Tulsi Gabbard goes on Tucker Carlson to bash the DNC. WTF?

[DanTex]

Complaining about the polls used to qualify for the debates.

The poll criteria was decided by the DNC beforehand, does she want them to change it after the fact it to let her in?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/29/tulsi-gabbard-didnt-make-3rd-debate-tells-tucker-carlson-no-transparency/2152483001/

[underpants]

1. Op. Er. Rative.

Plain as day.

[BannonsLiver]

8. +1 n/t

[sharedvalues]

114. More: David Duke supports Gabbard

Link to tweet

[Cha]

133. No sarandon.. sorry Gabbard lost out

fair and square.

I wish we would have never heard her "voice" lying about Hillary.. saying she "..was more dangerous than trump"

Link to tweet

[Princetonian]

13. Are you accusing a former DNC Vice Chair and Iraq War veteran of being a traitor?

Please provide proof of your smear against a Democrat who has been in Congress since 2001. Perhaps you should alert the CIA as well.

[underpants]

50. No. I'm saying that her actions and statements stink of being a Republican operative.

Sorry that's how I see it.

[Rural_Progressive]

66. If it looks like it, acts like it, etc.

Perhaps you'd care to provide an alternative explanation.

[Hekate]

82. You need to do a little more research on the lady. Journalists in her home state did. Links

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287123396

[sharedvalues]

91. Princetonian, welcome to DU!

And again, you’re being so positive about Gabbard.

Personally I find it worrying that she is going on Murdoch’s lying Fox News with white nationalist Tucker Carlson. No Dem should do that. Period. Fox is a cancer on our country. The Murdoch press is a cancer on the country. No patriot should watch Fox and no patriot should go on Tucker Carlson.

[sharedvalues]

93. Wow, Gabbard is being backed financially by pro-Putin forces?

Including an ex RT (Russia Today, English language propaganda) employee??

[pnwmom]

145. Thanks, Hekate! n/t

[Hekate]

148. You are welcome. Once Mahina started collecting this data, I decided to bookmark it and bundle it...

...for use as needed. Tulsi comes off as so very plausible, but she has a backstory that needs to be told.

[pnwmom]

149. She does indeed. n/t

[underpants]

106. Please respond or see post #82

[Hekate]

150. Someone has now been FFR'd...

Not that he was going to reply anyway.

[pnwmom]

144. No more of a traitor than Jill Stein.

Neither of them meets any sort of definition of traitor.

Self-interested, yes. Traitor, no.

[Eliot Rosewater]

102. Are we allowed to call her what she REALLY is?

[sharedvalues]

105. You mean "someone who has embraced homophobia, authoritarianism, and cultism"?

Quoting this article on her:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/11/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-who-you-think-she-is.html

Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Who You Think She Is
From homophobia to Islamophobia to cultism, she is no progressive's dream.

To some progressives, the news Monday that Tulsi Gabbard was meeting with President-Elect Donald Trump for consideration of a position in his administration must have been confusing.

Gabbard’s February 2016 endorsement of Bernie Sanders’ quixotic run for the Democratic nomination for president involved publicly resigning her seat as DNC Vice Chair. Her name has been floated as a possible candidate for 2020. And at a glance, her positions seem in line with the liberal wing of her party.

But a deeper look at Gabbard’s political career shows that she is devoted to attaining power and to the perpetuation of extremist, fringe ideology. She adopts and sheds extremist positions at will, but one thing remains constant: her consistent embrace of hard-right politics.

The 35-year-old Congresswoman from Hawaii was raised in a politically powerful household. Her father, Mike Gabbard, is a well-known firebrand in Hawaiian politics— his most beloved issue is a virulent rejection of homosexuality and gay rights.

The younger Gabbard protested against a bill advocating civil unions during her tenure in the Hawaii Congress, holding up signs decrying the proposition. The bill eventually stalled.

Gabbard replied to a request for comment on her father’s connections with cult leader Chris Butler (more below) in 2004 with an oddly worded email accusing Honolulu Magazine of a homosexual conspiratorial attempt to discredit her father.

[Eliot Rosewater]

107. Yes, and much more...I think she works for a non American actually

[sharedvalues]

109. Stein took money from Putin.

Did you know Jill Stein got paid by Putin to harm Hillary and harm America and it worked, putting Trunp in the White House?

[Eliot Rosewater]

111. And now they are using someone else, yes I knew.

[sharedvalues]

115. Also Rove paid Nader

Rove paid Nader because Nader helped Republicans and harmed America.

[FrankBooth]

2. Using the "it was rigged" playbook

Which is what authentic Democrats always do, right?

[Princetonian]

15. Authentic Democrat Gabbard was Vice Chair of the Democratic National Committee from 2013-2016.

[FrankBooth]

21. Exactly what a DNC official does

Goes on Fox and bashes fellow Democrats. I'm convinced.

[Princetonian]

28. Bashing the DNC is pro forma when complaining and is not the same as bashing "fellow Democrats".

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist.

[FrankBooth]

41. Uh-huh.

Totally legit candidate. I mean, like totally. Legit. Really.

