Watching Gillibrand, MSNBC Town Hall?

[elleng]

[highplainsdem]

1. No. Switched to CNN.

[Cornus]

2. I did too.

[Trumpocalypse]

5. Thanks

for keeping an open mind.

[highplainsdem]

10. I've seen other TV appearances she's made lately.

FWIW, if somehow she becomes the nominee, I will of course vote for her. But there are several other candidates I find more interesting.

[customerserviceguy]

65. You mean

like she did with Al Franken? Like waiting for an investigation?

[Trumpocalypse]

66. What investigation?

[customerserviceguy]

68. The one that Al asked for

He was hounded out of office before the Senate ethics committee had a chance to do an investigation.

[Trumpocalypse]

71. An ethics committee investigation

is not something like the Mueller probe. It is a hearing. And it doesn’t determine guilt or innocence, just if Congressional ethics rules were violated. Plus do you really think the republicans on the ethics committee would have given Franken a fair hearing? Franken could have tougher it out but chose to resign.

[customerserviceguy]

73. I stand by my comment

he was hounded, and it is true that several people running for president currently were part of that hounding. But Gillibrand led the charge. That is why I will be surprised if she ever gets to even five percent in the polls.

[Trumpocalypse]

74. Led the charge?

Hoe?

So does that mean the others were just blind followers?

[dalton99a]

3. Nah

[underthematrix]

4. I'm watching. This is such a great public service.

[question everything]

6. Is anyone holding her hand and lookking at her tenderly the way Colbert did

when she first told him, in such intimate tone that yes, she was?

How can anyone take her seriously?

[brooklynite]

25. Because she gives energetic and solid answers to voters' questions?

[Bucky]

70. (thank you)

She's just another politician. Posters who belittle her for have a (*gasp!*) feminine voice are not helping.

DUers should upsell their own candidates, not engage in sexist & negative insults against their opponents.

[BannonsLiver]

47. I haven't taken her seriously since February 2018.

[GP6971]

7. Nope

usually not home until Rachel is on.

[Zoonart]

8. Watched for a little while, but...

I don't know. I just don't like her. Between her and Hayes... I don't' know which one is the more weirdly eager.

[Tipperary]

9. I really tried, but it was as though she had one too many cups of coffee. Or something.

I found her grating.

[Trumpocalypse]

11. Or too many Red Bull's lol

[nolabear]

21. So it wasn't just me.

I hesitate to come down on women for attitude but she was way over eager. People react to nerves differently but it wasn’t confidence inspiring. Mania (I don’t mean this in the pathological sense) is contagious and she made me feel distinctly jumpy.

[3catwoman3]

35. It was not just you. She, at least...

...initially, pretty hyper. Maybe just adrenalin, but she was definitely playing at 78 rpm.

[Blue_true]

41. Did she jump on the furniture like Tom Cruise? nt

[USALiberal]

38. Good description, I'm pretty sure he'll be one of the first people dropping out. NT

[solara]

12. Nope. Not at all interested in her

If she becomes the nominee I will vote for her. But at the moment, I find her quite annoying, actually. I am definitely more interested in the others.

[Ruby the Liberal]

13. Yes, watched it

Definitely not impressed.

As per the standard, yes, in the general, she would have my vote. She's pretty much at the bottom of my primary list though.

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. Nope, reading Al Franken's book instead.

Maybe another time.

[Trumpocalypse]

16. Harris called for Franken to resign too

And less than 5 minutes after Gillibrand.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Well, I'll be darned.

That must mean Gillibrand was leading the charge.

[Trumpocalypse]

20. So Harris was a blind follower?

Harris was the first to go on TV to call for Franken’s resignation. And she immediately benefited by getting Franken’s seat on the Judiciary committee.

[blue cat]

23. Okay

I blame all of them, especially KG.

[Trumpocalypse]

24. At least

you are supporting someone not involved.

[Blue_true]

44. If so and the others followed without thinking as you seem to imply Gillibrand did,

what does that say about the other Senators? What I think? Each of them reviewed the information that was available and came to their own conclusion, Gillibrand was, by chance, the first to announce her's.

