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CNN Forecaster Craps All Over Poll Showing Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Leading Biden
From Mediaite, with video at the link:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-forecaster-craps-all-over-poll-showing-bernie-sanders-and-elizabeth-warren-leading-biden/
On Tuesday mornings edition of CNNs New Day, hosts Alisyn Camerota and John Berman asked an overly-caffeinated Enten to analyze a recent Monmouth University poll that showed Warren and Sanders at 20 percent nationally, one point ahead of Biden at 19 percent.
What does it mean? What does it mean? Enten said, noting correctly that This poll seems to be getting so much press.
-snip-
Pointing to a graphic comparing the four polls, Enten said CNN poll, which was done at the same time as this Monmouth poll, people, same freaking time! Twenty-nine percent for Biden, Fox News taken only about a week before, 31 percent for Biden, Quinnipiac University, done earlier this month, 32.
And then you have 19 here, Enten said, indicating the Monmouth poll. That, my friends, is the definition of an outlier.
Enten also compared polling averages before and after the debates, concluding there was no enthusiasm gap for Biden, and partially dismissed the large crowds that Warren has been drawing.
A very impressive crowd of 15,000 in Seattle on Sunday, but you have to put this into context, Enten said, adding Washington, where Seattle is, to my understanding of the U.S. map, Bernie Sanders won those caucuses 73% to 27%. Its not a representative state in terms of the ideological spectrum, its significantly more to left on the Democratic side.
What does it mean? What does it mean? Enten said, noting correctly that This poll seems to be getting so much press.
-snip-
Pointing to a graphic comparing the four polls, Enten said CNN poll, which was done at the same time as this Monmouth poll, people, same freaking time! Twenty-nine percent for Biden, Fox News taken only about a week before, 31 percent for Biden, Quinnipiac University, done earlier this month, 32.
And then you have 19 here, Enten said, indicating the Monmouth poll. That, my friends, is the definition of an outlier.
Enten also compared polling averages before and after the debates, concluding there was no enthusiasm gap for Biden, and partially dismissed the large crowds that Warren has been drawing.
A very impressive crowd of 15,000 in Seattle on Sunday, but you have to put this into context, Enten said, adding Washington, where Seattle is, to my understanding of the U.S. map, Bernie Sanders won those caucuses 73% to 27%. Its not a representative state in terms of the ideological spectrum, its significantly more to left on the Democratic side.
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CNN Forecaster Craps All Over Poll Showing Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Leading Biden (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
OP
We're still months from the first primaries, but they've been polling for 10 months with Biden
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
#2
Right. The first poll that will really mean something is the South Carolina primary.
brush
Aug 2019
#4
Yes, true, but it is fun and a nice horserace to see who is where going into the fall.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#8
It's not just Enten, it's just about every experience poll analyst. Nate Silver called the poll...
George II
Aug 2019
#3
Democratic pollster John Anzalone and Republican pollster Logan Dobson were unimpressed, too:
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
#5
I'm still surprised that they even released those results, especially with such a small sample size.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2019
#12
philf99
(238 posts)1. It's way too early
To take any of these polls seriously IMHO.
Relax and let's see what happens as we get closer to people actually casting votes
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,916 posts)2. We're still months from the first primaries, but they've been polling for 10 months with Biden
leading the entire time. Maintaining a lead for that long, with two dozen rivals and a few very strong challengers, is impressive.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,743 posts)4. Right. The first poll that will really mean something is the South Carolina primary.
Iowa and NH have nearly all white participants so they don't really reflect the constituency of the whole Democratic Party.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)8. Yes, true, but it is fun and a nice horserace to see who is where going into the fall.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)3. It's not just Enten, it's just about every experience poll analyst. Nate Silver called the poll...
...an "outlier" on twitter this morning (or maybe last night)
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,916 posts)5. Democratic pollster John Anzalone and Republican pollster Logan Dobson were unimpressed, too:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287255551
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=255579
Dobson called that Monmouth poll "useless."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=255579
Dobson called that Monmouth poll "useless."
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)11. Nate Silver has jumped the shark
Furthermore he has been relegated to Nate Bronze.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)6. K&R
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)7. Monmouth should be downgraded to a "D" rated poll - for "dumbass" poll.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,356 posts)9. ...and deservedly so
The poll WAS an outlier; tomorrow's polls will confirm that.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)10. But the m$$$media were soooooo
excited!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)12. I'm still surprised that they even released those results, especially with such a small sample size.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden