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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 06:59 PM Aug 2019

CEOs claim Biden's brother promised them 2020 candidate would help their companies



(snip)

According to sworn declarations contained in a court filing in Tennessee, James Biden told potential partners at two medical services companies that his brother Joe would help their companies land lucrative contracts with the court system.

Executives at Azzam Medical Services and Diverse Medical Management, firms that provide rural healthcare solutions, claim they were told by the younger Biden sibling that his brother would incorporate their healthcare model into his presidential campaign.

The allegations against James Biden are not new, and follow claims that Biden’s son Hunter offered access to his father to help Chinese companies establish high-level influence in the US. But the latest accounts go further in establishing that Biden’s relatives have sought to profit from his public service.

(snip)

In a third declaration, Diverse Medical’s former general counsel Mitchell Cohen alleges that James Biden claimed his brother’s connections at the Department of Veterans Affairs could help the firm land contracts with the department and, based on his connections with unions, help win contracts with first responders.

(snip)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/joe-biden-brother-business-promises-executives-claim



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CEOs claim Biden's brother promised them 2020 candidate would help their companies (Original Post) Uncle Joe Aug 2019 OP
Thanks Uncle, the truth be out, imo saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #1
There's a reason... HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #2
"Executives at Azzam Medical Services and Diverse Medical Management..." bluewater Aug 2019 #3
also OKNancy Aug 2019 #4
I imagine the same holds true for his son; Hunter Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #5
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #31
Spreading RW talking points & lies about the Clinton Foundation? are you seriously going to do this? emulatorloo Aug 2019 #41
Thank you, emulatorloo. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #45
But why? Cracklin Charlie Aug 2019 #105
I will never understand either, Charlie. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #126
Is that a reliable source? at140 Aug 2019 #33
The court document pdf is on The Guardian's website of the OP, I just re-posted Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #36
Those links are broken. N/T lapucelle Aug 2019 #57
Correction it's "sworn declarations" that are the court document pdf Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #59
how many of the "sworn declarations" directly involve Joe Biden? N/T lapucelle Aug 2019 #67
What part of the OP or affidavit do you not understand? n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #68
What this has to do with candidate Biden, N/T lapucelle Aug 2019 #70
Possibly nothing, it's an allegation and pending lawsuit, I imagine it depends Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #72
It's an allegation about a person other than the candidate. I trust responsible journalists and lapucelle Aug 2019 #73
I view the Guardian as a responsible site of record and there are multiple others that have covered Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #74
The Guardian is generally not considered to be a newspaper of record. lapucelle Aug 2019 #75
I believe it's as good as the rest and as I stated, they're not the only one that Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #77
It's a lawsuit, not a trial, lapucelle Aug 2019 #81
Why do you believe he is being sued and Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #82
I "believe" that Joe Biden is not being sued. lapucelle Aug 2019 #86
Well I believe there are worse case scenarios than that but just taking your scenario Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #87
A lawsuit doesn't involve a trial. If lawsuits did, we would have known about this one earlier: ehrnst Aug 2019 #89
False, a lawsuit can reach a settlement which happens most of the time or go to civil trial. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #94
OK - noted. However, this lawsuit was far, far more directly involved with a POTUS candidate ehrnst Aug 2019 #95
We don't know anything until it's settled or the trial ends. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #96
We definitely know about the $30,000 harassment settlement against the Sanders campaign. ehrnst Aug 2019 #98
We don't know the full circumstances, result nor the end date of the lawsuit against Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #102
So you're holding out for a connection to Candidate Biden that is more damning than ehrnst Aug 2019 #103
I'm stating the facts as they are known today, period. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #106
Wishful thinking. ehrnst Aug 2019 #107
Projection. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #109
Nope. That's one of yours. Period. ehrnst Aug 2019 #110
Not even close Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #111
Your posts indicate otherwise. ehrnst Aug 2019 #114
The Guardian is most certainly a trusted, responsible news source. whathehell Aug 2019 #108
Their headline is misleading, at best. lapucelle Aug 2019 #121
Right... HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #10
We've never heard that excuse before. From anyone in politics... ehrnst Aug 2019 #104
Guilt by association and meaningless Biden bashing doesn't help BS Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #6
+1 mcar Aug 2019 #7
Interesting, though, that every time one of Bernie's campain staff does something stupid, vsrazdem Aug 2019 #11
BS hired each of those staffers and is responsible for their actions until he fires them.... George II Aug 2019 #14
Candidates do not personally hire all of their campaign staff throughout the country. vsrazdem Aug 2019 #18
They're responsible when the staff screw up Biden isn't responsible when his brother screws up uponit7771 Aug 2019 #46
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #118
Joe's brother.... quickesst Aug 2019 #15
It is HIS staff and the buck stops at his desk Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #49
His upper management staff are Stein voters. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #69
Bernie is the boss of his staff. Raine1967 Aug 2019 #84
Bidens' brother isn't on his campaign staff. And to dismiss sexual harassment as simply "stupid" ehrnst Aug 2019 #90
What you said rurallib Aug 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author emmaverybo Aug 2019 #27
+1 EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #55
I do find it so interesting how an OP about Biden somehow becomes about Bernie Sanders. vsrazdem Aug 2019 #56
It is dependent upon who posts it. nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #62
IKR? ehrnst Aug 2019 #115
Yup. Raine1967 Aug 2019 #80
guilt by association HeartlandProgressive Aug 2019 #117
You mean closely associated - like a candidate's wife? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #120
Interesting that a google search yields the following results in order: George II Aug 2019 #8
Oh, are we skeptical of news outlets all of a sudden? HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #9
We are skeptical of right wing news outlets/sources. In fact, they're frowned upon. George II Aug 2019 #12
Right, right. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #13
Some of us are melman Aug 2019 #23
What's your point, are you now cataloging and indexing all of my posts here on DU? George II Aug 2019 #28
Bazinga! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #50
... Kurt V. Aug 2019 #78
the guardian is not a right wing news org questionseverything Aug 2019 #34
good point. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2019 #101
Politico & Salon are RW? at140 Aug 2019 #35
Salon can fuck off...they bashed Hillary non-stop and helped elect Trump who can forget... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #42
Although I will bow to your judgement of Politico, at140 Aug 2019 #43
Try reading it...you will see a RW bias. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #63
Americans have always been skeptical of outlets tightly aligned with political parties no? tia uponit7771 Aug 2019 #47
Actually I find that interesting as well George but perhaps not for the same reason you do. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #16
The Daily Mail as well. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #19
So what? melman Aug 2019 #25
... sheshe2 Aug 2019 #30
That's it.., LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #20
How about Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #21
Nope. Hunter's out, too. That guy's almost as obnoxious as Bernie Sanders. LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #22
... Scurrilous Aug 2019 #24
DUzy! Lisa0825 Aug 2019 #51
You owe me a new monitor! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #61
Just reading comments on this thread and then your comment..literally, figuratively asiliveandbreathe Aug 2019 #79
..... ehrnst Aug 2019 #91
😂 LOL. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #29
You owe me a new keyboard... ehrnst Aug 2019 #93
I hate primary season. Funtatlaguy Aug 2019 #26
Primaries bring out problem areas of all candidates at140 Aug 2019 #37
... that few people care about in the long run. None of this is going to be a show stopper for Biden uponit7771 Aug 2019 #48
It's interesting how the GOP supports (via attack ads on a rival) or stays quiet about a Democratic ehrnst Aug 2019 #99
yes, an obvious tactic by GOP at140 Aug 2019 #124
I see more attacks on Biden and Warren than I do Sanders. ehrnst Aug 2019 #127
That is very good research at140 Aug 2019 #128
This song dedicated to James Biden..... quickesst Aug 2019 #32
Why would you believe what CEO's of any Medical facility "claim" ? sheshe2 Aug 2019 #38
"Bernie thinks they are all corrupt. " melman Aug 2019 #39
. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #40
Bazinga..... George II Aug 2019 #76
He certainly doesn't think they're all corrupt enough to refuse their $$, I'll give you that. ehrnst Aug 2019 #92
You'll give me what? melman Aug 2019 #112
You challenged Sheshe2's claim that Bernie called all Medical corporate CEOs "corrupt." ehrnst Aug 2019 #113
Nope melman Aug 2019 #116
I was including medical research facilities that definition ehrnst Aug 2019 #119
Zing! treestar Aug 2019 #60
... sheshe2 Aug 2019 #66
When right wingers mention it: Do you mean he is another Jared? keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #44
I'm waiting for Biden's brother to come out with his own beer aeromanKC Aug 2019 #52
Not going to knock him on this one Bettie Aug 2019 #53
I'm going to wait to hear from MSM. I always do that when some info sounds fishy to me. napi21 Aug 2019 #54
The same MSM that breathlessly announced Biden...demise over what has been proven to be Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #64
lol LIKELY VOTER Harris X Aug.23-26: Biden 36%, Sanders 14%, Warren 14%, Harris 6%, Buttigieg 5% stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #58
Terrible. BeckyDem Aug 2019 #65
... NurseJackie Aug 2019 #71
Has James Biden said anything about this? Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #83
The trial is just beginning and I have no doubt James Biden will contest it. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #85
There are those chomping at the bit for a connection to Candidate Biden ehrnst Aug 2019 #100
And those that were hoping the "fbi investigation in to Jane and Bernie Sanders" would materialize Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #122
The Taxes!!!!! Jane in prison!!! Good times Autumn Aug 2019 #125
"Jane in prison?!!" ehrnst Aug 2019 #130
Care to be more specific about who you're referring to? ehrnst Aug 2019 #129
.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #131
Next up, Jill Biden? sheshe2 Aug 2019 #88
Another week of playing 'pin the concern on the candidate..." LanternWaste Aug 2019 #97
How interesting ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #123
 

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
1. Thanks Uncle, the truth be out, imo
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:10 PM
Aug 2019
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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
2. There's a reason...
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:20 PM
Aug 2019

Joe Biden has been framing his arguments in the healthcare debate a certain way. This very well may be it.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
3. "Executives at Azzam Medical Services and Diverse Medical Management..."
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:36 PM
Aug 2019
Executives at Azzam Medical Services and Diverse Medical Management, firms that provide rural healthcare solutions, claim they were told by the younger Biden sibling that his brother would incorporate their healthcare model into his presidential campaign.


Hmmm. Not a good look.
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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
4. also
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:51 PM
Aug 2019

"The allegations do not include any claims that Joe Biden knew anything of the claims his brother is alleged to have made."

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
5. I imagine the same holds true for his son; Hunter
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:58 PM
Aug 2019


The allegations against James Biden are not new, and follow claims that Biden’s son Hunter offered access to his father to help Chinese companies establish high-level influence in the US. But the latest accounts go further in establishing that Biden’s relatives have sought to profit from his public service.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/joe-biden-brother-business-promises-executives-claim


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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)

 

emulatorloo

(44,106 posts)
41. Spreading RW talking points & lies about the Clinton Foundation? are you seriously going to do this?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:19 PM
Aug 2019
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sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
45. Thank you, emulatorloo.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:12 PM
Aug 2019

It never stops and she is not even running.

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Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
105. But why?
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:29 AM
Aug 2019

Is the root of the obsession money, power, or some weird ideology or mindset? How do you get people to exhibit so much hate for someone who has spent their life trying to improve the actual lives of actual other people?

Taking big picture here, I will never understand their need to halt any kind of progress to mankind. Somebody, somewhere (actually many someones), spend fortunes of money, and decades of time and effort, to wage war against the betterment of mankind. For what?

I will never understand.

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sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
126. I will never understand either, Charlie.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:36 PM
Aug 2019
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at140

(6,110 posts)
33. Is that a reliable source?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:25 PM
Aug 2019

That seems like a serious charge of corruption. Better be authenticated by reliable sources.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
36. The court document pdf is on The Guardian's website of the OP, I just re-posted
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:30 PM
Aug 2019

that paragraph which is in the OP on the post to which you responded to.

It's highlighted in red in the words "offered access."

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
57. Those links are broken. N/T
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:01 AM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
59. Correction it's "sworn declarations" that are the court document pdf
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:05 AM
Aug 2019

"offered access" leads to the New Yorker article about Hunter, but the links work when I try them. shrug:

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
67. how many of the "sworn declarations" directly involve Joe Biden? N/T
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:49 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
68. What part of the OP or affidavit do you not understand? n/t
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:18 PM
Aug 2019
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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
70. What this has to do with candidate Biden, N/T
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:29 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
72. Possibly nothing, it's an allegation and pending lawsuit, I imagine it depends
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:36 PM
Aug 2019

on how the trial ends.

