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Warren: Trump knows his Justice Department won't act and believes Congress won't either. (Original Post) BeyondGeography Sep 2019 OP
K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2019 #1
Impeach. sharedvalues Sep 2019 #2
That's anti-Democratic Congress talk, unfortunately, and counterproductive. gulliver Sep 2019 #3
How is it NOT complicit? Both sides are doing nothing. The excuses ecstatic Sep 2019 #6
Again, Schiff has Trump nailed for this. It's a win. gulliver Sep 2019 #7
I'm usually of that mindset, but not on this. Not when my country is at risk ecstatic Sep 2019 #8
I very clearly see Warren making a mistake for our country in this. gulliver Sep 2019 #9
We're not using our friggin' power BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #10
Any complaints must be phrased in a respectful, Democrat-building way. gulliver Sep 2019 #11
They need to be pushed. sharedvalues Sep 2019 #17
Nope. Get the point across by respectful persuasion. Pushing diminishes. gulliver Sep 2019 #18
this Democratic House member disagrees. He suggests pushing sharedvalues Sep 2019 #19
That Congressman is making the same mistake. gulliver Sep 2019 #23
It actually BUILDS power to take real action sharedvalues Sep 2019 #33
EXACTLY! BigOleDummy Sep 2019 #36
I mean, really what we need is ALL Dems on Cap Hill in a room NOW sharedvalues Sep 2019 #21
I'm sure a lot of discussion is going on. And I like the results so far. gulliver Sep 2019 #26
One way to get them there is to get them on record voting no on impeachment or removal. nt Gore1FL Sep 2019 #31
Just how BigOleDummy Sep 2019 #37
Finally some patriotism from a Biden supporter! Welcome to the new Democrats! DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #40
If Democratic leadership is going rogue, ignoring the rule of law, and their duties LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #20
Those are all invalid and self-defeating criticisms as well. gulliver Sep 2019 #24
You actually direct the terms "self-defeating" and "invalid' LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #35
What you said. Tipperary Sep 2019 #29
About time a legit contender said this! GilmourtheCat22 Sep 2019 #41
She didn't put down Democrats. She didn't KPN Sep 2019 #39
Nadler and his commitee sheshe2 Sep 2019 #30
There are Republicans as well as Democrats in Congress btw... K&R, nt. druidity33 Sep 2019 #12
It would have been much better if she had singled them out. gulliver Sep 2019 #13
No. Pelosi needs to be pushed. At long last. The country is literally at stake. sharedvalues Sep 2019 #16
BS -- it's using the power she has earned as a leading candidate KPN Sep 2019 #38
Boom. nt Maven Sep 2019 #4
Thank you! That's what the chronic apologists refuse to see ecstatic Sep 2019 #5
+1 Gore1FL Sep 2019 #32
Now that is what unflinching, courageous leadership looks like Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #14
K&R bluewater Sep 2019 #15
Spot on. warmfeet Sep 2019 #22
How much more crime does the damn thing have to commit? Six117 Sep 2019 #25
bingo. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2019 #27
K and r! Tipperary Sep 2019 #28
There ya go.... eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2019 #34
 

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
1. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:18 PM
Sep 2019
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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
2. Impeach.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:21 PM
Sep 2019

Call your rep and tell them to impeach

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
3. That's anti-Democratic Congress talk, unfortunately, and counterproductive.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:21 PM
Sep 2019

Complicit? That kind of statement is so obviously bad for our team, that it knocks Warren down another couple of notches in my assessment of her ability to deliver as our candidate. Schiff is in our good old Democratic Congress, and he's got Trump twisting in the wind right now. He deserves applause, not a charge of complicity.

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ecstatic

(32,688 posts)
6. How is it NOT complicit? Both sides are doing nothing. The excuses
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:26 PM
Sep 2019

don't matter. The point is, neither has done anything to at least try to stop trump.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
7. Again, Schiff has Trump nailed for this. It's a win.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:31 PM
Sep 2019

Warren (and no Democrat) should ever put down our Democratic Congress. If she wants it to behave differently, that's fine, but she needs to be appropriately respectful and team-building in her messaging. If you put down your team, especially as an insider, you rob huge value from it. There can be no excuse for putting down your team.

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ecstatic

(32,688 posts)
8. I'm usually of that mindset, but not on this. Not when my country is at risk
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:34 PM
Sep 2019

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of veering into a Russia-like dictatorship. I can't turn a blind eye to this. Sorry.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
9. I very clearly see Warren making a mistake for our country in this.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:38 PM
Sep 2019

You should too. Nothing that puts down Dems in Congress, our hard won, vital power hold in these tenuous times, is ever in bounds. Dems in Congress must be treated with complete respect or the message is that they don't deserve respect. It should never, ever happen. Who does Warren think she is talking to an elected body of Democratic Congress people like that?

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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
10. We're not using our friggin' power
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:39 PM
Sep 2019

Not to its full potential. Not even close.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
11. Any complaints must be phrased in a respectful, Democrat-building way.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:42 PM
Sep 2019

I'm not saying there should be no complaints. I'm saying those complaints must not diminish our team. That can never work. It's foolish.

Even were the Congress to respond to that browbeating and impeach now, it would make them look diminished and subservient. They were elected. They have the power. They are Democrats. Respect them.

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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
17. They need to be pushed.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:55 PM
Sep 2019

Pelosi wants to wait until the numbers rise. This kind of stuff gets headlines and makes the numbers rise.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
18. Nope. Get the point across by respectful persuasion. Pushing diminishes.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019
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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
19. this Democratic House member disagrees. He suggests pushing
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:07 PM
Sep 2019
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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
23. That Congressman is making the same mistake.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:10 PM
Sep 2019

It is never in bounds to refer to our team in that way. It costs our team power (although it may gain this Congressman some personal notoriety). Anything that costs our team power is bad.