[True Blue American]

76. That is a great book!

Huge, but it as so full of information! I read through.

[Buzz cook]

15. Her prewritten responce to question about Franken

Rang a bit hollow and that she wrote it as an applause line tics me off. But that she said Franken resigned of his own volition elides the fact that she and other democrats demanded that resignation.

[Trumpocalypse]

17. Warren was one of the Democrats

who called for Franken to resign.

[Buzz cook]

19. Yes she was.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/12/06/aide-says-warren-called-franken-and-told-him-should-resign/FB0n5aTIdNc3IiRM8gSwXN/story.html

Not happy with her about that.

Imho it was a political act meant to clear up the optics of the time.
In a small way it reminded me of when democrats add their votes to condemnation of ACORN when it was falsly accused of bad acts. Democrats were too frightened of guilt by association so they acted before the facts were in.

Sadly Warren was part of the stampede.

[Trumpocalypse]

22. Yet you still support her

[Buzz cook]

27. Yes I do.

Just as I still supported the democratic party after the ACORN failure.

I don't expect perfection from my politicians.

Even though I believe Gillibrand is more culpable in what I think of as the railroading of Franken I will still vote for her and support her fully if she gets the nomination.

My reasons for supporting Warren remain the same. She is highly knowledgeable on the issues I find important and is on the right side of those issues. She is able to explain her positions clearly and simply, in a way the right wing has difficulty spinning. Warren had lots of experience before her time in the senate and has a history of being a hard worker.

[Trumpocalypse]

28. How is she more culpable?

Especially when it was Warren who went to his office to tell him to resign?

[Buzz cook]

32. Gillibrand was by far the most vocal

and present of those calling for Franken's resignation. But I would have overlooked that (and will if she gets the nomination). But her response in this town hall set me off again. She was self serving and self aggrandizing. Doubling down on this issue that I would hope would raise second thoughts in most people.

Just to make clear all the female senators added their voices in calling for Franken's resignation rather than letting an investigation go forward. I am disappointed in them all. As well as of all the male senators who joined in.

[Trumpocalypse]

33. How was she the most vocal?

She made a Facebook post and gave a press conference with several other Senators.

And what investigation? The ethics committee doesn’t determine guilt or innocence, just if Congressional ethics rules were violated.

[Buzz cook]

34. So where do you stand on the issue?

What act by a politician would make you write them off?

And why do you pretend that Gillibrand only posted to facebook and held one press conference? And why do you pretend that Franken asking for an investigation by the appropriate group is just political theater? Do you think Franken would not have resigned if the committee had found against him? Or do you think that Franken did not warrant an opportunity to clear his name?

The issue here was overturning the will of the voters of Minnesota. There should be a process to that, don't you think?

[Trumpocalypse]

37. Why not answer my questions

and then I’ll answer yours.

[Buzz cook]

39. I have answered all of your questions.

Now its your turn.

[Trumpocalypse]

40. No you haven't.

[Buzz cook]

48. Yes I have nt

.

[Trumpocalypse]

50. No

You haven’t.

[Buzz cook]

52. Neener neener neener.

I have reviewed our iexchanges and it sure does look like I have responded to all your questions and you refuse to respond to mine. If you disagree point out where I have not and where you have?

[Trumpocalypse]

69. No you haven't

[oasis]

55. Kobluchar didn't call for Franken to resign. She wanted "due process".

Which would have been the correct path to take.

[Trumpocalypse]

67. Due process refers to criminal prosecutions

Did Kobluchar think Franken had committed a crime?

[oasis]

72. Klobuchar knows the meaning of "due process".

So that would be a NO.

[Agschmid]

77. +1

[dsc]

78. That is baldly false

It wasn't true when it was put in the Magna Carta, it wasn't true when it was part of the 5th Amendment, it wasn't true when it was put in as part of the 14th, and it isn't true now. Due process applies to both criminal and civil proceedings as well as being why rights such as the 1st Amendment rights are applicable to the states.