My own gut feeling is, that at the very least the corporate media conglomerates T.V. which haven't covered this issue from what I can tell will most assuredly start covering it if Biden becomes the nominee..

They almost always favor the Republicans and in my book are highly if not most responsible for Trump's rise to power from "reality T.V." to the highest office in the land.

Trump is their creation.

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
73. It's an allegation about a person other than the candidate. I trust responsible journalists and
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:54 PM
Aug 2019

newspapers of record to cover the story, if there is one.

Gossip and innuendo aren't news.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
74. I view the Guardian as a responsible site of record and there are multiple others that have covered
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:03 PM
Aug 2019

this story just a few of which are listed elsewhere on this thread post #16 but hardly no T.V. and that's where older Americans primarily get their information, I wonder why that is?

Whether one believes the allegation or not, it's a serious issue, the affidavit filed in court is not gossip.

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
75. The Guardian is generally not considered to be a newspaper of record.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:19 PM
Aug 2019

The allegation might be a "serious issue", but it doesn't concern the candidate. The attempt to link the candidate himself to the allegation is gossip and innuendo.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
77. I believe it's as good as the rest and as I stated, they're not the only one that
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:26 PM
Aug 2019

reported on this issue.

Here is USA Today and they're not the only one either.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/02/tennessee-businessman-says-joe-biden-brother-conned-him-michael-frey/1898670001/

It may not concern the candidate but we won't know that for sure until the trial is over, the point is T.V. isn't covering this issue at all.

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
81. It's a lawsuit, not a trial,
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:35 PM
Aug 2019

and the person being sued is "Joe Biden's Brother".

It's hardly surprising that TV isn't covering a "Joe Biden's brother is being sued in civil court" story.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
82. Why do you believe he is being sued and
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:36 PM
Aug 2019

what is the absolute worst case scenario that can come from this trial?

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
86. I "believe" that Joe Biden is not being sued.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:54 PM
Aug 2019

I think the worst thing that can come out of this civil suit is the narrative that a Democratic candidate and his brother are somehow the same person.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
87. Well I believe there are worse case scenarios than that but just taking your scenario
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:12 PM
Aug 2019

as the result, I believe it's better to have this issue covered now instead of in October of 2020.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
94. False, a lawsuit can reach a settlement which happens most of the time or go to civil trial. n/t
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:58 AM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
95. OK - noted. However, this lawsuit was far, far more directly involved with a POTUS candidate
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:12 AM
Aug 2019

than the one you are saying is very damning to Candidate Biden, and didn't go public until after the election.

You acknowledge that?

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
96. We don't know anything until it's settled or the trial ends. n/t
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:21 AM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
98. We definitely know about the $30,000 harassment settlement against the Sanders campaign.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:45 AM
Aug 2019

Or are you saying that Biden's brother might be a high level campaign staffer to Biden, and we don't know it yet? Wishful thinking?

That would be the only way that it would involved/be as damning to Candidate Biden as much as the sexual harassment suit I mentioned involved Candidate Sanders.

And certainly the sexual harassment settlement against Sanders' Iowa campaign lead Rob Becker didn't go public until much later - you acknowledge that, yes? So if something is settled, then no, it doesn't necessarily go public, and won't actually harm a candidate - especially if it doesn't have to do with the candidate, which is the case with Biden's brother.

Here's the question again, for your convenience:

However, this lawsuit was far, far more directly involved with a POTUS candidate

than the one you are saying is very damning to Candidate Biden, and didn't go public until after the election.



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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
102. We don't know the full circumstances, result nor the end date of the lawsuit against
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:14 AM
Aug 2019

Biden's brother James, so there is no way to compare as to how "damning" it will be.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
103. So you're holding out for a connection to Candidate Biden that is more damning than
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:23 AM
Aug 2019

if it was senior campaign staff who were creating a hostile environment for women to the point of a $30,000 settlement against the campaign. So, it's wishful thinking. Got it.




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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
106. I'm stating the facts as they are known today, period.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:29 AM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
107. Wishful thinking.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:32 AM
Aug 2019

Got it.

I guess a claim about "not knowing" about what one's brother is doing in his business is far less believable than a claim about not knowing about a $30,000 sexual harassment settlement paid out by one's campaign. For some, anyway.


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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
109. Projection.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:37 AM
Aug 2019

Got it.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
110. Nope. That's one of yours. Period.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:46 AM
Aug 2019

Got under your skin, I guess.



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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
111. Not even close
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:56 AM
Aug 2019


"Got under your skin, I guess."







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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
114. Your posts indicate otherwise.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:33 AM
Aug 2019

Lots of evasion of the point, and non-answers, then the sprightly "You're AMUSING me" posts when I don't follow the derail or give up as instructed.



Isn't it about time for "I'm done. Peace to you. "

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whathehell

(29,053 posts)
108. The Guardian is most certainly a trusted, responsible news source.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:34 AM
Aug 2019

and I believe you'd have a hard time getting many here to disagree with that statement.

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lapucelle

(18,235 posts)
121. Their headline is misleading, at best.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:20 PM
Aug 2019

Biden's brother dropped the former vp's name in 2017-2018. Joe Biden was not a candidate at the time.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
10. Right...
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:14 PM
Aug 2019

We've never heard that excuse before. From anyone in politics. Especially the President.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
104. We've never heard that excuse before. From anyone in politics...
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:26 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
6. Guilt by association and meaningless Biden bashing doesn't help BS
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:58 PM
Aug 2019

It will make people choose someone else -- like Sen Warren and not BS.

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
11. Interesting, though, that every time one of Bernie's campain staff does something stupid,
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:15 PM
Aug 2019

he is definitely guilty.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
14. BS hired each of those staffers and is responsible for their actions until he fires them....
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:26 PM
Aug 2019

Joe Biden can't "fire" his brother, and they have no common business interests. John doesn't work for the Biden campaign.

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
18. Candidates do not personally hire all of their campaign staff throughout the country.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:37 PM
Aug 2019

The hypocrisy is laughable.

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uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
46. They're responsible when the staff screw up Biden isn't responsible when his brother screws up
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:16 PM
Aug 2019
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quickesst

(6,280 posts)
15. Joe's brother....
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

.... is not part of, nor does he represent the Biden campaign. Little bit of difference.

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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
49. It is HIS staff and the buck stops at his desk
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:22 PM
Aug 2019

Biden's brother is not his "staff" or in his campaign

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sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
69. His upper management staff are Stein voters.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:21 PM
Aug 2019

His staff can't get any more stupid than that.

vsrazdem
11. Interesting, though, that every time one of Bernie's campain staff does something stupid,

he is definitely guilty.


Not saying he is quilty of anything, well perhaps poor judgement hiring them...nothing more.
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Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
84. Bernie is the boss of his staff.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:39 PM
Aug 2019

are you saying that he's not responsible for what his employees say?

I want Bernie to be a better manager.

Bidens' Brother is not Joe's employee.


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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
90. Bidens' brother isn't on his campaign staff. And to dismiss sexual harassment as simply "stupid"
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:15 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)

doesn't show an understanding of harassment.

And Sanders hired the staffer back - Robert Becker, the lead for his campaign in Iowa, so yes, he personally approved that hire - after he was let go to head up "Bernie for America."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

Also, Bernie's National Deputy Political Director Arturo Carmona ( yes, Bernie personally approved that hire) who was named in harassment charges, got "demoted up" according to one of the women involved, and then invited to "The Gathering" in December 2018 - long after his victims finally went public, after frustration after no communication whatsoever from Senator Sanders about the harassment after they emailed him about it, that nothing was going to change in the campaign.

So no, Becker and Carmona, who Candidate Sanders personally hired, didn't simply "act stupid" they did something much worse.

I hope that clarifies things for you. No hypocrisy whatsoever - Sanders' staffers actions are not even in the same category as Biden's brother's actions, concering how it connected it is to the candidate.




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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
56. I do find it so interesting how an OP about Biden somehow becomes about Bernie Sanders.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:22 AM
Aug 2019
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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
62. It is dependent upon who posts it. nt
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:20 AM
Aug 2019
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Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
80. Yup.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:33 PM
Aug 2019

I'm undecided and this is not a good look from his supporters.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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117. guilt by association
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:47 AM
Aug 2019

I think people pay attention to how close that association is.

doesn't that matter?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
120. You mean closely associated - like a candidate's wife? (nt)
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:10 PM
Aug 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Interesting that a google search yields the following results in order:
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:11 PM
Aug 2019

Politico
The Guardian
National Review
One America Network
Fox News
Salon
Washington Examiner

Not a single story (from a google search) by CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
9. Oh, are we skeptical of news outlets all of a sudden?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:13 PM
Aug 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
12. We are skeptical of right wing news outlets/sources. In fact, they're frowned upon.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:16 PM
Aug 2019
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melman

(7,681 posts)
23. Some of us are
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:06 PM
Aug 2019

OTOH, some of us post tweets from a Daily Wire guy

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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. What's your point, are you now cataloging and indexing all of my posts here on DU?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:17 PM
Aug 2019

But that tweet wasn't a "news source", was it? Read the thread again.

Now, sir, are you going to follow me from thread to thread and post to post again tonight like you've done in the past?

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questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
34. the guardian is not a right wing news org
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:26 PM
Aug 2019

it is simply a news org

and your list shows why supporting the guardian is so important, evidently msm has not decided how to spin this


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FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
101. good point.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:06 AM
Aug 2019

It's not a good thing when crap sources like OAN, NewsMax or Breitbart are able to take up most of the first page of a news search. Most people don't know they're crap, and will think things are true since most "sources" say the same thing.

I think you're right about the corporate cable channels. They are pushing Biden onto us, and haven't figured out what to do with this story.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
35. Politico & Salon are RW?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:27 PM
Aug 2019

I doubt that.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
42. Salon can fuck off...they bashed Hillary non-stop and helped elect Trump who can forget...
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:19 PM
Aug 2019

HA Goodman or whatever the fakers name was...as for politico ...yeah it leans right...the far left and the right are teaming up...won't work though....must be getting desperate.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
43. Although I will bow to your judgement of Politico,
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:30 PM
Aug 2019

here are some of the latest headlines from Politico today...

"Trade insiders say Trump’s botching chances of a China deal"

"Trump backs Brazilian president as he rejects aid for fighting Amazon fires"

"Trump claims to be an 'environmentalist' despite skipping G-7 session on climate change"

"Trump team braces donors for potential recession"

Not very pro-RW I would say.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
63. Try reading it...you will see a RW bias.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:26 AM
Aug 2019
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uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
47. Americans have always been skeptical of outlets tightly aligned with political parties no? tia
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:17 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
16. Actually I find that interesting as well George but perhaps not for the same reason you do.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:30 PM
Aug 2019

However I believe one would be deluding themselves if they believe CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. won't cover it, at some point they will come out with it as well, with perhaps an exception or two.

I didn't even know about this story until today and it's a few weeks old but here are a few more outlets that have covered it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/other/lawsuit-accuses-joe-bidens-brother-and-hedge-fund-manager-of-fraud/vp-AAFn5Sr

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/2019/08/02/joe-biden-brother-jim-accused-fraud-federal-lawsuit/1901987001/

http://www.therepublic.com/2019/08/05/us-jim-biden-fraud-lawsuit/

There are other sites covering it as well on the Internet.

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sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
19. The Daily Mail as well.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:42 PM
Aug 2019
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melman

(7,681 posts)
25. So what?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:09 PM
Aug 2019

This thread has no Daily Mail link. What does it matter where else the story is if the linked source is legit? It doesn't.

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LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
20. That's it..,
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:44 PM
Aug 2019

I can no longer in good conscience support Biden’s brother for the presidency.

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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
21. How about
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:47 PM
Aug 2019

his son Hunter?



