Kind of scary for those of us who, you know, actually want the presidency, that Bernie could sweep

[NewsCenter28]

If the Yougov/CBS poll is correct, Bernie is in a position to sweep 3/4 of the first nominating contests. Leading or tied in Iowa, NH, and Nevada is enough to fulfill our worst nightmares and the GOP's wildest fantasies/dreams. If he sweeps 3/4, he probably sweeps to the nomination by Super Tuesday! Certainly, our base knows Bernie is unelectable and will wake up in time to prevent a Dotard 2nd term!!!

P.S: Dems better destroy this guy at the Sept.12 ABC debate!

[Jirel]

1. Oh good lord.

He is as electable as any other Dem. If he sweeps, he has earned it on the strength of his ideas and organizing. Rather than complaining, other candidates should be worrying about upping their game.

[dchill]

26. ,+1.

[Adelante]

28. Oh, yes, indeed n/t

[Farmer-Rick]

30. Oh good lord, the electability connard yet again.

Was Trump considered electable? Ever? Even by his own wife and staff? NO........

I rest my case.

[ehrnst]

31. Organizing? When was that? (nt)

[JudyM]

97. This.

[aikoaiko]

3. You should write a longer post called Fear and Loathing in IA, NH, and NV.

[demmiblue]

21. Lol!

[NCLefty]

4. Which poll?

This?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-battleground-tracker-2020-poll-elizabeth-warren-rises-as-joe-biden-clings-to-delegate-edge/

Says at the beginning: Warren 26%, Biden 25%, Sanders 19% for the "early contests."

[Aaron Pereira]

5. The nominating process is long and I have full confidence in the party's ability to do what's best.

The party chooses in the end.

[floppyboo]

6. Hahaha!!! If you want to believe the polls, there would be no Trump to worry about

if scardey cats actually voted for the issues and not out of fear!

[floppyboo]

7. The most interesting # out of that poll for me was enthusiasm. Go Bernie!

Biden's 3rd is a way back 3rd. And we all should have learnt our enthusiasm lesson!
Happy Birthday Bernie!!!

[BlueMississippi]

23. Pied piper's followers were also enthusiastic nt

[floppyboo]

49. A most unfortunate analogy. DNC leaks Pied Piper Strategy nt

[roody]

70. Lol

[lillypaddle]

8. I'm with you

scary as hell.

[5starlib]

9. Neither Bernie or Warren will win the black vote, so no southern delegates

They'll all go to Biden. Biden might win 100% of the delegates in many southern states. I'm not worried at all.

[Lordquinton]

15. But will they go blue in the general?

[5starlib]

44. Who cares? Talking about delegates

[treestar]

81. That's no reason they should not be counted in the primary

[Autumn]

20. In the primary yes but where will those "southern delegates" be in the GE?

[questionseverything]

45. ikr

it is frustrating that we let states that NEVER go blue in the general election pick the nominee

that is how we lost to trump

at least in part

[floppyboo]

50. Yup

[sacto95834]

55. There are Blues who live in Red States...

They may be loyal to party ideals. They just happen to live in a Red state. Why shouldn't they be allowed a say as to who the nominee should be? Perhaps the # of delegates that are assigned to those states could be adjusted??

[questionseverything]

58. i don't know what the answer is, i just don't want 4 more years of what we got

the importance placed on sc is foolish if we want to win...there is no paper to count in sc, and they have delivered some incredible results in primaries

https://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=8954



Links to The BRAD BLOG's coverage of the 2010 election mystery in South Carolina where, according to the state's 100% unverifiable ES&S iVotronic touch-screen voting systems, the unknown, unemployed, inarticulate Alvin Greene somehow managed to defeat Vic Rawl, a former judge and state legislator for the state's Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate...

• 7/11/10: SC Officials Clear Greene in Filing Fee Probe
• 7/6/10: Exclusive: 'I'm Bulletproof', Rawl Tells BRAD BLOG
• 6/28/10: AP Sees No, Hears No, Speaks No SC E-Vote Failure
• 6/18/10: Rawl: 'Lack of Election Integrity in SC'
• 6/17/10: SHAME: SC DEM PARTY NIXES RAWL'S E-VOTE PROTEST
• 6/16/10: A (Mercifully Brief) History of Recent ES&S E-Vote Disasters
• 6/16/10: Computer Mag 'Luddite' Decries E-Voting in SC Election
• 6/15/10: Clyburn: E-Vote 'Hacked'; Rawl: 'Systemic Software Problems'
• 6/14/10: SC NBC Affil Scammed on 'Paper Trails' by State Elec. Comm.
• 6/14/10: PROTEST OF 'UNVERIFIABLE' E-VOTE RESULTS FILED BY RAWL
• 6/11/10: 538.com: E-Vote 'Tampering, Malfunction'?; 'Something Smells'
• 6/11/10: Experts: 'Staggering' E-Vote Disparities; 'Clear Signs of Fraud'

[treestar]

83. Yes, I don't know what this line of argument proposes

Seems to be a hint that only states that go blue in the general should pick the candidate. Like penalize Democrats for living in a red state, they should have no say therefore.

