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Related: About this forumCEOs claim Biden's brother promised them 2020 candidate would help their companies
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According to sworn declarations contained in a court filing in Tennessee, James Biden told potential partners at two medical services companies that his brother Joe would help their companies land lucrative contracts with the court system.
Executives at Azzam Medical Services and Diverse Medical Management, firms that provide rural healthcare solutions, claim they were told by the younger Biden sibling that his brother would incorporate their healthcare model into his presidential campaign.
The allegations against James Biden are not new, and follow claims that Bidens son Hunter offered access to his father to help Chinese companies establish high-level influence in the US. But the latest accounts go further in establishing that Bidens relatives have sought to profit from his public service.
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In a third declaration, Diverse Medicals former general counsel Mitchell Cohen alleges that James Biden claimed his brothers connections at the Department of Veterans Affairs could help the firm land contracts with the department and, based on his connections with unions, help win contracts with first responders.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/joe-biden-brother-business-promises-executives-claim
This is a news article.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Joe Biden has been framing his arguments in the healthcare debate a certain way. This very well may be it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Hmmm. Not a good look.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)"The allegations do not include any claims that Joe Biden knew anything of the claims his brother is alleged to have made."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)The allegations against James Biden are not new, and follow claims that Bidens son Hunter offered access to his father to help Chinese companies establish high-level influence in the US. But the latest accounts go further in establishing that Bidens relatives have sought to profit from his public service.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/joe-biden-brother-business-promises-executives-claim
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)
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emulatorloo
(44,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)It never stops and she is not even running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Is the root of the obsession money, power, or some weird ideology or mindset? How do you get people to exhibit so much hate for someone who has spent their life trying to improve the actual lives of actual other people?
Taking big picture here, I will never understand their need to halt any kind of progress to mankind. Somebody, somewhere (actually many someones), spend fortunes of money, and decades of time and effort, to wage war against the betterment of mankind. For what?
I will never understand.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)That seems like a serious charge of corruption. Better be authenticated by reliable sources.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)that paragraph which is in the OP on the post to which you responded to.
It's highlighted in red in the words "offered access."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)"offered access" leads to the New Yorker article about Hunter, but the links work when I try them. shrug:
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)on how the trial ends.
My own gut feeling is, that at the very least the corporate media conglomerates T.V. which haven't covered this issue from what I can tell will most assuredly start covering it if Biden becomes the nominee..
They almost always favor the Republicans and in my book are highly if not most responsible for Trump's rise to power from "reality T.V." to the highest office in the land.
Trump is their creation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)newspapers of record to cover the story, if there is one.
Gossip and innuendo aren't news.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)this story just a few of which are listed elsewhere on this thread post #16 but hardly no T.V. and that's where older Americans primarily get their information, I wonder why that is?
Whether one believes the allegation or not, it's a serious issue, the affidavit filed in court is not gossip.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)The allegation might be a "serious issue", but it doesn't concern the candidate. The attempt to link the candidate himself to the allegation is gossip and innuendo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)reported on this issue.
Here is USA Today and they're not the only one either.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/02/tennessee-businessman-says-joe-biden-brother-conned-him-michael-frey/1898670001/
It may not concern the candidate but we won't know that for sure until the trial is over, the point is T.V. isn't covering this issue at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)and the person being sued is "Joe Biden's Brother".
It's hardly surprising that TV isn't covering a "Joe Biden's brother is being sued in civil court" story.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)what is the absolute worst case scenario that can come from this trial?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)I think the worst thing that can come out of this civil suit is the narrative that a Democratic candidate and his brother are somehow the same person.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)as the result, I believe it's better to have this issue covered now instead of in October of 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)than the one you are saying is very damning to Candidate Biden, and didn't go public until after the election.
You acknowledge that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Or are you saying that Biden's brother might be a high level campaign staffer to Biden, and we don't know it yet? Wishful thinking?
That would be the only way that it would involved/be as damning to Candidate Biden as much as the sexual harassment suit I mentioned involved Candidate Sanders.
And certainly the sexual harassment settlement against Sanders' Iowa campaign lead Rob Becker didn't go public until much later - you acknowledge that, yes? So if something is settled, then no, it doesn't necessarily go public, and won't actually harm a candidate - especially if it doesn't have to do with the candidate, which is the case with Biden's brother.
Here's the question again, for your convenience:
than the one you are saying is very damning to Candidate Biden, and didn't go public until after the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)Biden's brother James, so there is no way to compare as to how "damning" it will be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)if it was senior campaign staff who were creating a hostile environment for women to the point of a $30,000 settlement against the campaign. So, it's wishful thinking. Got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Got it.