The allegations against James Biden are not new, and follow claims that Biden’s son Hunter offered access to his father to help Chinese companies establish high-level influence in the US. But the latest accounts go further in establishing that Biden’s relatives have sought to profit from his public service.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/27/joe-biden-brother-business-promises-executives-claim




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LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
22. Nope. Hunter's out, too. That guy's almost as obnoxious as Bernie Sanders.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:49 PM
Aug 2019

NT.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
61. You owe me a new monitor!
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:27 AM
Aug 2019



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asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
79. Just reading comments on this thread and then your comment..literally, figuratively
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:29 PM
Aug 2019

ROFLOL -

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
93. You owe me a new keyboard...
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:24 AM
Aug 2019
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Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
26. I hate primary season.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:14 PM
Aug 2019
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at140

(6,110 posts)
37. Primaries bring out problem areas of all candidates
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:30 PM
Aug 2019

You can rest assured in general election Republicans will not stay quiet if there are problem areas.
It is best all problem areas be exposed during primaries, so we end up the best nominee.

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uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
48. ... that few people care about in the long run. None of this is going to be a show stopper for Biden
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:20 PM
Aug 2019

... or Warren or anyone else.

Red Don has already given the blue print on how to handle "scandals"; give glib factual response and don't talk about it ... it'll die out.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
99. It's interesting how the GOP supports (via attack ads on a rival) or stays quiet about a Democratic
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:54 AM
Aug 2019

primary candidate that they want to be the nominee, isn't it?

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at140

(6,110 posts)
124. yes, an obvious tactic by GOP
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:02 PM
Aug 2019

I noticed very few attacks by GOP on Biden. The worst Trump calls him is sleepy Joe,
but he calls Bernie "crazy" & never lets go by any reference to Warren as "Pocahauntus".

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
127. I see more attacks on Biden and Warren than I do Sanders.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 03:41 PM
Aug 2019
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at140

(6,110 posts)
128. That is very good research
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 04:32 PM
Aug 2019

of the situation. I guess I have not spent enough time following the news items.

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quickesst

(6,280 posts)
32. This song dedicated to James Biden.....
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:23 PM
Aug 2019

...by Roger Clinton and Billy Carter from their new album: GUILT BY ASSOCIATION featuring James Taylor

https://m.

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sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
38. Why would you believe what CEO's of any Medical facility "claim" ?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:34 PM
Aug 2019

Bernie thinks they are all corrupt.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
39. "Bernie thinks they are all corrupt. "
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:37 PM
Aug 2019

Source for this claim?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
92. He certainly doesn't think they're all corrupt enough to refuse their $$, I'll give you that.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:19 AM
Aug 2019
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melman

(7,681 posts)
112. You'll give me what?
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:02 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
113. You challenged Sheshe2's claim that Bernie called all Medical corporate CEOs "corrupt."
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:32 AM
Aug 2019
39. "Bernie thinks they are all corrupt. "

Source for this claim?


I'm pointing out that he doesn't think they are all corrupt, because he has taken donations from them.

You're welcome.
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melman

(7,681 posts)
116. Nope
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:43 AM
Aug 2019

The claim was "Medical facility CEO". I don't see any "medical facilities" mentioned there. Do you?






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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
119. I was including medical research facilities that definition
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:54 AM
Aug 2019
One of the individuals who gave to the Sanders campaign is Lynn McRoy, who identifies herself on her LinkedIn page as vice president and global medical lead, breast cancer at Pfizer. She's additionally identified as the breast cancer lead with U.S. Medical Affairs at Pfizer Oncology in an October 2018 press release. Pfizer is among numerous pharmaceutical companies on Sanders' list.

Another donation of $1,000 came from Schiffon Wong, who identifies herself on LinkedIn as the executive director, global evidence and value development at EMD Serono, a company covered on Sanders' list that describes itself as a “biopharmaceutical business of Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany in the U.S.” Both EMD Serono and Merck are on Sanders' list.

In each instance, the job titles of the donors were provided in non-specific terms -- as "medical director" and "researcher" for McRoy and Wong, respectively. Such descriptors are common in FEC reports and both individuals disclosed their employers, as is required.


Azzam Medical Services, and Diverse Medical Management are the companies mentioned in the OP...

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keithbvadu2

(36,731 posts)
44. When right wingers mention it: Do you mean he is another Jared?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:35 PM
Aug 2019

When right wingers mention it: Do you mean he is another Jared?