[BlueMississippi]

64. If they won't vote for Biden they won't vote for EW or BS even more. nt

[Autumn]

87. It doesn't matter if they sit out the primaries as long as they vote for the nominee in the GE.

[BlueMississippi]

90. Promise? Because it will not be BS. nt

[Autumn]

92. It won't be Biden either. nt

[BlueMississippi]

93. It will be Marianne Williamson

[treestar]

82. So we let them have an equal say in picking the nominee

which is the only choice they will get. Why should Democrats be considered less than due to being in a red state? That's no attitude that will help. And how will the state turn purple/blue?

[Autumn]

86. I would imagine a state will turn purple/blue if more liberals move into a state.

Unless Republicans become liberals. I don't see that happening. Nobody is considering Dems who live in a red state to be less for being in a red state. I'm saying I don't get excited when a red state supports a Dem candidate because that Dem candidate probably isn't going to benefit from those electoral votes. I would like to see all states have their primaries on the same day, having those primaries all on the same day gives them an equal say.

[pnwmom]

10. How anyone does in those three small states has little to nothing to do with how they'll

do on those Super Tuesdays in March.

But we should have a much better idea by the end of March where this is all heading.

[James48]

11. Stop already!!!

Bernie can win.

YES- he is MORE electable than most of the candidates- in my mind that includes your candidate. So STOP bashing on Bernie!

[BlueMississippi]

24. If BS is the nominee, we'd lose 43 states. nt

[vsrazdem]

34. Says who.

[Ace Rothstein]

43. Nonsense

[redstatebluegirl]

104. Yes we will.

[aeromanKC]

12. Dems need to GOTV!!

[trixie2]

13. Good Lord!

I am less interested in who than in we-better-get-the-job-done.

You got a dog that will take the election? I will vote for your dog. I don't even like dogs. DISCLAIMER: I think everyone who has a dog should take good care of it and not put it in any danger.............................When I left the house at the age of 18 I swore that I would never have pet hair on my clothes again. I actually said those words on the porch and in the vein of Scarlett O'hara / hungry.

What ever name rises to the top of the primary, I will vote for. It is just that simple and we had better get it right. This out and out corruption is beyond anything I even envisioned and I studied the Trumps back in the 80s in college/economics and ethics class.

[Optical.Catalyst]

14. I kinda like the idea of Bernie sweeping Super Tuesday

Having a Progressive as a nominee does not look like a problem to some of our base.

[Lordquinton]

16. What's scary is your attitude

Bernie beats trump, unless you don't believe the polls...

[BlueMississippi]

25. If BS is the nominee, we'd lose 43 states. nt

[sacto95834]

56. ??

Odd? Does that mean if Joe Biden is the nominee we will lose 40 states? Bernie Sanders polls just slightly (1-3%) points behind Biden, depending on what Dem v Trump poll you look at. Your argument is not logical.

[BlueMississippi]

62. That is before Trump and the republicans get to Sanders

Before the convention ends, there will be a barrage of information about Sanders' essays from the 70's and a whole lot of other things would come out.

Right now, Sanders is being treated with kid gloves.

This is minor as compared to what Republicans will do and Trump will talk about nothing but the essays.

[roody]

71. How many pussies did Sanders grab?

[BlueMississippi]

73. You don't see the essays as problematic? nt

[ehrnst]

100. This one in particular:

Often "a child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them) or pehaps (sic) he simply is not interested in school and would rather be doing other thing (sic)," Sanders wrote in his column, "Cancer, Disease and Society," for an alternative publication called The Vermont Freeman.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/bernie-sanders-own-words/index.html

[ehrnst]

99. Is that the bar for being considered to have respect and regard for women now?

Not having "grabbed pussies?"

That's the defense for any other politician in comparison?

[sacto95834]

74. Biden will also...

be dragged through the mud by the orange menace. to be honest, i'd rather defend sanders record as its much more consistent than biden's and viewed from today's standards, on the "right" side of history.

i think actions speak louder than essays.

[BlueMississippi]

76. Biden didn't write any rape fantasies

Nor did Biden ever say cervical cancer in women is caused by a lack of orgasms.

Nice try though.

[NurseJackie]

88. Can you imagine the scorching hot outrage there would be if he had?

[BlueMississippi]

89. I know ... double standards are prevalent. nt

[ehrnst]

101. Well, one could call McConnell's record "consistent." One hopes that a candidate

has the capacity to learn and adjust their ideas when presented with new data.

There is a difference between consistency and a "foolish consistency" and people sometimes forget that.