I guess a claim about "not knowing" about what one's brother is doing in his business is far less believable than a claim about not knowing about a $30,000 sexual harassment settlement paid out by one's campaign. For some, anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)Got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Got under your skin, I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)"Got under your skin, I guess."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Lots of evasion of the point, and non-answers, then the sprightly "You're AMUSING me" posts when I don't follow the derail or give up as instructed.
Isn't it about time for "I'm done. Peace to you. "
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,053 posts)and I believe you'd have a hard time getting many here to disagree with that statement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)Biden's brother dropped the former vp's name in 2017-2018. Joe Biden was not a candidate at the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)We've never heard that excuse before. From anyone in politics. Especially the President.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Bernie Sanders apologizes, says he didnt know about $30,000 settlement of 2016 campaign staffer accused of sexual harassment."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)It will make people choose someone else -- like Sen Warren and not BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)he is definitely guilty.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Joe Biden can't "fire" his brother, and they have no common business interests. John doesn't work for the Biden campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)The hypocrisy is laughable.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... is not part of, nor does he represent the Biden campaign. Little bit of difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)Biden's brother is not his "staff" or in his campaign
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)His staff can't get any more stupid than that.
11. Interesting, though, that every time one of Bernie's campain staff does something stupid,
he is definitely guilty.
Not saying he is quilty of anything, well perhaps poor judgement hiring them...nothing more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)are you saying that he's not responsible for what his employees say?
I want Bernie to be a better manager.
Bidens' Brother is not Joe's employee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)
doesn't show an understanding of harassment.
And Sanders hired the staffer back - Robert Becker, the lead for his campaign in Iowa, so yes, he personally approved that hire - after he was let go to head up "Bernie for America."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html
Also, Bernie's National Deputy Political Director Arturo Carmona ( yes, Bernie personally approved that hire) who was named in harassment charges, got "demoted up" according to one of the women involved, and then invited to "The Gathering" in December 2018 - long after his victims finally went public, after frustration after no communication whatsoever from Senator Sanders about the harassment after they emailed him about it, that nothing was going to change in the campaign.
So no, Becker and Carmona, who Candidate Sanders personally hired, didn't simply "act stupid" they did something much worse.
I hope that clarifies things for you. No hypocrisy whatsoever - Sanders' staffers actions are not even in the same category as Biden's brother's actions, concering how it connected it is to the candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rurallib
(62,406 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to Vegas Roller (Reply #6)
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EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I'm undecided and this is not a good look from his supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartlandProgressive
(294 posts)I think people pay attention to how close that association is.
doesn't that matter?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Politico
The Guardian
National Review
One America Network
Fox News
Salon
Washington Examiner
Not a single story (from a google search) by CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)OTOH, some of us post tweets from a Daily Wire guy
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)But that tweet wasn't a "news source", was it? Read the thread again.
Now, sir, are you going to follow me from thread to thread and post to post again tonight like you've done in the past?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)it is simply a news org
and your list shows why supporting the guardian is so important, evidently msm has not decided how to spin this
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FoxNewsSucks
(10,428 posts)It's not a good thing when crap sources like OAN, NewsMax or Breitbart are able to take up most of the first page of a news search. Most people don't know they're crap, and will think things are true since most "sources" say the same thing.
I think you're right about the corporate cable channels. They are pushing Biden onto us, and haven't figured out what to do with this story.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
at140
(6,110 posts)I doubt that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)HA Goodman or whatever the fakers name was...as for politico ...yeah it leans right...the far left and the right are teaming up...won't work though....must be getting desperate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)here are some of the latest headlines from Politico today...
"Trade insiders say Trumps botching chances of a China deal"
"Trump backs Brazilian president as he rejects aid for fighting Amazon fires"
"Trump claims to be an 'environmentalist' despite skipping G-7 session on climate change"
"Trump team braces donors for potential recession"
Not very pro-RW I would say.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)However I believe one would be deluding themselves if they believe CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. won't cover it, at some point they will come out with it as well, with perhaps an exception or two.
I didn't even know about this story until today and it's a few weeks old but here are a few more outlets that have covered it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/other/lawsuit-accuses-joe-bidens-brother-and-hedge-fund-manager-of-fraud/vp-AAFn5Sr
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/2019/08/02/joe-biden-brother-jim-accused-fraud-federal-lawsuit/1901987001/
http://www.therepublic.com/2019/08/05/us-jim-biden-fraud-lawsuit/
There are other sites covering it as well on the Internet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
This thread has no Daily Mail link. What does it matter where else the story is if the linked source is legit? It doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)I can no longer in good conscience support Bidens brother for the presidency.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)his son Hunter?
