When BS was criticized in the debate.. he said "I do, I wrote the damn bill."

[Cha]

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[Cha]

1. KICK!

[left-of-center2012]

2. Calling Bernie "B.S."

Some will say "Well, those are his initials".

Others are turned off by it, seeing it as a 'playground taunt'
alienating his supporters whose votes we will need in November 2020.

In my humble opinion.

[Cha]

3. Yep, you got it.. those are BS'

initials and they also got the sentence in the title.

Thanks for kicking the thread concerning what he said in the debate that didn't jive with the facts.

[left-of-center2012]

10. ho hum

[Cha]

13. Great post Kicking the thread!

[NurseJackie]

19. That's not a very flattering commentary about "his supporters".

Why would any BS supporter put more importance in their "feelings" than they would in supporting the party's nominee?

[emmaverybo]

27. Alienating his supporters so they what? Do a write-in? Sit the election out? Now we get black-mailed

into being reverential of Bernie so as to not risk the election?

Over a “schoolyard taunt?” If that is even what the BS moniker is, I’d say Bernie supporters, at least as you characterize them, are incredibly childish spoil-sports with no idea of what’s at stake in this election.

Does not reflect well on BS.

[NurseJackie]

32. For every hour spent trying to cajole, placate and validate a handful of angry BS supporters...

Does not reflect well on BS.

Indeed it does not.

You know... For every hour spent trying to cajole, placate and validate a handful of angry BS supporters who want to blackmail the party, we could instead spend the SAME amount of time and effort to get HUNDREDS of new voters (along with other hundreds of previously disinterested voters, too!)

It just doesn't make sense to waste our time on anyone who will ONLY support Democrats if BS is the nominee. Any efforts to court and flatter any disgruntled and butthurt BS supporters (ie: the ones who threaten to "vote Green" or who threaten to "stay home'') is a fucking waste of time.

Honestly, there are much more productive ways to bring voters and supporters (and volunteers and donors) to our side.

[emmaverybo]

35. Excellent point. NT

[Me.]

4. So Tiresome

Not buying a second of his recent scattershot

[Cha]

6. Was it a "gaffe"?

Alohahoa, Me!

[betsuni]

9. My first thought: if Joe Biden had been wrong about his own damn bill,

we would, again, never hear the end of it. Imagine the headlines. Yet Bernie thinks the press is out to get him!

[Cha]

12. Yeah, some strategy.. on tv

all the time.. but blackout.

Right.. if Biden had been wrong about his "own damn bill that he "wrote.. "..I should know.. I wrote the damn bill."

Mahalo, betsuni!

[Me.]

21. You Know, I Can't Tell Anymore

THere are days when he reminds me of you know who, and who can figure that out.


AlohaHoa to you Cha, some mighty good threads lately

[George II]

5. Bazinga!

So his set-up gotcha line backfired. Say it ain't so Joe.

[Cha]

8. Looks like it.

Good to know these things. Seems like a "gaffe" or something.

Mahalo, George!

[JI7]

7. he also attacked Harris for changing her plan

[mcar]

11. Kick

[betsuni]

14. In that Twitter thread, the Bernie people insist adding something isn't changing the bill.

Because Bernie is the only authentic candidate and authentic means never changing. Therefore, ADDING SOMETHING IS NOT CHANGING IT. New Rule.

[Cha]

16. I know.. I got a whiff

of that.. and promptly paid No attention. It's what they do. lol

[Thekaspervote]

15. Bernie!! the drama of it all... thx for posting

[Amimnoch]

17. Big gaffe

Must be totally disqualifying.

[Cha]

23. lol.. something like that.

[JI7]

26. if only it was a gaffe

it's much worse because it shows his is lacking when it comes to actually getting things passed and how to implement policy.

not much beyond slogans and stump speech.

[Scurrilous]

18. Heh!

[mudstump]

20. BFD

[Cha]

22. Glad you think so.

[OrwellwasRight]

24. Requiring employers to go back to the table to renegotiate

a contractual benefit that the workers won't need any more because now it is being provided as part of a universal plan is not "something extra" or a "special carve-out," it is fundamental contract law. The workers who have a contract should get the benefit of their bargain. And by the way, the workers who don't have a contract should get one, and that requires fundamental improvements to labor law and corporate law.

Plus Bernie, didn't "rewrite" his Medicare for All plan. It's S. 1129, and Booker, Gillibrand, and Harris are all co-sponsors. It has the same text it has had since it was introduced. The WaPo and other outlets reported that he "changed his plan" because they just read his labor plan and only now understand how Bernie proposes to makes unions whole if they forwent wage increases by bargaining for more contributions toward rising healthcare premiums instead.

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I know you won't be convinced. I'm just laying this out for any DUers open to more than one side of an argument.

[Cha]

25. omg.. Sirota has no cred here.

[OrwellwasRight]

28. omg that would be a relevant comment

if Sirota were the only person whose opinion supported my own. He's not.

[Cha]

29. yeah, but that jill stein

advocator during the GE ruins everything.

[OrwellwasRight]

37. Talk about a non-sequitur.

And please, I did not vote for Jill Stein, so you can stop your unfounded accusations right now. Have a good day.

[Cha]

39. I did Not accuse you of "voting for stein.. " So

you can stop putting words in my mouth.

[thesquanderer]

42. I don't like Sirota either, but the facts in OrwellwasRight's post are correct.

The only "special carveout" here is, if union members negotiated healthcare as part of their compensation, and MFA means that the employer is no longer paying for that healthcare, that employer savings must somehow be passed back to the employees, so that the value of what the employees negotiated is not diminished.

This is fact checked very clearly by Politico at this link.

[DrToast]

30. Fact Check

When he was criticized in the debate for not knowing for sure if his plan would mean better health care for unions, he said "I do, I wrote the damn bill." -The Catstitution

That's....not how I remember it. Let's go to the tape.

As you can see from the video, they were discussing which benefits would be covered for seniors. They weren't talking about unions.

Accordingly, we rate The Catstitution's claim as MOSTLY BULLSHIT.

[mtnsnake]

31. Hey Cha, his name is Bernie Sanders, not BS. Not Bull Shit.

It's obvious why a few of you insist on referring to him as "BS" all the time because of what those two initials often stand for in everyday street language, which is "Bull Shit" and you know it and you think it's funny.

[Cha]

38. Don't tell me what I think, mtsnake.

[Gothmog]

33. K&R

[Vegas Roller]

34. ...

BS Plans --- Everything for Everyone for votes.

[NYMinute]

36. And unlike naming post offices which passed unanimously

this "damn bill" won't even get out of the committee.

It is just a stunt to introduce something to use in a campaign.

[Joe941]

40. I tire of the bernie bashing.

[Cha]

41. Those are BS' own words.