*** WHOAH, NELLIE***Diamond Joe is beating Orange Don by fourteen points in A rated FOX NEWS poll

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[SWBTATTReg]

1. Whoa! This is definitely going to leave marks and rump going to have a twitty storm! NT

[Iliyah]

30. This and Senator Warren with 20K rally

he's upset - LOL

[LonePirate]

2. This might generate a rage tweet from the Racist-in-Chief.

It’s only a matter of time before he blows his top over this.

[DrToast]

8. No doubt. Start the clock

[ritapria]

3. FOX NEWS POLL RESULTS

Biden 29% Bernie 18% Warren 16% Harris 7% Buttigieg 5 %

[honest.abe]

4. Impressive.. and Warren only leads Trump by 6 points.

That worries me about Warren.

[NYMinute]

7. I don't think Sen. Warren can win the rust belt states like Biden can. nt

[honest.abe]

9. Yes, that is her biggest problem.. plus the fact I dont think she connects well with black voters.

Warren is great but she is not our best candidate to win in 2020.

[NYMinute]

10. Yes .. she has that strict school teacher persona

like someone who would mark you absent for coming in 1 minute late or give you an F for returning an assignment a couple of hours late -- even if you had a valid reason.

However, if elected, she will make a very fine POTUS and I'd have no qualms or reservations in supporting her.

[spooky3]

13. Could we please not repeat that sexist right wing spin here? Thanks. Nt

[NYMinute]

16. Where was the gender reference in my post?

[spooky3]

34. Warren is not a "school teacher", a female-dominated

job. You used the term to denigrate her.

She is a college professor known for her research (which is well over half of her responsibilities in that role) and teaching top students at one of the most highly regarded universities in the world. The gap between the demands, degree requirements, and actual job duties of her former job and that of someone who teaches elementary school, for example, is huge. If you doubt that society views it that way, ask why she was likely paid 8 to 10 times as much as a “school teacher.”

Would you call Paul Krugman a “school teacher”? Maybe, if you want to minimize his accomplishments. But I have never heard even a critic of him call him that—could it be because he’s male and no one is confusing these jobs in his case?


Teaching is a noble profession, but when you use the “school teacher” label as a negative—exactly as the right wing does—that is a big problem.

[John Fante]

38. Beautiful post. Thank you.

[NYMinute]

47. You are admitting that there are MALE school teachers

Am I right?

Furthermore, "professor" is a male dominated field.

One should think twice and read three times before casting aspersions about sexism.

[boomer_wv]

94. She is a teacher.

Doesn't she make sure to always mention how she wanted to be a school teacher and went to college to do just that?

[homegirl]

49. BRAVO

Thank you for telling it like it is!

[BeyondGeography]

41. Lol...even a stupid old guy like me spotted it

[NYMinute]

48. There was nothing to spot.

Please point to a single gender-descriptive word in my post.

[Skya Rhen]

51. Not a good day for some - it's not you...

[BeyondGeography]

53. You probably think you get points for not saying "schoolmarm"

[Clash City Rocker]

56. This is verging on mansplaining now

Although I don’t know your gender or the genders of the others here, you are telling people how to feel about something that women have to deal with all the time. Maybe just listen and consider that they may have a point.

[spooky3]

66. :-)

[Demsrule86]

57. I have asked in vain to not repeat the ageist right wing spin...but good luck. It cuts both ways.

[NYMinute]

73. Again, where is the ageist or sexist word/phrase in my post.

Please point to it!

[Demsrule86]

76. Ah, let me clear this up...I did not mean your posts or any particular post...surely you have seen

them...The 'dementia'...time to pass the torch kind of posts.

[NYMinute]

86. ahhh .. ok .. I agree with you on that. nt

[oldsoftie]

90. Gee, isnt it sexist to assume a teacher comparison means a woman?

Where i live about 40% of the county teachers are male.

[spooky3]

92. No. It is an empirical fact that the profession is female-

dominated. National statistics show that more than 70% of teachers (excluding professors) are female.

As another poster suggested, rather than arguing, why not listen to and learn from women who have experienced and/or studied the phenomenon of putting women down? It’s not an identical example, but if you were to criticize a doctor by saying she seemed like Nurse Ratched, you would be insulting her not only by employing sexist stereotypes and criticizing her behavior that would not be criticized in a male doctor, but also by not respecting the stature of her profession as a doctor. Women deal with this all their working lives, and it should not be acceptable to anyone on a progressive board.

[blm]

21. No, she doesn't. That's a lazyminded stereotype.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/1160584563028103169

Elizabeth Warren Is the Teacher All the Students Hope to Get in the Fall
The happy warrior goes to the Iowa State Fair.


https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/amp28669312/elizabeth-warren-iowa-state-fair/?__twitter_impression=true
...
But the thing that's sold Elizabeth Warren to Iowa is primarily Elizabeth Warren. None of the candidates seems to be having as much fun as she is. The endless selfies after speeches. The pinky-swears with young girls about how what girls do is run for president. Her willingness to hold town halls anywhere. That loose-limbed, almost goofy wave with which she steps onto every stage. In a gloomy political time, with a humorless sociopathic bully in the White House, and with all the worst impulses of the national Id come out to play, Senator Professor Warren is the campaign's happy warrior, the teacher everybody hopes they get when school starts up again in the fall. People respond to the good feeling around her campaign as much as they respond to the blizzard of policy proposals that campaign has loosed upon the electorate.
....

[emmaverybo]

72. Her speaking style could be characterized as professorial. She tends to lecture, in an approachable

manner, and when she is responding, can be affirming as in “that’s a good question!”

Always sounds to me like the good kind of professor trying to get students engaged, sharing her passion, showing an enthusiasm for ideas, in this case, her own plans.

I am not sure if her speaking style is one a wider swath of voters will be drawn to. She is always in
command of her subject matter, but I find that fact, and her authoritative tone, irritating.

The thing is that she’s not dealing with “subject matter” now and she’s not in the lecture auditorium.

[Thekaspervote]

11. This, she is very smart, has a good heart and wants the best for the country but agree with you

[blm]

15. She does when they actually experience her. Media keeps saying

She doesn’t connect with them, completely ignoring the fact that she has.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/25/18514995/she-the-people-elizabeth-warren-kamala-harris-women-of-color-voters

Prominent women of color are putting 2020 candidates on the spot. Warren and Harris shined.
The two senators won over crowds at the first-ever policy forum for women of color on Wednesday.
By Li [e-mail] Apr 25, 2019, 2:30pm EDT

[thesquanderer]

45. The fact that Biden leads among AA voters does not mean Warren does not have their support.

Even if she's not first choice, I don't imagine lots of AA voters voting for Trump or staying home, I think Warren would still get those votes. It's not like black voters don't like Warren, they just like Biden more.
As I posted in another thread recently:

Someone can like multiple candidates, but you still have to pick just one when you vote.

Latest relevant poll seems to be this one:

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_1909091558.pdf#page=3

Biden and Sanders have 47% favorability among non-white voters (they didn't break out AA specifically), Warren's is right there at 46%. And Warren has more room to go up, because 21% haven't yet formed an opinion about her, compared to only 12% who haven't yet formed an opinion about Biden.

Just because Biden is not someone's FIRST choice when they can only choose one, you can't assume they wouldn't be similarly happy to vote for someone else. Just as I currently list Warren as my first choice, but if it ended up being my second choice Buttigieg in November, I'd be equally enthusiastic to cast that vote.

[Demsrule86]

63. The polls are dismal and she is barely beating Trump which means Trump wins

as they will cheat if the election is close.

[thesquanderer]

67. Let's see what the polls look like closer to Iowa. (n/t)

[Bradshaw3]

84. She's actually doing better with black voters than Harris

https://www.newsweek.com/warren-biden-democratic-party-debates-polling-1459803

Perhaps you should go with another candidate, since that would make Harris way, way down the list when it comes to choosing our "best" candidate.

[honest.abe]

91. I was comparing Warrens numbers to Bidens.

Warren is way behind last i checked.

I still like Harris and its possible she might catch fire later on.

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. There was a poll last week w/Warren & Sanders even or ahead of Biden's Rust Belt margin over Trump

In 2 Rust Belt states.

So, there goes the "Rust Belt Electability" myth...

[NYMinute]

14. But of course!!

What was I thinking?

There was a poll last week so I must be wrong!

[redstateblues]

17. Link please. She is tied with Trump in WI. Joe is up 9

[TwilightZone]

18. Source, please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. It was a poll conducted by Firehouse Strategies.

Google them. They are Little Marco's pollster.

[TwilightZone]

24. Well, that's legit.

Or perhaps not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Nothing but the truth

http://firehousestrategies.com/our-team/

[TwilightZone]

28. I was being sarcastic.

Hence, the "perhaps not". That's quite the Republican list of bios.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I know

Why would a supposedly progressive poster lend credibility to a Republican poll?

BTW, 538 gives them a C+.

[TwilightZone]

37. It's in our nature to attach to "data" that tells us what we want to hear.

But context is important. I'm naturally skeptical of polling agencies that seemingly show up out of nowhere with numbers that appear to be out-of-whack from everyone else. I'm surprised they've been around long enough for 538 to rank.

[Fiendish Thingy]

82. The poll was posted by a Biden supporter

Using a misleading headline, implying the poll was evidence that Joe was they ONLY Dem beating Trump in the polls in the Rust Belt, which was absolutely not true.

[Fiendish Thingy]

58. It was posted here on DU:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287277315

But beware, the headline and OP are misleading, implying that Biden is the only candidate beating Trump in ANY Rust Belt state - he is ahead in all 3 states, where Warren and Sanders are ahead of Trump in 2/3 states, and in Sanders case, by much larger margins than Biden.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Are you referring to the poll by Little Marco's pollster?

[Demsrule86]

64. Really? link.

I know that is an outlier if in fact it is legit...got to read the details of polls. She was definietly losing Wisconsin...and Pennsylvania...Michigan no way Biden and Obama saved GM and Chrysler.

[Fiendish Thingy]

77. Link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287277315

Click the link in the OP to read the complete data, as the headline and OP are misleading.

[Bradshaw3]

78. You keep repeating a phony meme with no facts to back it up

That doesn't make it true. It makes your "point" more obvious each time you do: i.e. you are really worried Warren will beat Joe, so come up with BS instead of facts. Desperation time.

[NYMinute]

85. ...

Thanks for the laugh

[Bradshaw3]

87. So you can't back up your baseless claim

I knew that, I just wanted others to know that you are just making things up. Thanks for proving my point.

[5starlib]

22. 6 points ain't nothing with Russia

Biden can beat Trump and take it out of cheating distance.

[DownriverDem]

55. Oh so true

Real political junkies know this to be true.

[DownriverDem]

29. Let's be honest

We have to win the states' primaries. Then we have to win the Electoral College which is state by state. It's hard to take these polls seriously.

[Scurrilous]

5. K&R

[DrToast]

6. Wonder how long before Trump pressures Fox to rig their poll

If he’s not doing that already.

Fox actually runs a good poll. It would be sad if they changed that.

[DrToast]

23. The same poll includes health care.

Medicare buy in: 68/24
Improve ACA: 57/34
Single payer: 46/48

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. The sweet spot

The sweet spot is Medicare 4 All Who Want It.

[thesquanderer]

42. The actual wording...

Changing the health care system so that every American can buy into Medicare if they want to? = 68/24

Making minor changes to Obamacare while largely leaving the law in place? = 57/34

Getting rid of private health insurance and moving to a government-run health care system for everyone? = 46/48

[DrToast]

43. Thank you.

Was typing on my phone and saw the results on Twitter.

It’s always good to have the wording to the questions.

[Gothmog]

26. For this thread

Link to tweet

[C_U_L8R]

27. Republicans should ditch their loser candidate

Or not.
Let them all go down the tangerine vortex of doom.

[Green Line]

31. Same poll

Head to head:

Biden 53 Warren 37

[Doodley]

35. When Biden wins the nomination and gets a bounce, his lead over Trump will be in the twenties.

[onetexan]

52. +1 -K&R

[WA-03 Democrat]

70. Let's Hope So!

I love Joe and think he’s the best person. I’ll support any democratic candidates. It’s do or die.