[Princetonian]

45. Yes, unless you are a hyper partisan who attacks Democratic public figures with baseless smears.

[FrankBooth]

54. We totally agree

Tulsi going on Tucker Carlson's show and attacking the DNC instead of rebutting him over his racist demagoguery is completely normal behavior for a Democratic candidate. Totally legit. After all, Tucker is an upstanding journalist of the highest caliber who would never resort to baseless smears on Democrats.

[Princetonian]

58. Then you should denounce every single Democrat who ever appeared on Faux News...

... because none of them ever rebutted that network's racist demogogery either while they were getting their airtime in and that includes those who drew paychecks from Faux News over the years.

[FrankBooth]

60. OK, I denounce every Dem who's ever gone on Fox News

I guess I can understand why Tulsi wanted to run into the loving arms of Tucker. It makes sense, it really does. Definitely easier than hiring staff in Iowa.

[Princetonian]

70. So you denounce former DNC Chairwoman Donna Braziile as well as former DNC Vice Chair Gabbard?

Al Sharpton must be persona non grata too?

[namahage]

75. You mean the Donna Brazile who actually WORKS for Fox?

The one who said that Trump had nothing to do with mass shootings?

Yeah, when she says stuff like this NOW, her past behaviors tend to impress less and less.

[Princetonian]

78. Yes, as other Democrats have.

[JaneQPublic]

3. Russia's favorite Dem candidate

An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.

Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support for Gabbard.

Since Gabbard announced her intention to run on Jan. 11, there have been at least 20 Gabbard stories on three major Moscow-based English-language websites affiliated with or supportive of the Russian government: RT, the Russian-owned TV outlet; Sputnik News, a radio outlet; and Russia Insider, a blog that experts say closely follows the Kremlin line. The CIA has called RT and Sputnik part of "Russia's state-run propaganda machine."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261

[Princetonian]

9. You left out the part where the story said Russians ran 10 stories each on Biden and Sanders.

Does that make VP Joe and Bernie Russia's second "favorite Dem" candidates?

[JaneQPublic]

23. ...

Gabbard was mentioned on the three sites about twice as often as two of the best known Democratic possibilities for 2020, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, each with 10 stories. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren had fewer. In each case, the other contenders were treated more critically than Gabbard, with headlines like "'Don't Run': Vermont Paper Begs Bernie Sanders Not to Seek US Presidency in 2020" and "Sexist much? Biden blames 'conservative blonde woman' for shutdown, 'forgets' Ann Coulter's name."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261

[Princetonian]

46. Mueller's indictment said Bernie was favored by Russian bots and media in 2016 against Hillary.

Do you consider Bernie to be Russia's "favorite Dem candidate" then?

In the same indictment, Mueller noted that Russia attacked Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio while boosting Trump.

[brush]

73. All that just means trump is Russia's favorite. They backed Bernie to thwart Hillary and will back..

whoever is the strongest Dem candidate this time against trump. Not rocket science to see that.

[Princetonian]

76. "Not rocket science" to see neither Bernie or Tulsi is responsible for foreign social media content.

[BannonsLiver]

10. Yeah it's always interesting with her

But I guess as a poster down thread seemed to indicate we’re supposed to forget all that because other candidates have complained too. I’ve never been very good at being willfully obtuse so a hard pass on all of that.

[leftieNanner]

4. I keep saying

She's next year's Jill Stein!

[Princetonian]

43. You can stop "saying" now:"Tulsi Gabbard rules out running as an independent presidential candidate"

Washington Post

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said Thursday she will not run as an independent candidate if she fails to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I will not," the Hawaii Democrat told CNN's Jim Sciutto on "Newsroom." "No, I have ruled that out."

"I'm going to continue to focus on moving our campaign forward, continuing this grassroots campaign, continuing to deliver our message to the American people and ask for their support," she added.

Gabbard failed to qualify for the next Democratic debate in September after making the first two debates. She reached the fundraising threshold, but did not meet the Democratic National Committee's polling minimum to qualify.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287258925

[Autumn]

5. Michael Bennet trashed the DNC over their "stupid and self-defeating" debate rules too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/michael-bennet-platform/596974/

[BannonsLiver]

7. So what?

This thread is about Gabbard.

[Autumn]

11. It's about another candidate thrashing the DNC. Now there are two of them.

Does it bother you that Gabbard isn't the only one trashing them?

[sheshe2]

25. I find her issues about the "debate" interesting because:

Challenger criticizes Gabbard for ducking debate

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is refusing to debate a Democratic primary challenger again this election season, spurring another round of criticism that she’s stifling the democratic election process and not giving voters a chance to hear from her opponents.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/06/30/hawaii-news/challenger-criticizes-gabbard-for-ducking-debate/

To debate or not to debate that is the question~

[Me.]

29. Did He Do So On Fox?

[Autumn]

31. I posted the link. I fail to see how the "where" matters.

[Me.]

32. It Certainly Does Matter

especially Tucker Carlson

[Autumn]

35. Tucker Carlson or the Rachel Maddow show, to me it's still trashing their rules. The where doesn't

matter. YMMV

[Me.]

47. There-in We Differ

And I certainly wouldn't equate Rachel with Tucker Carlson

[Autumn]

51. That's a stretch, I never claimed or even implied they were the same. Does it make

it all better if she trashes the DNC's rules on the Lawrence O'Donnell Show or Rachel Maddow?

[Me.]

59. I Aready Said I Think It Makes A Difference

If you can't see it, then you can't see it.

[DanTex]

94. Of course it matters.

Tucker Carlson is obviously not interested in the fairness of the Democratic debate process. He's interested in helping Trump get re-elected, in this case by pushing the line that the DNC is somehow rigging the primary. Tulsi is smart enough to know this, which means she agreed to let herself contribute to Carlson's pro-Trump agenda because she thought it would benefit her personally.

She also knows that on Tucker Carlson's show, she is free to say attack Democrats in any kind of illogical or conspiratorial way, without getting any pushback, like one would on Maddow. Which is exactly what she did, for example, by saying that the process is "confusing" and "lacks transparency" when in fact the rules are quite clear and were all constructed before the polling period.

[JonLP24]

63. It isn't like MSNBC would ever invite her on

[Me.]

81. ...

“Gabbard, who sparred with Harris during Wednesday night's Democratic presidential debate in Detroit, criticized the cable news network while speaking with MSNBC anchor Yasmin Vossoughian, who asked Gabbard about her 2017 meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad...

"Every time I come back here on MSNBC, you guys talk to me about these issues. It sounds like these are talking points that Kamala Harris and her campaign are feeding you," Gabbard said.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455834-tulsi-gabbard-hits-msnbc-host-suggests-her-questions-come-from-kamala

Tulsi On Morning Joe

https://www.msnbc.com › morning-joe › watch › rep-gabbard-assad-is-not-a...

[Princetonian]

6. She's back from National Guard service? Everyone who did not make the cut is bashing the DNC.

[sheshe2]

128. Delaney

Delaney has.

Link to:

Everyone who did not make the cut is bashing the DNC.

The DNC made the rules. The candidates agreed to those rules when they announced they would run. If a candidate cannot follow simple rules that were clearly stated how can they follow the constitutional laws to govern this country.


You keep bring up that:

She's back from National Guard service

So what? Not sure what your point is.

I am pretty sure the National Guard has rules and regulations that she not only signed on to, yet has the obligation to follow.

''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Fact is she has issues with how the debates are handled, the rules she agreed to.... and yet has refused to debate ANY of her Democratic challengers for her seat. REFUSED. SHE REFUSED DEBATES FOR HER SEAT and only now has an issue about the fairness of the debates.

Go figure.

[NurseJackie]

12. Oh good grief! GMAFB!

Complaining about the polls used to qualify for the debates.

Oh, Boo-hoo!

The poll criteria was decided by the DNC beforehand, does she want them to change it after the fact it to let her in?

I've seen this type of behavior before. It serves no useful purpose (other than her own personal venting and ranting and raving) but it certainly doesn't benefit her campaign or her image. I think she's getting BAD advice from her campaign staff and other advisors.

[BannonsLiver]

16. We'll see if some of the folks here are defending her 6 months from now

I get the feeling this is just the start of something much bigger (and unpleasant). Will leave it at that.

[Princetonian]

40. "Tulsi Gabbard rules out running as an independent presidential candidate"

Washington Post:

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said Thursday she will not run as an independent candidate if she fails to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I will not," the Hawaii Democrat told CNN's Jim Sciutto on "Newsroom." "No, I have ruled that out."

"I'm going to continue to focus on moving our campaign forward, continuing this grassroots campaign, continuing to deliver our message to the American people and ask for their support," she added.

Gabbard failed to qualify for the next Democratic debate in September after making the first two debates. She reached the fundraising threshold, but did not meet the Democratic National Committee's polling minimum to qualify.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287258925

[BannonsLiver]

122. I sure hope so, Princetonian.

Love your posts here but unfortunately we disagree on Gabbard.

[lapucelle]

62. The debate qualification rules are clear and were announced months ago.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is among the many Democratic presidential candidates who did not qualify for September’s debate round by yesterday’s deadline.

Now, she says that the criteria for making the debate stage “lacks transparency.”

Gabbard told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson that “the whole thing gets a little bit confusing and you’ve got to jump way down into the weeds of the numbers and the statistics, but I think the bigger problem is that the whole process really lacks transparency.”

snip===================================================================

Candidates needed to receive donations from at least 130,000 unique donors, coming from at least 20 different states with at least 400 donors per state. And, candidates needed to poll at 2% or higher in at least four qualifying national or early primary state surveys.

It is the latter criterion Gabbard takes issue with. She passed the donor threshold but did not rake up enough qualifying polls with only two, according to FiveThirtyEight.

The DNC mandates that polls must be conducted by any four of 16 different organizations, which include the likes of The Associated Press, Fox News, Quinnipiac University and USA TODAY. More than one poll from the same organization can not count unless they are conducted over different geographic regions

.
snip===================================================================

Gabbard’s campaign has a history of criticizing the debate processes as unfair. . After the first debate in June on MSNBC, Gabbard’s sister took over her Twitter account to complain that the network was biased in favor of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

“They aren’t giving any time to Tulsi at all,” she said in the tweet.

And again the night before Gabbard took the stage in CNN’s July debate, her sister said of the first night of the debate round “If tonight’s debate on CNN is as biased/unfair as last night, the DNC needs to reconsider CNN hosting future debates.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/29/tulsi-gabbard-didnt-make-3rd-debate-tells-tucker-carlson-no-transparency/2152483001/

[NurseJackie]

74. I'm looking for a candidate who impresses me with their presidential demeanor (among other things)

... I have to be honest here when I point out that her demeanor at this point doesn't strike me as being very presidential. All I'm trying to say is that if she's trying to HELP her chances as being seen as a viable candidate, then whatever it is she thinks she's doing... it ain't helping.

These are the challenges and yardsticks that separate the JV from the Varsity players... the boys from the men... the girls from the women... the also-rans from the condenders... and the WINNERS from the CONTENDERS.

This isn't going to be her year. And it looks like this could be her last term too. From what I can tell, she's not likely to be reelected either. She's got a tough road ahead, and she's only making it more difficult for herself. That shows poor judgement in what she's decided for herself, and in the types of advisors she chooses.

[sheshe2]

113. Well.

About Tulsi and fair debates.

Challenger criticizes Gabbard for ducking debate

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is refusing to debate a Democratic primary challenger again this election season, spurring another round of criticism that she’s stifling the democratic election process and not giving voters a chance to hear from her opponents.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/06/30/hawaii-news/challenger-criticizes-gabbard-for-ducking-debate/

To debate or not to debate that is the question~

You can't make this sh*t up!

[George II]

14. Funny how some of the candidates are complaining AFTER they realize...

...that they can't meet the criteria. Why didn't they complain months ago when the criteria were established? I suspect that back then they all thought they would get enough support to meet those criteria. Now that they haven't they're upset. Maybe they should be upset with their own campaigns and policies for not generating enough interest?

[Princetonian]

17. Hope springs eternal. All the complainers should focus on meeting the criteria for October.

[BannonsLiver]

18. Or maybe read the writing on the wall.

[Princetonian]

19. I can't disagree with that. But where do you draw the line? Polling at under 10%?

[BannonsLiver]

20. Every candidate will have their own metrics. It's a deeply personal decision to leave a race.

For some it’ll be the realization that they are pissing into the wind, and won’t come down to any one thing.

[qazplm135]

26. if the best you can is one more percent then me and I'm not even running

then maybe you might wanna reconsider staying in.

[Princetonian]

38. lol... true.

[berni_mccoy]

22. Going on Fox is one thing...

Going on Tucker Carlson is an entirely different thing.

This woman has got to go...

[FrankBooth]

24. I wonder if she had time to rebut Tucker

On his White Supremacy as a hoax POV? Probably not, she had to get in that DNC bashing, much more important, she probably just ran out of time. I mean, what self-respecting Democratic Congresswoman and former DNC honcho wouldn't go out of their way to attack the DNC during the white supremacist prime time hour? Totally normal behavior. Seriously, legit candidate.

[Princetonian]

48. Splitting hairs. She also spoke to the Washington Post to say she will not make an independent run.

[ehrnst]

90. Going on Tucker Carlson is a deal breaker? Well, here's someone else who's "got to go" then.

How about Fox and Friends?

[oasis]

119. Mmmmm. "Yuge" explanation should be forthcoming.

[berni_mccoy]

127. What is your point?

[ehrnst]

134. You wrote:

Going on Tucker Carlson is an entirely different thing.

This woman has got to go...

Does that apply to anyone else than Tulsi Gabbard? Men?

[berni_mccoy]

137. Why wouldn't it?

[ehrnst]

138. Nice evasion.

I guess I have my answer.

Double standard.

[berni_mccoy]

141. I have no idea what you are talking about. You must be confused.

[ehrnst]

142. Not at all.

[Afromania]

27. I had no definable point that I wouldn't vote for a Democratic pres candidate.

Tulsi has set and reset the standard for where the line just about gets drawn. Luckily as a whole we aren't that thoughtless. I won't have to pray that I'm not voting for a double agent Republican in disguise.


edit: sorry to anybody that thought I mean she was a traitor to the country.

[Princetonian]

30. Are you saying you believe Tulsi, a former DNC Vice Chair (2013-16) & Iraq War veteran is a traitor?

[Afromania]

33. I mean Republican in disguise, not the classic sense.

[Princetonian]

36. Name another "Republican in disguise" that has a 100% NARAL and HRC rating and is endorsed by HRC.

[JonLP24]

64. I wish I could rec all your posts in this thread

[Princetonian]

72. Thank you. I deeply appreciate that, JonLP24.

One of my favorite moments during the campaign...because it shows VP Joe Biden appreciates Bernie and does not shun him but rather shows him due respect in public.

Link to tweet

[Afromania]

96. Name another Democrat that seems to have no problem going to/using outlets favored by Nazis.

I don't know what her deal was. I don't care what her deal was. What I know is what her deal appears to be right now. She's decided its a "good" idea to cozy up to with people that hate me. People that would be "ok" with me being returned to nothing more than human chattel. That's a line I find un-acceptable and its a line she seems more comfortable with crossing. Frankly, with the state of this country is in right now. I would rather that anybody claiming to be a Democrat would stay well clear of that scum.

You can give me whatever factlets you want about her past, but as long as she's going to cozy up to "news" outlets that operate as paper thin fronts for bigots, racists and xenophobes of every Stripe. Well as far as I'm concerned she's just going to stay on the other side of the line. That's it..... point blank... done...

