For Biden supporters

[Andy823]

If drops out for some reason, who do you think he will support?

[redstateblues]

1. Why would he drop out?

[customerserviceguy]

3. Wishful thinking

from the folks who support 5%'er candidates.

[pnwmom]

4. Anyone running could have personal complications that could cause him or her to drop out. nt

[Andy823]

8. Exactly!

I see pretty much the same question being asked if Harris doesn't win.

[pnwmom]

10. Right. You're just asking for who he'd support as a second choice. nt

[Andy823]

11. Thats right

I keep reading how Harris's supporters would go to Biden, which isn't really true, so I wanted to know about Biden supporters. Looks like they don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot! ?

[pnwmom]

14. I think a lot of Harris's supporters would go to Warren, Castro, and Booker. n/t

[emmaverybo]

20. This has been polled. How is it not true? Because you feel it is not? First of all, Biden supporters

are questioning the question. He won’t drop out unless forced. Second, all second and third tier
candidates naturally draw that “who would be your second?” question even though it is still early
days. I would pick Harris. I have had it with extravagant plans and policy proposals.

[Andy823]

34. It has been polled

You can check it out here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/16/once-democratic-field-starts-narrow-bidens-path-may-get-rockier/

[emmaverybo]

37. And then there's this:

If Biden’s level of support has a hard floor of around 30% nationally and in Iowa, then neither Sanders nor Warren can afford to splinter the leftist vote, especially because there’s so little either can poach from the second- and third-tier candidates.

Warren, as of this moment, appears to have more opportunity to broaden her base than Sanders, but that’s only of marginal potential benefit. In last week’s national Morning Consult poll, Warren is the top second choice of both Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg supporters, who have been in fourth and fifth place, respectively, in most surveys. Harris and Buttigieg are moderates compared to Warren and Sanders. (Harris recently told the New York Times that, unlike Warren and Sanders, “I’m not trying to restructure society.” Buttigieg opposes single-payer health insurance and universal free college.) But in that poll, Harris and Buttigieg combine for only 15% of the vote, and only about one-quarter of those voters would jump to Warren — roughly amounting to about a 3-to-4-percentage-point gain. Plus, Biden is the second choice of about one-fifth of the Harris-Buttigieg voters, meaning if those candidates faded, Warren wouldn’t easily make up much ground.

Moreover, neither Sanders nor Warren could immediately claim the entirety of the other’s support if one did drop out. According to the Morning Consult poll, the second-choice of most Sanders supporters is not Warren, but Biden. About a quarter of Sanders supporters would shift to Warren, presumably because of their ideological proximity. But almost one-third would go to Biden, evidence that ideology is not the only factor driving voter decisions. (For Warren supporters, Sanders is the top second choice, with 25%. But 22% would go to Harris and another 17% would go to Biden.) Demographic appeal and electability concerns are also likely factors.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/12/not_enough_room_in_2020_primary_for_sanders_and_warren_140987.html

[Andy823]

25. Why would any candidate drop out

Anything could come up.

[SCVDem]

2. What in the hell

Kind of question is that?

Seems like semi troll.

[namahage]

5. Probably a response to this one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253797

[SCVDem]

7. Just as bad.

It's too early to ask about our front runners.

[cwydro]

21. I don't think so.

Why not have discussion?

If you’re that defensive about him, well...

[Andy823]

12. Are you calling me a troll? nt

[SCVDem]

32. No

The question struck me as troll light.

People cannot support their candidate without disparaging the others.

Biden is especially a target of friendly fire.

The enemy is the KGOP!

[Andy823]

41. Really?

I could say that about a lot of Biden supporters, that instead of posting good things about Biden, they constantly attack Harris. The only person I see get attacked more than Harris is Bernie. Now I am talking about posting hit pieces from questionable sources, not simply simply pointing out obvious short comings.

Every single candidate has baggage, including Biden, and Harris, but the hit pieces that come from right wing sources, or the Gabber lovers, especially coming from people who "claim" to be supporting Biden, or Harris, should not be accepted as "facts" just because the poster claims to be supporting one of those two candidates, and it seems like they are the top two targets of such attacks.

I think Joe is a great person, but I also think he is NOT the ONLY candidate that can beat trump. In the end I will vote for the candidate that wins the nomination, and I don't care who they are, because they are all better than trump. This post was not a hit piece, no matter how hard some are trying to paint it.

[stonecutter357]

6. Jill Stein !

[SunsetDreams2]

15. !