I mean, even Bernie's view of military use for regime change in Iraq evolved from 1988 to 2003:

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

Authorization for Use of Military Force - Authorizes the President to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons.
States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.

[treestar]

84. True, Bernie has not been thoroughly vetted

The tape of him saying he is a socialist is deadly to the GE.

[BlueMississippi]

91. +1000 nt

[NurseJackie]

94. It's strange how that for which he and his supporters are so VERY PROUD....

It's strange how that for which he and his supporters are so VERY PROUD, would be something that is so damaging to his candidacy AND to the Democratic Party as a whole.

Fortunately, he won't be our party's nominee... loyal Democrats are looking to nominate another loyal and full-time Democrat. All I'm trying to say is that I expect the person I vote for to be someone who has ALWAYS supported the party and someone who doesn't view Democrats (and the party) with such contempt. --- That's not unreasonable.

[ehrnst]

103. Some in the GOP are praying for him to win the nomination.

Republicans like their chances of keeping the Senate in 2020. But there’s one thing they think would all but seal the deal: Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.

Some GOP incumbents are practically cheering him on, confident there’s no way a self-described democratic socialist could win a general election against President Donald Trump and that he’d drag other Democrats on the ballot with him.

“It would be good for us to have a nominee like that,” said Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), who is up for reelection next year and sounded downright giddy about the prospect of Sanders representing Democrats at the top of the ticket.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296

[Blues Heron]

17. You'll vote for him if he's the nominee though right?

right?

[Autumn]

18. Why do you think that? According to the polls Biden Warren and Bernie all beat Trump.

If they are right about that, your OP is not about the base knowing Bernie is unelectable. You think he's unelectable, but the polls show the base thinks he is.
Bernie winning will be the best thing to happen to our country.

[CentralMass]

77. +1

[TCJ70]

19. Well this OP title isn't condescending at all...n/t

[Amimnoch]

22. Really hope not. If we do win, i want someone that will sign

hard fought for Democratic Party legislation that does manage to get through the House, and through the Senate.

I trust all of our large pool of candidates but Bernie to sign legislation, even if it wasn't what they campaigned on, and even if it doesn't meet purity tests but does move us forward. I don't trust BS to do that at all. It is my single biggest problem with ever getting behind him.

If Warren, who wants a MFA bill gets one that is an enhancement to the ACA instead.. I trust that she'll sign off on it.
If Biden, who wants enhanced ACA, not MFA, but actually gets a MFA on his desk to sign off on.. I trust that he'll sign off on it.

Does anyone feel Bernie would do the same?? I sure as hell don't.

I don't want to go through all of this fight to have a POTUS that won't fully work with the Democratic party congress if we do manage to reclaim the Senate, and hold the House.

Any Democratic Party Candidate that will beat Trump BUT Bernie 2020!

[sacto95834]

57. Yes...Bernie will sign bills.

Most of the positions the candidates are running on in 2019 (save MFA) are what Bernie ran on in 2016 when it was "pie in the sky" positions.

So yes, when $15/hr minimum wage is passed, he will sign. As parts of the Green New Deal gets passed, he will sign. And yes, if enhanced ACA gets passed that brings us closer to MFA he will sign. That does not mean he won't use his bully pulpit to try and persuade Congress to pass something closer to MFA, but in the end an enhanced ACA that covers more Americans is better than what we have today.

[Amimnoch]

61. Yeah, he'll pass pure bills that you cite.

However, are you confident he’d pass a $13.00 if that is what makes it through instead?

What if the green new deal that gets passed but removes the elimination of oil subsidies as a compromise, or includes nuclear?

I agree with you that an enhanced ACA that covers more Americans is better, but given his history, what makes you think that Bernie would pass it? Especially if it also passes with congressional concessions to get the roll call vote numbers that includes big Pharma concessions, or larger benefits to huge medical insurance companies? Glad you’re confident. I have no confidence at all in his being willing to compromise to pass marginally beneficial legislation. After all, isn’t it the fact that he’s so unwilling to compromise one of his most touted points?? I don’t find that a strength, I find it a flaw when it comes to a POTUS.

you note the mainstreaming of the Pie in the sky ideas, yet.. which one exactly has exactly come to fruition? Give me an even close to realistic potential 2020 senate roll call vote that would pass any of them.. at all.. as proposed? It doesn’t exist.

The BEST we can hope for given the 2020 Senate map is a Senate that may squeeze few a few impure bills that give marginal progress forward. Bernie is the one candidate I have no confidence in at all to pass these.

[BlueMississippi]

27. Trump will make mincemeat of BS

Those essays from the 70's and socialism is all Trump will talk about. GE will be over within days after the convention.

This will also reduce our performance in the Senate and House elections.

Very scary scenario.

[dgauss]

37. If Sanders were to be the nominee, do you think pushing the BS meme now will be helpful in the GE?

[Kurt V.]

29. WTF? What's scary is this post. lol

[vsrazdem]

32. How is this not bashing a candidate.

[questionseverything]

46. it clearly is

n/t

[CentralMass]

78. It is.

[aidbo]

33. Bernie is not unelectable. Stop bashing dems.

[Peacetrain]

35. There is no way in this world that Sanders is leading Warren in Iowa..

just no way..

[jalan48]

36. Very scary for the big banks and corporations for sure.

[NYMinute]

38. K&R nt

[HeartlandProgressive]

39. why not post something positive about your preferred candidate?

Instead of running another one down?

[TheRealNorth]

40. +1

@ OP If the prospect of Bernie Sanders winning the nomination has you shitting bricks, how are you going to stand up to Trump and the Republicans.

[DownFromTheMountain]

41. Had to ask myself this:

What are the chances the Bernie Sanders will faithfully represent the concerns of Democratic rank and file that created the last Platform, (which was the most progressive up to now). So that's my concern. He's included in the debate, and I like a lot of his ideas. But I don't have a good feeling that he would represent the majority of Democratic voters across the country.

[sacto95834]

59. If your statement is true...

and Bernie does not represent the majority of Democratic voters - he will NOT win the primary. Simple as that.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

42. Wow. You think pretty highly of yourself.

I guess we should just skip the primary and have NewsCenter28 pick who the Dem nominee is since the will of the actual voter isn't important.

And people think that Sanders' supporters are the problem with their attitude.

[CentralMass]

79. +1

[Doremus]

47. How did that moderate candidate work for you last time again?

Reading your post I almost forgot that we didn't actually run Sanders.

[Cha]

48. Did you actually read the DNC Platform? There

is nothing "moderate" about it?

How did that Russian interference workout for America in the General Election?

[lapucelle]

65. ...

Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

https://bit.ly/2Z1KfPC

[Cha]

72. Mahalo, lapucelle. too bad

about the meme spread otherwise.

[betsuni]

68. Hillary and Bernie voted the same way on legislation 93% of the time.

They are both progressives.

[treestar]

85. It was not Hillary on the issues

that lost, it was not getting that the polling was not enough to take the swing states for granted. We thought it was going to be a landslide and were thinking how to win AZ and GA and took the swing states Obama won for granted. This time, get out the swing state vote and campaign there much harder. Bernie would not win those states even so. He would finally be vetted for real.

[elleng]

51. 'Destroy?' Really?

Go away.

[evertonfc]

52. Iowa

I still find it amazing that all 26 people in Iowa and NH are the slightest bit relevant in a party that, demographically, the polar opposite of these two states. Sure, they are first but who gives a rats behind who wins Iowa. I understand the historical significance but good grief.

[Hoyt]

53. Not a Sanders fan, but I'd hate to see other candidates gang up on him to

eliminate or “destroy” him. That just ain’t right.

[elleng]

66. Thanks

[aikoaiko]

60. You think that's scary, wait until you see juggalo Bernie

Soooooo scary.




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[Bettie]

63. Sanders isn't my choice (obviously)

but if he's the nominee I will vote for him enthusiastically.

IF Biden is the nominee, I'll do the same.

Harris, Buttgeig, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, etc. I'll vote for them enthusiastically, do whatever I can to ensure that everyone I know gets out to vote, work knocking doors, whatever needs to be done.

It is all about our side's turnout, because we're not going to peel off MAGATs.

So, how is it that Sanders against him suddenly turns Trump into a great guy? I'm not seeing it.

[Garrett78]

67. Iowa and NH aren't even remotely representative of our electorate.

Sanders was done after Super Tuesday in 2016. In 2020, he'll be done even sooner.

Unless one thinks Sanders is going to somehow do much, much better than last time among POC, I'm not sure why anyone thinks he stands a chance.

[roody]

69. Agree. Fuck democracy.

[ehrnst]

102. So Bernie Sanders is Democracy's only hope?

[Kentonio]

75. The fact this thread is allowed to stay on a Democratic board

Where the TOCs specifically ban bashing this candidate, explains why many of us don’t bother visiting much anymore.

[CentralMass]

80. +1

[BannonsLiver]

95. LOL

I’ve seen plenty of comments and OPs about Biden that are equally nasty. Unless you were on those threads calling for them to be hidden your outrage here is not particularly compelling.

[corbettkroehler]

98. Heard That! Quoting The Survey Is Fine. Pining For A Progressive's Demise Is Outright Bashing!

By the way, could we stop ignoring the polls which, ever since he declared, consistently have shown that Sanders beats tRump in the general?

[BannonsLiver]

96. Rec'd

Great post. Always a relief to see there are other folks who understand the stakes.

[mikeysnot]

105. GLWT