[brush]

68. Let's just say she has a bad habit of going on right wing media to bash Dems. She did it several...

time to Obama. She's an apparent DINO considering her cozying up to Assad and her popularity on Breitbart and other repug outlets. Why don't you know this?

[Princetonian]

79. At her 2012 Dem convention speech, DNC Vice Chair Rep. Gabbard praised Pres. Obama & VP Biden.

Then Vice Chair of the Democratic National Committee Representative Tulsi Gabbard gave high public praise to Barack and Joe during her 2012 convention speech. Gabbard has been in the National Guard since 2003 and served honorably in the Iraq War. She, like many soldiers, are loyal to those who have done good for those who have served. I believe Gabbard respects and likes Joe very much. No backstabber here.

'At the 2012 Democratic National Convention, Gabbard praised President Obama, a fellow-Hawaiian, and Vice-President Joe Biden, along with their wives, as “the strongest advocates our military families could ever have.”'

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe

Tulsi showed her loyalty to former VP Joe when she surprised many by fiercely defending Joe after Harris attacked by implying Joe is a racist during the first debate. I believe she helped Joe when no other candidate would defend him.

Some of what Iraq War veteran and National Guard member since 2003 said about Assad:

From her web site:

"There is evidence that both the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad as well as the armed opposition groups aligned against him have used chemical weapons (CW) during the Syrian war."

From video below (8 minutes in):

Anderson Cooper: "Just on a factual basis, Bashar al-Assad is a murderer and a torturer, do you not agree with that?"

Tulsi Gabbard: "I don't dispute that."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234576

Read what else Anderson Cooper said in that interview:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243594

[brush]

84. She might have you fooled but not me. Google the dates she has bashed Dems on FOX. They...

Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:56 PM - Edit history (1)

are way after 2012. She's a DINO.

[Princetonian]

112. Then why hasn't Harris refuted one word? And DINOs do not have 100% ratings from HRC and NARAL.

DINOs do not have 100% ratings from NARAL and HRC, nor are they usually endorsed by the latter.

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist.

Considering Harris has attacked Joe repeatedly by implying he is a racist who "worked with segregationists" during the first and second debates, I find it amusing you judge Gabbard so harshly for allegedly criticizing fellow Democrats - a charge for which you have yet to provide exact quotes in context and impeccable sources.

[brush]

124. DINO and a favorite of Breitbart and Russian bots.

[namahage]

147. Tulsi will have no problem backstabbing Joe when the time is right.

From 1:07:

"Does it bother you that Joe Biden, who's the frontrunner in the Democratic fight right now, voted for the Iraq War?"

"It was the wrong vote. It was the wrong vote. People like myself, Americans across this country who enlisted after those terrorist attacks on 9/11 by al Qaeda, we joined the military to go after those who attacked us, and we were lied to, we were betrayed by those who sent us there, by those who presented this false evidence or believed it without asking those tough questions."

[Maven]

34. ...

[Princetonian]

37. Plant for whom?

[FrankBooth]

39. LOL

Just add water.

[sharedvalues]

99. Long tradition. Just like Rove helped Nader and Putin helped Stein.

Rove paid Nader — to hurt Kerry
Putin paid Stein — to hurt Hillary.

This stuff isn’t hard. Don’t go on Fox. DEFINITELY don’t go on Tucker Carlson, unless you’re doing it to call him a white nationalist anti-American Murdoch-bootlicker. As Rutger Bregman did.

[Claritie Pixie]

42. True colors for all to see. She is shady AF.

[NYMinute]

44. Tulsi is right

The polls in Breitbart newsroom, Syria and Kremlin had her at 92%, 88% and 76% respectively .. but DNC won't consider them for the debate qualification.



This IS sarcasm ... I shouldn't have to use an emoji but ... but...

[msongs]

49. she is being primaried by a highly qualified progressive dem in Hawaii nt

[Princetonian]

52. He seems like a very nice guy from a rival Hawaiian political dynasty.

I wonder if he'll ever be chosen to be Vice Chair of the Democratic National Committee like Representative Gabbard was for three years running (2013-2016) until she resigned?

[msongs]

53. hopefull dems will learn from that experience nt

[Princetonian]

55. At least she never implied the Democratic frontrunner for POTUS is a racist in front of millions...

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist.

"hopefully dems will learn from that experience" at the next debate although I am not holding my breath.

[brush]

65. Maybe one day you will learn that African Americans no longer keep quiet about a candidate...

seeming to fondly reminisce about working with segregationists who called him son and black men boy. Wake the hell up. If Harris hadn't called him out Booker would have.

And she did him a favor as he learned to not tell that story again. If he had continued he'd be steadily losing African American support. He has not told it since and has kept his African American support.

[brush]

85. Oh please. Instead of posting all that just admit Biden and the segregationist story was an...

unforced effor that he never should have even said. Thank god he was called on it and he hasn't lost African American support, of which I am one.