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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
33. It actually BUILDS power to take real action
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:45 PM
Sep 2019

the power of our base... that swept us to a huge win in 2018... is being bled away.

Saying “just wait, don’t criticize” is costing us power.

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BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
36. EXACTLY!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:24 PM
Sep 2019

And very well said

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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
21. I mean, really what we need is ALL Dems on Cap Hill in a room NOW
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:08 PM
Sep 2019

Get every House Dem and Senate Dem in a room together now and work this out in private.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
26. I'm sure a lot of discussion is going on. And I like the results so far.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:13 PM
Sep 2019

Trump's twisting in the wind. I want Republican leaders all on board the SS Trump when it goes down.

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Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
31. One way to get them there is to get them on record voting no on impeachment or removal. nt
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:41 PM
Sep 2019
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BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
37. Just how
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:28 PM
Sep 2019

is our chump in chief "twisting in the wind"? He's still squatting in our oval office. He's still bleeding taxpayers for profit. He's still undermining the rule of law. He's still appointing more right wing kooks as judges practically every day. Please explain how this is "twisting in the wind"? This BigOleDummy wants to know.

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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
40. Finally some patriotism from a Biden supporter! Welcome to the new Democrats!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:02 PM
Sep 2019
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LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
20. If Democratic leadership is going rogue, ignoring the rule of law, and their duties
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:08 PM
Sep 2019

They deserve to be called out on it. I'm glad Elizabeth said it, more need to.
It has now become "radical" to NOT demand and initiate impeachment. A large majority of Democratic voters want it now. So Pelosi is not representing Democrats by not only refusing to start, but scoffing at members like Warren that do want to represent what Democrats want. So if Pelosi is not representing Democrats, and does not feel the need to defend the rule of law, and using ALL of Democratic powers to fight for that standard, ahead of her idea that we'd win easier without a messy impeachment, which is a huge risk, and IMO achieves the opposite, I don't know who she is supposed to be fighting for. Talk about looking diminished and subservient, jeez.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
24. Those are all invalid and self-defeating criticisms as well.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:11 PM
Sep 2019
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LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
35. You actually direct the terms "self-defeating" and "invalid'
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:06 PM
Sep 2019

towards myself, Warren, and others for fighting AGAINST self-defeating and invalid behaviour we would not expect from our leaders? Okay.

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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
29. What you said.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:19 PM
Sep 2019

So true.

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GilmourtheCat22

(3 posts)
41. About time a legit contender said this!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:39 PM
Sep 2019

You're kidding right,? It's about time that a legitimate dem. Front runner started saying this out loud. I think every democratic Candidate should be shouting this f the mountain tops. It's this timidity and reluctance to use the power that we have is why we keep losing elections. I don't want to have a "why can't we just get along " moment with these horrible Republicans.. I. Want vengeance and justice. You know - payback.

If strongly worded press releases from Nancy Pelosi expressing her concern at trump's teachery

are enough for you then you're a lot more patient and nicer than I am. You know what concerns me is Donald Trump boasting about the size of his next inauguration crowd, wh of his next we had the chance to do something about it.

Peace.

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KPN

(15,642 posts)
39. She didn't put down Democrats. She didn't
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:56 PM
Sep 2019

mention either party. So what? If she has a different opinion than yours or Pelosi’s about the calculus of impeachment, she’s anti/Democratic Party?

Geesh!

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sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
30. Nadler and his commitee
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:30 PM
Sep 2019

They have already started the articles of impeachment.

ecstatic
6. How is it NOT complicit? Both sides are doing nothing. The excuses

don't matter. The point is, neither has done anything to at least try to stop trump.


Fact is The Dems can't wave a magic wand to make him gone. You are saying that all congressional Democrats are complicit.

Please tell me you are not saying this about our Congressional Democrats.

complicit
[kəmˈplisit]

ADJECTIVE
involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.
"all of these people are complicit in some criminal conspiracy
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druidity33

(6,446 posts)
12. There are Republicans as well as Democrats in Congress btw... K&R, nt.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:44 PM
Sep 2019
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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
13. It would have been much better if she had singled them out.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:45 PM
Sep 2019

Much, much better.

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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
16. No. Pelosi needs to be pushed. At long last. The country is literally at stake.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:54 PM
Sep 2019

Warren has not criticized Pelosi until now. She’s waiting for a severe moment.

Every presidential candidate should be screaming on TV about this corrupt president.

And they should be echoing Warren — telling Pelosi that IF she doesn’t take action, Congress is complicit.

Here’s why:


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KPN

(15,642 posts)
38. BS -- it's using the power she has earned as a leading candidate
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:51 PM
Sep 2019

to influence the Congress. It’s leadership in my view. She’s speaking the truth and saying what needs to be said.

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ecstatic

(32,688 posts)
5. Thank you! That's what the chronic apologists refuse to see
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:25 PM
Sep 2019

Doing nothing = complicity. Period!

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Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
32. +1
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:45 PM
Sep 2019

Especially when the doing nothing is a fear-based political strategy.

It's hard to get people to believe in our values when we don't hold to them out of expediency.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,587 posts)
14. Now that is what unflinching, courageous leadership looks like
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:47 PM
Sep 2019

Pelosi could learn something from Warren’s example

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warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
22. Spot on.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:10 PM
Sep 2019

Just one of the many reasons I support Elizabeth Warren.

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Six117

(205 posts)
25. How much more crime does the damn thing have to commit?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:13 PM
Sep 2019

NT

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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
28. K and r!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:16 PM
Sep 2019

Tell it Elizabeth!

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