[Kahuna7]

69. Yep. Let them run their clips of JB gaffes and get them out there now.

[oasis]

36. Joe and Keith Jackson, a classic combination.

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. What's interesting about this poll is the number of people who will definitely vote for Biden...

against Trump, and the number of undecideds for the other candidates. Hopefully, when push comes to shove, they will actually pull the lever for the Dem, but if Biden is not the nominee, the Rust Belt worries me.

[DrToast]

40. Yes, Trump's level of support is pretty stable

The “undecideds” go up against non-Biden candidates, but Trumps support doesn’t improve much.

[pnwmom]

44. What's with the mobster nickname? If he wins the nomination, I don't think this helps us.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/11/rob-ford-crack-cocaine-simpsons-mayor-diamond-joe-quimby-or-toronto-mayor-rob-ford-who-said-it.html

Who Said It: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford or Simpsons Mayor Diamond Joe Quimby?

“Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine,” Toronto Mayor Rob Ford told reporters on Tuesday. He then added: “There have been times when I’ve been in a drunken stupor.” The highly quotable Ford has never sounded more like the Simpsons’ fictional mayor, Diamond Joe Quimby. Back in May, Justin Peters put together an extremely difficult Ford-or-Quimby? quiz. Put yourself to the test below.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. I wear one to the gym

[pnwmom]

79. Again, why would you want to associate Biden with a mobster nickname, and do you think

this will help him get votes?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. I doubt most Americans know who the Diamond Joe you speak of is.

[pnwmom]

83. Millions of Americans have watched the Simpsons, even if they never heard

about the earlier Diamond Joes.

My reaction when I first glanced at your post and saw the words "Diamond Joe" was that it was by somebody who didn't like Biden. I was surprised to see the term used by a supporter because it has so many negative associations.

[Vogon_Glory]

46. Good! We might stomp him this time

I suspect that not only a couple of “squeaker” states that went for Individual 1 not only have had buyer’s remorse, but at least one or two electoral vote-rich red states might go for Team Donkey’s candidate in 2020.

[bucolic_frolic]

50. Two things

It's a Fox News poll. What sampling did they use? You see Right wingers who take a poll do a Lewandowski - they lie to the pollster. They want to 1) scare the living pants off Trump supporters so they'll work harder to boost their voters, and 2) build overconfidence amongst Democrats so they won't work as hard, won't donate, won't participate, will figure it's a done deal.

So these polls in my view are deliberately skewed and I would put LITTLE IF ANY stock in them. I thought this was happening in 2016 and I still do, but few if any agreed with my theory.

[BigOleDummy]

54. I too

Look at Fox polls like this. Well said

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. A rated at 538.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

69% races called right. O.6% Democratic bias

A RATED

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. I'll take Nate's word over that of internet denizens any day. Besides, whatever happened to...

"the polls are what the polls are"?

[Demsrule86]

65. That doesn't count if it is Biden.

[Thekaspervote]

93. Got it! Me too will take Nate Silver over most pollsters anyday

[TwilightZone]

74. Somehow, I doubt that Fox News would skew a poll toward Democrats.

Their polls have actually been quite good, surprisingly. 538 has them rated A.

[FloridaBlues]

59. Yes!!

[PoliticAverse]

62. May 2015 - Clinton 52.5%, Trump 33.8% (Clinton +18.7).

https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

[Kahuna7]

71. Yeah. We know. We also know that a lot of nastiness from many sides

contributed to her loss.

[TwilightZone]

75. That's impressively irrelevant.

Trump wasn't even in the race yet.

[PoliticAverse]

80. Well he announced on June 16. June 25: Clinton 53.4, Trump 35.6, Clinton +17.8.

https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

[Sugarcoated]

95. Joe Biden isn't Hillary Clinton

and this is a completely different moment in time.

[stonecutter357]

88. good let's go Joe !

[oldsoftie]

89. But its a Fox poll; some people here will bitch to high heaven that you posted it.

Regardless of accuracy!!

But i cant wait to hear Rush scream "fake poll" about a FOX poll