[Princetonian]

88. Why? I was never a fan of blaming the victim and I won't start now.

[brush]

92. You will notice he hasn't told that story again.

[Princetonian]

95. Because he knows many will continue to deliberately ignore context to make nasty gratuitous attacks.

[brush]

98. Please. He stopped because it was weakening his AA support. It's classic Occam's Razor.

[Princetonian]

104. Prove it.

[Princetonian]

97. "Biden said he found common ground with segregationists. SC's Clyburn said he did, too."

Jim Clyburn, the highest-ranking black member of Congress, defended Joe Biden on Wednesday after the Democratic presidential candidate cited his working relationships with segregationist senators as an example of his ability to “bring people together.”

A South Carolina Democrat who serves as the U.S. House Majority Whip, Clyburn said that from his experience coming up in politics as a black man in the Jim Crow South, his only option was to work with white politicians and civic leaders who controlled the system and largely opposed civil rights.

“If I had only worked with people who opposed segregation, I never would have worked with people who were not my color,” Clyburn said, who is 78 and was first elected to Congress at the age of 52.

Clyburn — who first told Politico Wednesday that he worked with the late-U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C., “all my life,” despite Thurmond’s notoriously pro-segregationist platform — later told McClatchy that he has been lucky enough to see some lawmakers evolve in their thinking.

“I said at Fritz Hollings’ funeral, ‘Thank God a man can grow,’ ” Clyburn recalled of the South Carolina’s other long-serving U.S. senator, a Democrat who died earlier this year. “(Hollings) ran for office in 1947 or ‘48 as a segregationist. He left office as a progressive. Thank God a man can grow.”

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article231735078.html

[LanternWaste]

132. I really dig the way you move the goalposts so quickly.

[lapucelle]

143. Why is that statement labeled Rhetoric 101 in quotation marks?

Did anyone actually say that in one of the debates?

[stonecutter357]

56. posts removed !!!

[jcgoldie]

57. Wow!

Somebody's hard at work in this thread!

[LiberalFighter]

61. She is lucky she even got on the stage.

The DNC members could had required a higher standard to qualify.

[IronLionZion]

67. She has been advocating for changes for the last 6 years at least

from back when she was vice chair of the DNC and openly disagreed with Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Shulz's heavy handed approach towards limiting debates in the Dem primaries in 2016. There were more debates in 2008 and 2004. While DWS was clearly supporting Hillary, Gabbard resigned from the DNC position so she could campaign for Bernie Sanders.


Gabbard is a complicated figure and I don't support her for president, but this is not a case of wanting the rules changed because she didn't qualify. She's wanted this for years.

[Celerity]

69. +1

[DanTex]

89. Given that she refused to debate her primary challenger in Hawaii, it's basically impossible

to frame this as some kind of principled pro-debate stance.

Especially since, this time around, her complaining began right about the time it became clear she wasn't going to make the Sept debate.

[Vegas Roller]

71. Last gasp before withdrawing from the race nt

[Hekate]

80. Dear sweet Tulsi was raised to be special by her cult leader. So she is special.

Links to the research on her upbringing have been posted before and as I have them bookmarked I can find them again for those who want.

But what her fans should be asking about now is: why is she talking to Tucker Carlson about this?

ETA: links. https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287123396

[Princetonian]

86. Gabbard's religion is none of our affair.

Listen to Gabbard respond to what she calls "cheap smears" by Harris:

Religious bigotry has no place on this forum or in the Democratic Party.

Denigrating a Democratic Presidential candidate's personal or family life is off-limits for me. You do know Gabbard was Vice Chair of the Democratic National Committee from 2013-2016 and was the first Hindu elected to Congress, right? Her religious practices didn't matter to Democrats then and it shouldn't matter now.

[Hekate]

87. You have not read the research, I can tell. Her religion becomes our business when...

...it underlays her politics and potentially affects the future of our country. See, for instance, Mike Pence and other theocratic Christians. I object to them, too.

[sharedvalues]

100. Yes. Gabbard was/is in an authoritarian cult

She was raised in a cult with a guru at its head.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/11/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-who-you-think-she-is.html

Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Who You Think She Is
From homophobia to Islamophobia to cultism, she is no progressive's dream.

To some progressives, the news Monday that Tulsi Gabbard was meeting with President-Elect Donald Trump for consideration of a position in his administration must have been confusing.

Gabbard’s February 2016 endorsement of Bernie Sanders’ quixotic run for the Democratic nomination for president involved publicly resigning her seat as DNC Vice Chair. Her name has been floated as a possible candidate for 2020. And at a glance, her positions seem in line with the liberal wing of her party.

But a deeper look at Gabbard’s political career shows that she is devoted to attaining power and to the perpetuation of extremist, fringe ideology. She adopts and sheds extremist positions at will, but one thing remains constant: her consistent embrace of hard-right politics.

The 35-year-old Congresswoman from Hawaii was raised in a politically powerful household. Her father, Mike Gabbard, is a well-known firebrand in Hawaiian politics— his most beloved issue is a virulent rejection of homosexuality and gay rights.

The younger Gabbard protested against a bill advocating civil unions during her tenure in the Hawaii Congress, holding up signs decrying the proposition. The bill eventually stalled.

Gabbard replied to a request for comment on her father’s connections with cult leader Chris Butler (more below) in 2004 with an oddly worded email accusing Honolulu Magazine of a homosexual conspiratorial attempt to discredit her father.