Donald Jr? Eric?

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aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
52. I'm waiting for Biden's brother to come out with his own beer
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:59 PM
Aug 2019

Jimmy's Beer!!

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Bettie

(16,083 posts)
53. Not going to knock him on this one
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:06 AM
Aug 2019

he has no control over his brother.

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napi21

(45,806 posts)
54. I'm going to wait to hear from MSM. I always do that when some info sounds fishy to me.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:06 AM
Aug 2019

Most of the time the fishy story isn't true, but there are exceptions. We'll see.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
64. The same MSM that breathlessly announced Biden...demise over what has been proven to be
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:28 AM
Aug 2019

an outlier poll? And they should have known...if there not out there with the long knives for Biden. I don't trust any of them...read many different articles and somewhere the truth lies.

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stonecutter357

(12,694 posts)
58. lol LIKELY VOTER Harris X Aug.23-26: Biden 36%, Sanders 14%, Warren 14%, Harris 6%, Buttigieg 5%
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:39 AM
Aug 2019
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Freethinker65

(10,008 posts)
83. Has James Biden said anything about this?
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:38 PM
Aug 2019

Will Ukraine now be getting the funding Trump is holding back, or will there be even more shit slung Biden's way?

Honestly, if true, it sucks...but did any of that make it back to Joe Biden? Have not heard anything about that yet?

Trump changed the GOP policy platform for Putin's world view. Ivanka is getting patents from China and the boys are still making foreign real estate development deals. Fucking Jared tried to tout real estate development to the Israelis and Palestinians!
Yesterday's news I guess.


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Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
85. The trial is just beginning and I have no doubt James Biden will contest it.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:41 PM
Aug 2019

As to the rest of your questions, I don't know.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
100. There are those chomping at the bit for a connection to Candidate Biden
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:59 AM
Aug 2019

Just as there were those chomping at the bit for an indictment of Candidate Hillary Clinton all the way up to election day.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,319 posts)
122. And those that were hoping the "fbi investigation in to Jane and Bernie Sanders" would materialize
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:21 PM
Aug 2019

Ironically those same people are squawking loudest about this story being brought up.

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Autumn

(45,029 posts)
125. The Taxes!!!!! Jane in prison!!! Good times
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:30 PM
Aug 2019




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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
130. "Jane in prison?!!"
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:01 PM
Aug 2019

Do tell. I love tales about absurd straw men.

I predicted you'd be jumping in attempt to deflect the discussion at some point, when things got uncomfortable.




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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
129. Care to be more specific about who you're referring to?
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:00 PM
Aug 2019

Didn't think so.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
131. ....
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:06 PM
Aug 2019

I thought you'd be showing up with a straw man.



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sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
88. Next up, Jill Biden?
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:09 PM
Aug 2019
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. Another week of playing 'pin the concern on the candidate..."
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:35 AM
Aug 2019

Fingers crossed this one gets closer than previous attempts, and gets a increased level of pretense that it's actually a sincere concern rather than than simply another in a long line of stuff thrown at the all in hopes it sticks....

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ismnotwasm

(41,974 posts)
123. How interesting
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:39 PM
Aug 2019

According to the depo, it looks like they are concerned about a countersuit.

The parties in this action explored a variety of business relationships in order to further Plaintiffs’ mission of providing high quality rural health services. Unfortunately, Plaintiffs realized that Defendants had no interest in furthering this mission, had no plans on investing or acquiring their business, and were actually attempting to execute a fraudulent scheme to dilute Plaintiffs and steal their business model. When Plaintiffs saw the Defendants for what they were, they filed this lawsuit.
Approximately a month later, Third Friday Fund filed the Florida Lawsuit alleging that DMM breached certain unsecured loan agreements. This claim, however, is the mirror image of Count IV of this lawsuit, in which DMM seeks a declaration that those agreements are unenforceable as a matter of law because they were procured as part of Defendants’ fraudulent scheme.
As a result, this Court must retain jurisdiction over this lawsuit and enjoin the Florida Lawsuit pursuant to (1) the first-to-file rule and, (2) alternatively, Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 13 because the Florida Lawsuit is a compulsory counterclaim to this action.

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