The allegations against James Biden are not new, and follow claims that Bidens son Hunter offered access to his father to help Chinese companies establish high-level influence in the US. But the latest accounts go further in establishing that Bidens relatives have sought to profit from his public service.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/joe-biden-brother-business-promises-executives-claim
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)NT.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)ROFLOL -
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)You can rest assured in general election Republicans will not stay quiet if there are problem areas.
It is best all problem areas be exposed during primaries, so we end up the best nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... or Warren or anyone else.
Red Don has already given the blue print on how to handle "scandals"; give glib factual response and don't talk about it ... it'll die out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary candidate that they want to be the nominee, isn't it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)I noticed very few attacks by GOP on Biden. The worst Trump calls him is sleepy Joe,
but he calls Bernie "crazy" & never lets go by any reference to Warren as "Pocahauntus".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Trump Cant Stop Attacking Biden. G.O.P. Strategists Wish He Would.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/politics/trump-biden-2020.html
Trump is trying to turn Bidens gaffes into a major liability
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-is-trying-to-turn-bidens-gaffes-into-a-major-liability/2019/08/13/07bee6c4-bde5-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html
Trump vows to revive 'Pocahontas' attack against Warren
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-warren-pocahontas-new-hampshire
GOP taps anti-Clinton strategy to damage Elizabeth Warren early
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article153446694.html
Republicans pray for Bernie as Democratic nominee
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296
Republican strategist Karl Rove says Bernie Sanders could beat Donald Trump in 2020
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020
GOP Rep. McCarthy: Bernie Sanders Has Best Chance To Win Democratic Nomination
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/02/gop_rep_mccarthy_bernie_sanders_has_best_chance_to_win_democratic_nomination.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)of the situation. I guess I have not spent enough time following the news items.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...by Roger Clinton and Billy Carter from their new album: GUILT BY ASSOCIATION featuring James Taylor
https://m.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Bernie thinks they are all corrupt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Source for this claim?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Source for this claim?
I'm pointing out that he doesn't think they are all corrupt, because he has taken donations from them.
You're welcome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The claim was "Medical facility CEO". I don't see any "medical facilities" mentioned there. Do you?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Another donation of $1,000 came from Schiffon Wong, who identifies herself on LinkedIn as the executive director, global evidence and value development at EMD Serono, a company covered on Sanders' list that describes itself as a biopharmaceutical business of Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany in the U.S. Both EMD Serono and Merck are on Sanders' list.
In each instance, the job titles of the donors were provided in non-specific terms -- as "medical director" and "researcher" for McRoy and Wong, respectively. Such descriptors are common in FEC reports and both individuals disclosed their employers, as is required.
Azzam Medical Services, and Diverse Medical Management are the companies mentioned in the OP...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
keithbvadu2
(36,731 posts)When right wingers mention it: Do you mean he is another Jared?
Donald Jr? Eric?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)Jimmy's Beer!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,083 posts)he has no control over his brother.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
napi21
(45,806 posts)Most of the time the fishy story isn't true, but there are exceptions. We'll see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)an outlier poll? And they should have known...if there not out there with the long knives for Biden. I don't trust any of them...read many different articles and somewhere the truth lies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)Will Ukraine now be getting the funding Trump is holding back, or will there be even more shit slung Biden's way?
Honestly, if true, it sucks...but did any of that make it back to Joe Biden? Have not heard anything about that yet?
Trump changed the GOP policy platform for Putin's world view. Ivanka is getting patents from China and the boys are still making foreign real estate development deals. Fucking Jared tried to tout real estate development to the Israelis and Palestinians!
Yesterday's news I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)As to the rest of your questions, I don't know.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Just as there were those chomping at the bit for an indictment of Candidate Hillary Clinton all the way up to election day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)Ironically those same people are squawking loudest about this story being brought up.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Do tell. I love tales about absurd straw men.
I predicted you'd be jumping in attempt to deflect the discussion at some point, when things got uncomfortable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Didn't think so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I thought you'd be showing up with a straw man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Fingers crossed this one gets closer than previous attempts, and gets a increased level of pretense that it's actually a sincere concern rather than than simply another in a long line of stuff thrown at the all in hopes it sticks....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)According to the depo, it looks like they are concerned about a countersuit.
Approximately a month later, Third Friday Fund filed the Florida Lawsuit alleging that DMM breached certain unsecured loan agreements. This claim, however, is the mirror image of Count IV of this lawsuit, in which DMM seeks a declaration that those agreements are unenforceable as a matter of law because they were procured as part of Defendants fraudulent scheme.
As a result, this Court must retain jurisdiction over this lawsuit and enjoin the Florida Lawsuit pursuant to (1) the first-to-file rule and, (2) alternatively, Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 13 because the Florida Lawsuit is a compulsory counterclaim to this action.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden