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'Enormous Crowd' Gathers at Elizabeth Warren NYC Rally - Morning Joe MSNBC (Original Post) BeyondGeography Sep 2019 OP
Large fired up crowds for Bernie four years ago? Who knew? Unless you were a Bernie fan brewens Sep 2019 #1
I knew and I wasn't/I'm not a fan lunamagica Sep 2019 #7
Scarborough makes an interesting point DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #2
Republicans aren't interested in policy. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #6
True, but not the point DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #10
I think that her laser focus on policy is a brilliant strategic move. Blue_true Sep 2019 #11
she emphasizes "big change" and yet the crowds persist Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #15
The media hasn't caught up to it yet, DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #17
yes! change by building, not destruction Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #18
Wonderful speech. zentrum Sep 2019 #3
That's nice. For all the good it did for Bernie...nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #4
I really think there is a big difference between her crowds and Bernie's Blue_true Sep 2019 #12
You make a valid point. They appear to be adults vs. kids. nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author crazytown Sep 2019 #16
I love seeing coverage of her rallies. BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #5
Keep it simple. Focus on corruption. TryLogic Sep 2019 #8
Generally voters don't care about corruption or Trump would not be president...they care about Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #9
When they understand their jobs and health care are affected by corruption, that changes. Claritie Pixie Sep 2019 #13
True. Blue_true Sep 2019 #14
 

brewens

(13,573 posts)
1. Large fired up crowds for Bernie four years ago? Who knew? Unless you were a Bernie fan
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 AM
Sep 2019

last time, you probably didn't know. I suppose we'll find out if the PTB put the kibosh on reporting Warren's crowds.

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
7. I knew and I wasn't/I'm not a fan
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 11:52 AM
Sep 2019
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DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
2. Scarborough makes an interesting point
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:33 AM
Sep 2019

Trump's a showman and crowds come for "the show", but Warren's not a showman and her crowds seem to be there for the policy message.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
6. Republicans aren't interested in policy.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 11:33 AM
Sep 2019

Never have been. Never will be. They're there to watch some asshole be mean to somebody. It's wrasslin'.

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DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
10. True, but not the point
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:49 PM
Sep 2019

Generally policy ideas aren't a big draw. The fact that Warren's getting these crowds with an emphasis on governing/making government work is a big deal. It's kind of remeniscent of the enthusiasm for FDR's New Deal back in the 1930s. IMHO, it shows how big the appetite for real change is.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. I think that her laser focus on policy is a brilliant strategic move.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:47 PM
Sep 2019

She will ultimately bring things to the point where she force voters to chose between the policy she lays out and the chaos they are dealing with from Trump. In the end, those Surburban moms concerned about their kid's future, but who vote republican, will likely gravitate toward her or leave the "For President" box blank (which benefits Senator Warren).

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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
15. she emphasizes "big change" and yet the crowds persist
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 02:53 AM
Sep 2019

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DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
17. The media hasn't caught up to it yet,
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 02:57 AM
Sep 2019

but my sense is Americans want change - big change.

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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
18. yes! change by building, not destruction
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 02:59 AM
Sep 2019

Assaulting GOPers have shown us how they destroy. People now want protective Dems to build!

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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
3. Wonderful speech.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:45 AM
Sep 2019

Her energy was very high and all based on genuine passion, no grandstanding.

She is a real fighter.

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Kahuna7

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4. That's nice. For all the good it did for Bernie...nt
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:45 AM
Sep 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. I really think there is a big difference between her crowds and Bernie's
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:50 PM
Sep 2019

2016 crowds. Senator Warren's crowds are more like Hillary's 2016 crowds, older and families, what appears to be career women (lots of them when you look at pictures).

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Kahuna7

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19. You make a valid point. They appear to be adults vs. kids. nt
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:17 AM
Sep 2019
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BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
5. I love seeing coverage of her rallies.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 11:28 AM
Sep 2019

But, based on responses to posts about this elsewhere, especially videos, the GOP-linked Russian troll farms are out early and they are nastier than ever.

They will tear apart ANY Dem candidate. Right now, many are "Hillary-ing" Elizabeth Warren.

This is going to be a LONG and nasty election season.

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TryLogic

(1,722 posts)
8. Keep it simple. Focus on corruption.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 12:17 PM
Sep 2019

There are so many issues, political, policy, stacking the courts, big money influence, etc., etc., etc., for pretty much all of us, our heads spin trying to keep up. I think many people, in an effort to get a handle on who to vote for, select a single issue, or a personality, or communication style, who knows? In my opinion, single issue voters are extremely dangerous for a democracy. That may be the reason Republicans are so good at winning elections. They win single issue voters. (Then once elected, they make a hell of a mess.)

More and more, Liz seems to be focusing on one particular issue, or message, which I think is a very good idea as a way to "keep it simple". CORRUPTION. Corruption pretty much captures the essence of being a Republican.

I say, keep hammering Republican corruption. Examples are abundant. But, the basic focus, the basic message, the bottom line, is corruption.

Added: For years, going back to Clinton, I have been mystified by strange outcomes in Wash, DC. A high percentage of the population is in favor of something like background checks -- any number of issues, but when Congress votes, the will of the people will have made no difference. I've been a little slow, but it is now pretty clear that it is corruption, also called money in politics, special interests, lobbyists, etc. With the Citizens United decision by the supreme court, and the stacking of the court, even the court is now part of Republican corruption.

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Demsrule86

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9. Generally voters don't care about corruption or Trump would not be president...they care about
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 01:07 PM
Sep 2019

jobs and health care.

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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
13. When they understand their jobs and health care are affected by corruption, that changes.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:53 PM
Sep 2019

Warren ties corruption to jobs and health care. It's brilliant how she does it and people get it.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. True.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 10:55 PM
Sep 2019

Trump won by making vague promises. Many Americans bought in to his bullshit. But he know has an administration record that is not good on jobs and healthcare. Senator Warren will be able to run against Trump's record, Hillary didn't have that advantage as it pertains to government.

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