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BS on SOTU - SMH... (Original Post) George II Aug 2019 OP
"What the president is doing is totally irrational and it is destabilizing the entire country." Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #1
OWATADNCAP* Atticus Aug 2019 #2
Does it count if it is in ALL CAPS? TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #3
WTF Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #4
People seem to think Trump invented tariffs. Bad Bernie!!!!!!! Autumn Aug 2019 #10
President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009. Celerity Aug 2019 #13
Targeted, temporary tariffs torius Aug 2019 #5
absolutely... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #6
i thought the media was "ignoring" Cha Aug 2019 #7
Yeah. Last week he was on Chris Hayes THREE times, CNN yesterday morning, and even.... George II Aug 2019 #8
yeah, I didn't think so. Cha Aug 2019 #14
Maybe they forgot. betsuni Aug 2019 #9
Wow.. Stephen Colbert weighs in! Cha Aug 2019 #15
Whining about media is a "playing the victim card" strategy Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #11
oh yeah. +1 -nt Amimnoch Aug 2019 #12
Thank you! Cha Aug 2019 #16
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
1. "What the president is doing is totally irrational and it is destabilizing the entire country."
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:48 PM
Aug 2019

Context is tough to come by nowadays, I guess.

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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
2. OWATADNCAP*
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:56 PM
Aug 2019

*One Word And Three Acronyms Does Not Constitute A Post.

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TexasTowelie

(112,117 posts)
3. Does it count if it is in ALL CAPS?
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:22 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
4. WTF
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:26 PM
Aug 2019

Tariffs have been proven ineffective. They lead to recessions.

There is a long history of trade wars leading to massive financial calamities.

Targeted and small tariffs can help balance of fairness in some focused industries -- but blanket tariffs are disasatrous.

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Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
10. People seem to think Trump invented tariffs. Bad Bernie!!!!!!!
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 09:22 AM
Aug 2019
We have used tariffs from 1789 to the present. But Bernie!!!!
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Celerity

(43,312 posts)
13. President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 11:22 AM
Aug 2019
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-slaps-tariff-on-chinese-tires-2009-09-11




later on Obama placed tariffs on $250 billion of Chinese goods like solar panels, steel pipes and lawn mowers

and yes, both were large failures, so you are correct on that



Obama got tough on China. It cost U.S. jobs and raised prices

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news/economy/obama-china-tire-tariff/index.html



WTO Rulings Means U.S. Faces Chinese Sanctions Over Obama-Era Tariffs

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2019/07/17/wto-rulings-means-us-faces-chinese-sanctions-over-obama-era-tariffs/#6bde234037bd

The Topline: The U.S. faces financial and trade penalties from China after the World Trade Organization ruled in a long-running dispute that tariffs placed on $250 billion of Chinese goods like solar panels, steel pipes and lawn mowers, by President Barack Obama were unfair. The ruling which has been slammed by the Trump administration raises the stakes in the trade war between Beijing and Washington.

China approached the WTO in 2012 to challenge U.S. tariffs imposed on Chinese goods, including solar panels, which Washington claimed threatened American jobs and businesses because Beijing was subsidizing businesses and state-owned companies.

The WTO appellate body - part of the organization’s dispute settlement arm - agreed that while some Chinese goods were subsidised by the state, it found enough evidence to suggest that the U.S did not correctly calculate the impact of the government support.
US trade representative hit back, accusing the WTO appellate body of undermining its own rules and saying it would work to ensure a “level playing field” and minimise harm to local businesses and jobs.

The U.S. has previously argued that Chinese state-owned enterprises receive preferential treatment through government subsidies, much to the chagrin of trade ministers in the U.S, as well as the E.U and Japan.

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torius

(1,652 posts)
5. Targeted, temporary tariffs
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:40 PM
Aug 2019

are not the same as the mass insanity Trump is doing. Warren and Brown support targeted tariffs as they can be effective.

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myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
6. absolutely...
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:01 AM
Aug 2019

"...one tool you have...if it's done in a rational way in the context of a broad trade policy..."

...not all tariff's are created equal...

...not all presidents creating tariffs are equal...

...not all candidates recommending tariffs are equal...


...if you're looking for the truth, check Bernie out...

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

...


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Cha

(297,144 posts)
7. i thought the media was "ignoring"
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:07 AM
Aug 2019

BS?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Yeah. Last week he was on Chris Hayes THREE times, CNN yesterday morning, and even....
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 08:53 AM
Aug 2019

...on the WEATHER Channel!

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Cha

(297,144 posts)
14. yeah, I didn't think so.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 06:00 PM
Aug 2019
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betsuni

(25,462 posts)
9. Maybe they forgot.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 09:13 AM
Aug 2019

Here's what Stephen Colbert said:

"Bernie went on to explain why he's worried about corporate media saying large corporations own the media in America, by and large, and there is a framework about how the corporate media frame focus on politics. Okay, Bernie, that is ridiculous. I, Stephen Colbert, work for a major corporate media but I'm free form corporate influence and I can say whatever I want. Which reminds me: ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS MERGER OF VIACOM AND CBS, MAY IT LIVE FOREVER."

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Cha

(297,144 posts)
15. Wow.. Stephen Colbert weighs in!
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 06:02 PM
Aug 2019

Mahalo, betsuni!

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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
11. Whining about media is a "playing the victim card" strategy
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 11:03 AM
Aug 2019

which BS uses over and over. He is always a victim, being victimized by the big bad wolf or the evil witch or the demon king ... otherwise he will have 100% support because his policies are soooo perfect.

If not for the bad elements, people would be lining up to pay astronomical taxes, walk to work and leisure and live on PB&J just so that there is free education, healthcare, subsidies, seizing of utilities, F35s and utopia just around the corner. No one will even think of any other candidate and will have memorized BS's stump speech forwards and backwards -- in English, Danish and Swedish.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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