[LongtimeAZDem]

9. Whomever has, in his estimation, the best actual chance of defeating Trump. However,

the lack of other candidates meeting that criteria would likely prevent him from dropping out, short of catastrophe; that's why he got into it in the first place.

[Andy823]

13. For one thing

There are other candidates that can win so your comment really doesn't make sense.

[LongtimeAZDem]

16. I disagree; I don't believe any other candidate we have in the field now can deliver PA, Mi, and WI

Without them, we lose.

[SunsetDreams2]

18. Why do you think ONLY Joe Biden

can win those 3 states?

[LongtimeAZDem]

24. Because the others are too far left, or unlikely to sway majorities there for various reasons.

Warren is great, but too far left on too many issues.

Buttigieg is not experienced enough to overcome Midwestern prejudice.

Harris has made a number of statement about intended policies to disqualify her with those voters, and a woman of color from California, faces the same prejudice as Buttigieg.

Sanders is, well, Sanders.

[SunsetDreams2]

26. PA, MI, And WI have been

Reliably blue since the 1992 presidential election up until 2016.

Why do you suppose Hillary, also considered a moderate lost those 3 states in 2016 if your reasoning is the others are too far left?

As for Harris being a woman of color, Barack Obama is also a person of color and won those 3 states both in 2008 and 2012.

Sorry, I don’t buy that ONLY Joe can win those states or win the general election.

[thesquanderer]

33. Polls show other candidates beating Trump in those states.

I just posted about this in another thread linked here.

These will be interesting polls to watch between now and Iowa.

[Andy823]

42. Yes and things will change

but in the end the person who gets the nomination, whoever that may be, will end up with the full support of Democrats come election time. They WILL be able to beat trump if we get the voters out. Biden may be the the best one right now to beat trump by a large margin, but if another candidate takes the lead, they will see their numbers go up when it comes to beating trump.

[demmiblue]

29. Warren would take Michigan easily.

Women rocked here in 2018 (and dems went for Sanders in 2016).

Election was slam dunk for women in Michigan

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/11/07/women-voters-2018-midterm-election/1894384002/

Obama also killed it here in 2008 by 16/17 percentage points.

I don't know where some of y'all come up with your talking points.

2016 was a one-off.

[Thekaspervote]

38. Indeed.. 2018 was a good year for women in Michigan

Presidential races..a whole different thing

Here’s a Michigan state democratic primary poll from mid July

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/michigan/

[demmiblue]

40. Meh, I don't follow polls this far out (didn't even click the link).

Look at what happened to the polls regarding Clinton and Obama during the primaries.

They are completely meaningless right now.

And, yes, Warren would defeat Trump in Michigan.

[Andy823]

43. I agree. nt.

And I also wonder where people get the idea that none of the women running can beat trump. Polls say other wise, and it's still a long time till the first primary, and things will change.

[Demsrule86]

19. There really are not other candidates that can win the blue wall states...

Sanders is a hail mary...still think it is very very unlikely. Biden is the best choice by...maybe the only choice by far.

[Andy823]

44. Nope! nt

[emmaverybo]

23. Yes. NT

[Demsrule86]

17. I don't care...don't think he will drop out. I would support Sanders as he is the only

one who could win WI...has relationships there 16...not a great shot but our only one.

[LincolnRossiter]

22. Why would he drop out?

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Pretty obnoxious question IMO. If you’re asking who our second choice candidates are there’s a pretty simple way to ask that.

Edit: I misread your question. I honestly think he’d throw his support behind whomever he considered (1) viable and (2) electable. That’s probably Warren. She’s not the most electable IMO (that would be one of the other moderates) but none of them are currently viable for the nomination. Maybe Tom Steyer. I like him and think he and Biden would get along famously.

[highplainsdem]

27. Please delete this OP, so we don't end up with a lot of similar threads:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253852

[Andy823]

28. I already posted to your thread nt

[demmiblue]

30. I don't think he would publicly support anyone.

I think he would wait for the official nominee, and then fully back them/campaign for them.

[egduj]

31. Warren.

[NYMinute]

35. Trump

[JustAnotherGen]

36. This is why I'm undecided

I have a few of the 21 that I have a loud resounding "NO!" to - but other than that -

I'm waiting until after Super Tuesday. That said - my four $250's went to (in order of giving)
Pete
Julian
Joe
Andy

My smaller donations have been -

Klobuchar
Warren


Tiniest
Steyer - I've been on his need to impeach train since he first opened shop.

[JI7]

39. most Biden support would go to Beto Orourke