[Princetonian]

103. Dubious sources aside, Gabbard has a 100% rating from NARAL and HRC and is endorsed by the latter.

[sharedvalues]

108. "Homophobia, Islamophobia, cultism"

That was the article.

Also Gabbard got dinged by the Human Rights Campaign for several votes in the 114th Congress. Not sure what sources you’re using, but here’s the definitive one, so correct yours, please.

https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/114thCongressionalScorecard.pdf

[Princetonian]

116. Tulsi "is now pro-choice and pro-same-sex-marriage" (The New Yorker, November 6, 2017 issue)

"When Gabbard entered politics, she was only twenty-one, and in those early years she was a social conservative, pro-life and active in the fight against same-sex marriage. She is now pro-choice and pro-same-sex-marriage: on these and other issues, she has evolved..."

Due to her time in Iraq, Gabbard is in favor of a non-intervention approach to foreign policy to prevent another FUBAR. This is why she went to meet Trump and Assad:

"Gabbard agreed to meet with Trump to make her case for a noninterventionist foreign policy. A few months later, she flew to Syria and met with Bashar al-Assad, who is presiding over a brutal civil war; she and he seemed to agree that the United States should not intervene to stop it."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe

She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House.

Tulsi has a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country.

"With the many challenges facing the LGBT community, we're honored to count Tulsi as an ally in standing up for issues of fairness. From her cosponsorship of the Equality Act to supporting marriage equality for same-sex couples and fighting for persons with HIV/AIDS, we applaud Tulsi's commitment to fundamental equal rights for all." - Mike Mings, Director Human Rights Campaign PAC

Tulsi has received a 100% rating for her voting record in favor of LGBT legislation:

H.R.5 Equality Act of 2019 To prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation, and for other purposes
H.R.1244 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to clarify that all provisions shall apply to legally married same-sex couples in the same manner as other married couples, and for other purposes.
H.R 2532 Respect for Marriage Act
H.R.2119 Therapeutic Fraud Prevention Act of 2017, To prohibit, as an unfair or deceptive act or practice, commercial sexual orientation conversion therapy
H.Res.124 — Expressing opposition to banning service in the Armed Forces by openly transgender individuals.
H.R. 1755 Employment Non-Discrimination Act
H.R. 2839 Restore Honor to Service Members Act
H.R. 197 Repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act
H.R. 683 Military Spouses Equal Treatment Act
H.R. 1199 Safe Schools Improvement Act
H.R. 932 Healthy Families Act
H. Res. 549 Designating June 26th as LGBT Equality Day
H. Res. 208 Equality for All Resolution, which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in areas that include credit, employment, education, federally funded programs, housing, jury service, and public accommodations
H.R. 3273 LGBT Data Inclusion Act
Signed the Marriage Equality Amicus Briefs
Advocated for LGBT Housing / Privacy Rights
Advocated to End Bullying and Harassment in Schools
Tulsi signs letter urging President Trump to reverse transgender military ban https://votesmart.org/public-statement/1197627/letter-to-donald-j-trump-president-of-the-united-states-representatives-urge-trump-to-reverse-transgender-military-ban#.XBfzFBNKikZ
H.R. 2282 Equality Act of 2017 which amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity among the prohibited categories of discrimination or segregation in places of public accommodation


Tulsi directly addresses her views on the LGBTQ+ community:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4764183/tulsi-gabbard-lgbtq-record

At a 2012 meeting of Hawai’i Democratic Party LGBT caucus, Tulsi addressed her opposition to same sex marriage in her youth and her complete evolution on this important issue. She openly and wholeheartedly apologizes for her wrongdoing and the harm she had caused the LGBT community, asking for but not expecting their forgiveness.

“On #EqualityDay, we recognize that many LGBT Americans still face discrimination everyday. This is wrong, and defies our American principles of equality, justice, and individual freedom. The #EqualityAct would extend comprehensive anti-discrimination protections to LGBT Americans”

Link to tweet

Of the Pulse Night Club Shooting in 2016: “A year ago the LGBT community suffered deadly mass shooting at #Pulse. We honor the victims & stand against bigotry & hatred #OrlandoUnited” -

Link to tweet

On LGBT Bullying: "I have advocated to end LGBT bullying and harassment in schools. School should always be a safe place for children.”

Link to tweet

Video of Tulsi addressing her views and record on LGBT in NH 12/1/2018

Tulsi speaks on her views supporting LGBT

Tulsi supports Hawai’i Equality March: https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-gabbard-facebook-hawaii-equality-march

Tulsi thanks those helping to fight to pass Equality Amendment:

Link to tweet

Tulsi celebrates LGBT Pride Month:

Link to tweet

Tulsi condemns torture and violent treatment of LGBT in Chechnya:

Link to tweet

Expressions! Interview on how Tulsi came to be such a strong supporter of LGBTQ+ rights: http://archive.is/5DkwH

“Tulsi Gabbard Remains a Committed Ally of the LGBT Community as America Celebrates National Coming Out Day” https://medium.com/@MPMagayon/tulsi-gabbard-remains-a-committed-ally-of-the-lgbt-community-as-america-celebrates-national-coming-4fa8bece8c97

Source: https://activatenow.us/tulsi-gabbard-a-strong-record-of-fighting-for-lgbt-rights-and-equality/

[sharedvalues]

117. "Tulsi met with Trump and Bashar Assad" who she seemed to agree with - Same article

If you had quoted down just two sentences in the same New Yorker article you’d have seen progressives criticize her.

MMany of those Clinton voters were unhappily surprised when, less than two weeks after the election, Gabbard agreed to meet with Trump to make her case for a noninterventionist foreign policy. A few months later, she flew to Syria and met with Bashar al-Assad, who is presiding over a brutal civil war; she and he seemed to agree that the United States should not intervene to stop it.

Earlier this year, a handful of impassioned progressives gathered in downtown Honolulu for an event known as Resist Trump Tuesday, in which they visited their senators and Congress members—all Democrats—and urged them to fight harder. They got a friendly reception at the office of Senator Brian Schatz, and one participant presented some red flowers at the office of Senator Mazie Hirono, who has been battling kidney cancer. But at Gabbard’s office the staffer who met them was wariany of those Clinton voters were unhappily surprised when, less than two weeks after the election, Gabbard agreed to meet with Trump to make her case for a noninterventionist foreign policy. A few months later, she flew to Syria and met with Bashar al-Assad, who is presiding over a brutal civil war; she and he seemed to agree that the United States should not intervene to stop it.

Earlier this year, a handful of impassioned progressives gathered in downtown Honolulu for an event known as Resist Trump Tuesday, in which they visited their senators and Congress members—all Democrats—and urged them to fight harder. They got a friendly reception at the office of Senator Brian Schatz, and one participant presented some red flowers at the office of Senator Mazie Hirono, who has been battling kidney cancer. But at Gabbard’s office the staffer who met them was warier

[sharedvalues]

120. "Gabbard backed Republicans over Dems during Obama admin" Same article

But, once in office, she declined to play the role of reliable ally. Not long after she was sworn in, she joined with Republicans to vote for a short-term spending bill that most of her Democratic colleagues opposed. (She said that she wanted to insure uninterrupted funding for the military.) And in 2015 she went on Fox News and accused the Obama Administration of not recognizing that “Islamic extremists are our enemy.” By then, she was building a nationwide profile: in 2013, the Democratic National Committee had appointed her vice-chair, a role that marked her as a rising star. But, later in 2015, as the Presidential primaries drew near, she called for additional Democratic debates, a position that seemed to put her at odds with the Hillary Clinton campaign

[Princetonian]

101. Unlike "Pence and other theocratic Christians", Gabbard has a 100% rating from NARAL and HRC.

Your alleged "research" has failed to prove anything.

[sharedvalues]

110. False.

https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/114thCongressionalScorecard.pdf

Scroll down to “Gabbard”

[Hekate]

121. You're very devoted to this attractive mole. Good luck with that.

[emmaverybo]

151. Thank you. I am frankly appalled at these attacks on Gabbard. They remind me of

McCarthyism. The religious argument is a bridge too far.

[gulliver]

83. Very disappointing.

She knew the rules going in. She could have complained about the polls then.

[TomCADem]

118. She Is Basically Acting As A Surrogate For Bernie Sanders at This Point

Even though Bernie has complained about the spectacle of having so many candidates on stage, Tulsi Gabbard attacks other candidates and the DNC. Moreover, it is pretty clear that various allies of Bernie launch attacks on the Democratic candidates under Tulsi's name. For example, look at the various kicking and threads amplifying Gabbard's attacks on Kamala Harris. Tulsi can't even qualify for the debates, yet she seems to have an internet army of supporters who are happy to take down every candidate except Bernie Sanders.

If Tulsi Gabbard were a serious candidate, then she would have dropped out once it became clear that she could not qualify for the debates. However, she is not in it to win it. She is just trying to act as a hitman for Bernie.

[sharedvalues]

129. Hitman for Republicans. Like Rove/Nader, Putin/Stein

[customerserviceguy]

123. She didn't make the September debate stage

so she's desperate for attention to get her poll numbers up, even a little bit, to qualify for the October debate. She figures that there are at least enough Fox News watchers who would be willing to lie to pollsters to keep her as a burr under the eventual Democratic nominee's saddle.

It's all she's got at this point.

[redstateblues]

125. Hey DanTex. Good to see you.

[dflprincess]

126. Tulsi is showing herself to be quite a whiner

She's not helping her cause with this behavior.

[Blue Owl]

130. Here's hoping she goes the way of the Gilibrand...

...as in FAR AWAY

[Tarc]

131. There are reasons why my alt-right acquaintances love Gabbard

50% simple ratfuckery
50% "well, at least she opposes the deep-state globalist Clinton agenda" (to which I cannot enough)

I am overjoyed to see the next debate only including the viable candidates. And Andrew Yang.

[SidDithers]

135. Good thread...

Sid

[uponit7771]

136. K&R, ... " on Tucker Carlson ...", why are we putting up with this !?

[Tarheel_Dem]

139. Tulsi knows who her audience is.

[pnwmom]

146. She's hoping some Fox viewers will raise her poll numbers. n/t

[nini]

140. Why does this surprise anyone?

It's her thing after all.

[JI7]

152. was princetonian oberliner ?

there seemed to be that similar obsessiveness with postings.