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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:39 AM Sep 2019

Curb Your Enthusiasms. Biden's the One

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/05/curb_your_enthusiasms_bidens_the_one_141172.html

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It's an iron fact that a vote cast with gusto counts no more than a vote made with detachment. Furthermore, a 23-year-old's vote punches at no greater weight than a 73-year-old's.

So why do so many alleged pros fixate on superficial measurements of the Democrats' support? Here's a theory:

Most of the political media no longer have time for deep reporting. Rallies thus become the go-to events -- as well as cheer levels at debates -- used to assess how a campaign's going. Kamala Harris enjoyed a temporary surge after she aggressively and unfairly attacked Biden for being racially asleep. It was the excitement she stirred that prompted much of the liberal commentariat to immediately declare her winner of the debate and a fast-rising star. Polls now show Biden ahead of Harris by 20 points or more.

The correspondents tend to cluster on the coasts, where activists also dwell and have their ear. Activists are active. If there's an article on Warren or Sanders, note how many of the comments obviously come from their fan bases, if not the campaigns themselves.

Also remarkable is that almost all the talk about the enthusiasm for Warren ignores the considerable lack of enthusiasm for her among African Americans in the Southern states. Sanders does just a little better. White liberals in Iowa and New Hampshire are the voices that dominate. Wonder why.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
1. I'm a Warren supporter ATM
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:48 AM
Sep 2019

but I'll enthusiastically vote for Biden if he's the nominee. I think that what some people are concerned about is that nominating somebody who younger people are "unenthusiastic" about will drive down voter turnout, especially among younger people. However, I think that it it's a shortsighted argument and, hopefully, everybody on the Democratic side can "see the forest for the trees" long enough to go cast a vote for Biden if he's the nominee so we can get rid of Trump. Whatever Biden's shortcomings are, they're NOTHING compared to Trump's and he will assuredly run a much better and humane government than Trump ever will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
2. Excellent question - why are they ignoring the lack of enthusiasm among AAs for Warren?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:55 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
3. ask yourself why that little encounter on the debate stage knocked Biden down at all
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:19 AM
Sep 2019

...it revealed a weakness in commitment to his presidential bid.

A lot of that rift came from the important constituency of black voters, and highlighted that vulnerability with a sharp drop-off in support, however fleeting.

As more voters tune into the election, beyond dedicated political watchers and party regulars, voter scrutiny will increase, and voters' desire for someone new (reflected in our persistently large field of candidates) will challenge Biden's lead in these early polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
4. I don't think so...that was staged and unexpected...Biden campaigned for Harris...I put that
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:57 AM
Sep 2019

in the dirty tricks category ...pictures t -shirts and all. I believe this hurt Harris in the long run way more than Biden. People just don't like this sort of thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,179 posts)
7. Polls now show Biden ahead of Harris by 20 points or more.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:11 PM
Sep 2019

Who knew?!

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DCofVA

(714 posts)
8. Curb Your Enthusiasms!
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:43 PM
Sep 2019

What a great campaign slogan! It’s right up there with “Maybe you have to swallow a little” That will get the voters to the polls for sure!

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
10. An excellent read. Thanks for posting. We know "crowd sizes" and "enthusiasm" don't necessarily...
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 11:27 PM
Sep 2019

translate into votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. Curb Your Enthusiasms. Clinton's the One
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:52 AM
Sep 2019


No Warren isn't an Obama, but Joe isn't a 2008 HRC either.
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DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
13. Sobering to See His Poll Numbers Before Obama Used Him
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:42 AM
Sep 2019

To balance the ticket. Doesn't seem like the enthusiasm ran very deep back then.

Obama shot down advisors who wanted a true partner as Veep, including a unity ticket with rival Clinton.

Here's a quote from a NYTimes article from back in the day explaining it:

"The choice by Mr. Obama in some ways mirrors the choice by Mr. Bush of Dick Cheney as his running mate in 2000; at his age, it appears unlikely that Mr. Biden would be in a position to run for president should Mr. Obama win and serve two terms. Shorn of any remaining ambition to run for president on his own, he could find himself in a less complex political relationship with Mr. Obama than most vice presidents have with their presidents."

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/us/politics/24biden.html

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
14. HRC won IN, MI, NH, OH, PA
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:52 AM
Sep 2019

Obama made the perfect pick choosing Biden.

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elocs

(22,569 posts)
15. But no votes have been cast yet for anyone.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:32 AM
Sep 2019

No horse is in the lead until they all leave the starting gate.

But the Left needs to learn to vote like it's their duty and not need to be enthused and excited and motivated like little children.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
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