[Trumpocalypse]

82. Yes that is true

Civil trials, not an ethics committee hearing.

[brooklynite]

26. Real Democratic voters applauded her response...

...perhaps they don't spend enough time on political blogs.

[Buzz cook]

29. The audience did indeed applaud.

But I'm sure you don't mean to imply that people who disagreed with Gillibrand's call for resignation are not real democrats.

[brooklynite]

42. Certainly not ordinary ones...

[Trumpocalypse]

31. Lol nt

[USALiberal]

36. Lol, i'll give you credit for not giving up. It is amusing. nt

[brooklynite]

43. Only after the Franken brigade took a position...

[Buzz cook]

45. And what position did the Franken brigade take?

What is your position?

[USALiberal]

51. I think Franken did not court your support or something. Nt

[brooklynite]

53. My FEC records...

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?two_year_transaction_period=2008&committee_id=C00432278&contributor_name=bastian%2C+christian&min_date=01%2F01%2F2007&max_date=12%2F31%2F2008

We met and chatted several times. I liked his work in the Senate. But I also respect womens' claims of harassment (and no, they weren't all easily dismissed as RW operatives). And when every other Democratic Senator (except Manchin) says they can't work with him, I take that seriously.

[USALiberal]

58. Well, you also LOVE superdelegates, so maybe not the best example. Nt

[brooklynite]

59. Care to elaborate?

I guess in the Donald Trump era, only extreme emotional opinions are acceptable?

[StevieM]

46. Whatever you think of Franken, there's no getting around the fact that Gillibrand is being dishonest

Franken was driven from the Senate. The Democrats made it clear that he would not be allowed to get anything done if he stayed. They bullied him out.

Gillibrand is making it sound like Franken decided he couldn't survive the ethics investigation. And she knows that is not what happened.

[hlthe2b]

81. +++++++++++++ (the revisionist history being promoted notwithstanding)

[stonecutter357]

30. nope !

[Maru Kitteh]

49. If she should happen to gain more momentum I'll spend some time checking her out

but nah, not tonight.

[Irishxs]

54. Watched, but she's just not my choice.

[democratisphere]

56. No interest.

[KPN]

57. Oh, geez, I missed it. Oh well.

[brooklynite]

60. She's extremely energetic...

I wonder if that'll give her an edge over Klobuchar.

I thought she elaborated on a range of policies that address issues voters care about.

[elleng]

61. She did elaborate on policies, but not to the extent Warren did (on CNN.)

[brooklynite]

62. Gillibrand is running in a more centrist lane with Klobuchar and Hickenlooper (and likely Biden)

Warren is going to have to find room between Bernie and Beto.

[emulatorloo]

63. Gillibrand just seems blah to me vs Klobuchar, Hickenlooper, and Biden

Both Biden and Warren can get under Trump’s skin. Colorado resident here, Hickenlooper is good but can be characterized as a waffler.

I usually support the most left candidate in the primary, but my criteria is different this year. WE NEED TO WIN. Bottom line most of our candidates have the same values and same message.

[SKKY]

64. Watched her instead of Warren. I already know what I need to about Warren...

...Meh. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, no doubt, but she's not my first choice. So far, and even with Beto Mania running wild, I have yet to see anything that changes my mind about Kamala. I guess the kids these days would say I'm her ride or die.

[Pachamama]

80. +1000

Same here....

Harris/Biden or Biden/Harris..... I am convinced that is the winning ticket...

[TreasonousBastard]

75. I watched it earlier, and am quite happy with her as my senator, but...

don't have her that high on my list.

But, she's far from the bottom.

And I don't hold a grudge over Franken. I think there's a dark story in the background that we may or may not find out about.

And, we are talking about the president here-- that's a serious choice and should not be decided by one incident that we don't fully understand.

[samplegirl]

79. I could never vote for her

I think Al Franken should still be here. I watched Warren she’s worked hard. I like what she stands for.Shes been constant!