out her hypocrisy

[philly_bob]

30. Hypocrisy? Name-calling is always part of DU Hate Fests.

The background of Warren's policies is important. Again, I am a progressive, but I do not think that Warren's decades-old background as a free-market supporter disqualifies her. I'd like to hear Warren explain this publicly, rather than have her supporters insult those who bring it up.

Old-time DU'ers know, of course, that hatred for Sarandon has its roots in 2016 events and not 2019.

[Oppaloopa]

28. Hillary was a republican once too. No one holds that against her.

[aikoaiko]

35. It came up quite a bit in 2016. And yes some people hold it against her.

Not me.

[Hekate]

37. When she was 16 and the voting age was 21, she followed her father's traditions. By 19 she was a Dem

...for life, working for Dems and voting Dem from age 21 onward.

[comradebillyboy]

61. When she was too young to vote. I doubt if she ever registered

as a Republican. Voting age was 21 in those days and I'm pretty sure Hillary was a Dem when she was eligible to vote. She was 16 when Goldwater ran, five years before she could vote.

[BannonsLiver]

52. Get back to me in the fall of 2020 when she's piling on Warren or whoever the nominee is.

Given that the nominee won’t be BS she will work hard to disparage the nominee just as she did in the fall of 2016.

[Cha]

64. Here's some stupid LIES that SS said, phillybob..

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That's why most here don't give shite what SS said about Elizabeth being a repub how many gd years?

[whathehell]

23. She may be jealous of the fact that SHE isn't the Prigressive "star" anymore

Too bad, Sue.

[oasis]

26. The more we expose, discredit and deflate Sarandon, the less

influence she will have over voters who lean Democrat.

Wherever she pops up, loyal Democrats need to put the hammer down.

[ehrnst]

29. +1000. White wealthy entitlement at its most clueless. (nt)

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[Historic NY]

31. If Bernie hitches his wagon to her I hope he get bombarded.....

Susan Sarandon: ‘I thought Hillary was very dangerous. If she'd won, we'd be at war" Well we end up with a big asshole.....so fuck her.

[aikoaiko]

32. I like Warren a lot and I think it was a very minor dig.

We've seen it here on DU before, too.


Her record after being a Republican is compelling and Democratic.

[BlueMTexpat]

40. Susan Sarandon has

consistently made the WRONG political choices since at least 2000.

She has been dead to me for a LONG time.

[Claritie Pixie]

43. Sarandon gets attention because she's a well-known actress.

Her political chops are zero and anything she says should be ignored.

[jg10003]

45. Enough already about Susan Sarandon. She doesn't matter.

She has no influence at all. There is not one person in the entire country who will change their vote because of what she says. Let it go, there are enough real problems to worry about.

[Sloumeau]

46. I am amazed that Susan Sarandon has the nerve to show her face

after she said that Hillary was more dangerous than Trump. See here:

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/282143-susan-sarandon-clinton-more-dangerous-than-trump

Perhaps she should be regarded as a curse, since the people that she supports tend to end up losing. If not for some decent acting performances, no one would even know who she was.

[Jakes Progress]

47. If she's against. . . I'm for.

If she's for. . . I'm against.

sarandon's endorsement is like an anchor. She is the epitome of a republican elite seeking the cool factor of being Democrat. A phony of very little brain.

[Aaron Pereira]

48. I'm a Warren supporter and not bothered at all.

Democrats are smart enough to realize we all evolve over time and really, who cares what Susan Sarandon says? If anything the fact Warren was once a Republican will help her win moderates in the general election.

[Cha]

66. Yeah, no one buy's SS' stupid dig at EW..

except her fans.

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[philly_bob]

62. Look over the comments in this thread ...

and note how many of them are simply statements that Sarandon should not speak or be listened to.

That is an ugly form of censorship and thought control that should be discouraged in the Democratic Party. It's groupthink.

[Cha]

65. Oh No, phillybob.. SS can LIE all she wants BUT

we have a right to all her out on her stupid LIES.

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If anyone told her to STFU, though.. I understand because her gd big mouth helped rig in trump.

[Blue Owl]

63. Sarandonald

n/t