
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:26 AM
Hassin Bin Sober (25,414 posts)
Nate Silver is a joke
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
29 replies, 2881 views
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Author | Time | Post |
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Hassin Bin Sober | Oct 2019 | OP |
Renew Deal | Oct 2019 | #1 | |
NurseJackie | Oct 2019 | #7 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2019 | #19 | |
left-of-center2012 | Oct 2019 | #2 | |
TheRickles | Oct 2019 | #4 | |
bucolic_frolic | Oct 2019 | #3 | |
jcgoldie | Oct 2019 | #5 | |
sharedvalues | Oct 2019 | #28 | |
ritapria | Oct 2019 | #6 | |
honest.abe | Oct 2019 | #8 | |
BlueMississippi | Oct 2019 | #9 | |
Amimnoch | Oct 2019 | #10 | |
NurseJackie | Oct 2019 | #13 | |
scheming daemons | Oct 2019 | #11 | |
NurseJackie | Oct 2019 | #14 | |
LanternWaste | Oct 2019 | #12 | |
TidalWave46 | Oct 2019 | #15 | |
brooklynite | Oct 2019 | #16 | |
TwilightZone | Oct 2019 | #17 | |
elocs | Oct 2019 | #18 | |
Politicub | Oct 2019 | #20 | |
TidalWave46 | Oct 2019 | #22 | |
Hassin Bin Sober | Oct 2019 | #25 | |
Celerity | Oct 2019 | #21 | |
comradebillyboy | Oct 2019 | #23 | |
Skid Rogue | Oct 2019 | #24 | |
BeckyDem | Oct 2019 | #26 | |
lapucelle | Oct 2019 | #27 | |
Gothmog | Oct 2019 | #29 |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:29 AM
Renew Deal (80,552 posts)
1. Silver is right
There is a difference between presidential campaigns and house campaigns. The joke is that some people don't understand that.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:10 AM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
7. You're correct about that.
The joke is that some people don't understand that. You're correct about that. So in frustration and desperation, they attack the messenger while ignoring the facts that do not comport with the narrative to which many are emotionally attached and invested.
Fact of the matter is, BS will not be our party's nominee. The AA/POC voters are not with him (as we've seen so clearly) and without that support, he may as well go home. There can be no denying that AA/POC voters will be very important in choosing our party's nominee. I mean... just consider this: BS can't even get AA/POC voters to attend a BS rally held at a BLACK church in a MAJORITY BLACK city. Of course, I'm referring to his rally in North Charleston, SC not long ago. It had so LITTLE ethnic diversity that it looked like he could have been somewhere Vermont. In fact, based on the statistics, the demographics at that rally was even whiter than Vermont. It's obvious that the AA and POC community are rejecting BS and the BS campaign. BS just doesn't connect with that community. The BS message just isn't resonating. All I'm saying is, with such a humiliating rejection by the AA and POC communities, and without their vote, BS doesn't stand a chance. Everyone knows it. These fundraising numbers are not the same as actual votes (which he cannot muster) and without them, he won't be our party's nominee. That's all I'm saying. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 04:51 PM
Hortensis (55,079 posts)
19. The solid Democratic base of all colors and ethnicities isn't with him.
Of course. People who vote strongly for Democratic values against Republican corruption really don't like to be called Republicans.
Further, even his avowed supporters have poor turnout records in the primaries. And then some. Coming home to family activities after work correlates a lot better with voting than going to rallies in college towns. Many aren't even registered to vote, and of course others aren't registered Democrat in states where that's required. Wish I had a figure for that, but if he's tied with another candidate he's actually behind by a few to several percentage points. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:30 AM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
2. Can't read it ???
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #2)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:36 AM
TheRickles (1,352 posts)
4. Click on each section
and drag it off to the side - the rest of the column becomes visible.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:34 AM
bucolic_frolic (35,355 posts)
3. Silver's a solid pollster
though I think his big outside the box calls are behind him.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:48 AM
jcgoldie (10,048 posts)
5. He's not a pollster at all
He aggregates and analyzes polls. And he's the best at what he does in my opinion.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:24 PM
sharedvalues (6,916 posts)
28. He's a terrible political analyst
And a solid pollster, I agree.
He should stop the analysis. Most egregiously, he seems to be unaware of the influence of rightwing media and takes all their lies at face value. He just accepts that Fox viewers believe lies and he thinks it’s ok — or at least never questions it. Had to give up on his podcast because of this problem. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:06 AM
ritapria (1,812 posts)
6. Silver is letting his political preferences cloud his judgement
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:10 AM
honest.abe (7,125 posts)
8. Those comments would seem to be in conflict but I think they are both correct in the examples given.
The comment about taking over the House is more a general statement about the value of fundraising. The comment about Sanders fundraising is more specific relating to a Presidential campaign where we have lots of other information, eg detailed and repeated polling, that provides more accurate prediction of a candidate's success.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:14 AM
BlueMississippi (776 posts)
9. I see no contradiction there.
One tweet defines relative predictive value of total fundraising.
The other tweet defines the value of small donations vs large donations. But Nate Silver is under the bus because he didn't write flowery praise and effusive sermons worshiping the modern messiah. ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:15 AM
Amimnoch (4,558 posts)
10. "taking back the House" vs Presidential elections.
Anyone who thinks they can equate the 2 is who's the Joke.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Amimnoch (Reply #10)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 03:26 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
13. Yes. This. Thank you.
![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 01:03 PM
scheming daemons (25,487 posts)
11. Nate is right.... and Bernie has almost no shot of winning the Dem nomination
he has a hard ceiling of about 20% of the Democratic primary electorate.... and it doesn't matter how much money he raises.... he has 100% name recognition, and there are no new voters for him to get that he doesn't already have. He will languish between 2nd and 3rd place in every poll for the remainder of the nomination fight. Though Buttigieg is who I'm leaning toward.... this nomination is actually Warren's to lose. She is the only one really increasing her share of the primary electorate. Biden and Sanders have pretty much hit their ceilings. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to scheming daemons (Reply #11)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 03:29 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
14. Great observations, descriptions and explanations.
I'm with you. This is not Bernie's year. It's not his turn. This was his "last chance" and he's not entitled to anything. He needs to go back to Vermont and just be satisfied with being a senator. (And if possible, it would be nice if he stops smearing and attacking the Democratic party... that's not helping.)
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 02:49 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
12. "Disqualifying...!!!"
Or something equally simplistic and without substance.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 03:57 PM
TidalWave46 (2,061 posts)
15. I have found that he often delivers great analysis.
I appreciate what he does.
Some people really enjoy looking for people to hate. It's a personality issue. Fearing the truth is not on Nate. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 04:00 PM
brooklynite (84,477 posts)
16. The principles behind Primaries and General Elections are different.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 04:00 PM
TwilightZone (21,570 posts)
17. Congressional and Presidential campaigns are two different things.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 04:57 PM
Politicub (12,138 posts)
20. The graphic is illegible. What's the current outrage about?
Did someone share an opinion or something?
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Politicub (Reply #20)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:03 PM
TidalWave46 (2,061 posts)
22. Can't you just be outraged without asking questions?
Your wanting to know anything here is outrageous.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Politicub (Reply #20)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:48 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (25,414 posts)
25. Do you need a tutorial on links and cursors?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:02 PM
Celerity (34,317 posts)
21. Jacobin
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:37 PM
comradebillyboy (9,718 posts)
23. Nate Silver triggers the Sanders camp. Bigly...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:42 PM
Skid Rogue (711 posts)
24. sometimes I don't like what Nate Silver says....
but he's better at this than most of us.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:04 PM
BeckyDem (7,582 posts)
26. The boy genious who never saw Trump coming.
pffft to him.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:04 PM
lapucelle (14,897 posts)
27. Nate Silver is mean.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:23 PM
Gothmog (124,378 posts)
29. I agree with Nate
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |