Breaking: Bernie had two stents put in yesterday.

[nolabear]

Per CNN. I wouldn’t have anyone’s run end that way, but it’s over. Damn.

[Cha]

1. What does that mean?

[Happy Hoosier]

6. MSNBC says....

He felt some chest discomfort at an event yesterday evening and was found to have artery blockages.

Not sure this ends his run, but it's not a positive.

Might explain why he has looked so run down lately.

[Cha]

18. Thank you, HH.. I had

to look up "stents".

[Mosby]

69. He has coronary artery disease.

It's really common and can't be cured.

[nolabear]

9. Chest pain. Blocked arteries. Sadly I know it well.

Mr. bear has had nine of the bastards put in over twenty years. I’ve driven behind an ambulance and sat outside the cardiac catheterization lab way too many times. He’s healthy but had a bypass and it’s taken years of intense effort.

I’m truly sorry but that will stop that bid.

[Cha]

20. Thank you, nola.. sorry about

what your husband had to go through.

[wysimdnwyg]

24. "I'm truly sorry but that will stop that bid."

Because your experience is the same as this one? I could just as easily counter your husband with my father. Over the past 40 years he's had two stents and a quadruple-bypass, and despite being roughly Bernie's age, he's still going strong. I'm not saying this WON'T end his bid, but so far there is NOTHING to suggest it's over for Bernie.

[nolabear]

37. You don't think the fear will impact his campaign?

I’m not wishing him any ill or that this ends it. But it will have an effect.

[wysimdnwyg]

43. From him? No

From his potential voters? Probably some. But I still see Bernie continuing his campaign for some time to come. Probably at least through Iowa and New Hampshire. If he were to come in third (or worse) in both of those states, it's probably over, but that was always the case. Even without this, I've long thought it likely we'd see a Warren-Biden 1-2 in both of those states.

[Hortensis]

48. I wish he was out of it, but he's much healthier now than yesterday.

Most patients are quickly up and running better than they have been for some time and, based on info available, he'll be able to continue with whatever he has planned.

Maybe it'll be to once again spend the summer before the GE claiming the Democratic Party is so corrupt that the only choice is to halt the battle against the Republicans on the 40 yard line and turn our focus on de-corrupting our party? After all, in spite of all his nationally publicized noise, we did refuse in 2016. We're still as massively corrupt and betraying of "the peoole" as ever, so that part of Sanders' crusade is still undone.

Or? What else? If nothing else, maybe he'll have enough new energy to do more than recite 40-year-old Sanders dogma and catchphrases.

[BlueMTexpat]

86. This.

My 88-year-old husband has had stents and quadruple bypass surgery. He's still going strong.

But then, he is not running for US President. And would never dream of doing so.

IMO, this is a warning bell for Bernie. Also, IMO, he should heed it.

[BannonsLiver]

71. Is your dad running for president and all that entails?

Because if not the comparison is more or less meaningless.

[wysimdnwyg]

72. Is nolabear's husband?

No, my father is not running for president, but I didn't suggest Bernie's situation was completely like my father's. I suggested that not all situations are the same and that for some people heart surgery does not mean the end of their ambitions. Mr. Bear's history has been on the more debilitating side doesn't mean any more about how to assess Bernie's situation than does my father's relatively healthy history (for a heart patient). But thanks for emphasizing my point.

[BannonsLiver]

73. Exactly.

Not all situations are the same. Running for president is an especially unique exercise. That’s why the comparison was meaningless.

[ecstatic]

87. Is it true that stents are a temporary fix and that a full

bypass is needed to correct the issue?

And sorry that your husband has had to deal with that issue for so long.

[4139]

13. Clogged arteries, was hospitalized yesterday, has cancelled all upcoming events

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/bernie-sanders-78-canceled-events-notice-hospitalized/story%3fid=66003850

[Cha]

23. Thank you, 4139.

[OxQQme]

42. Recovery from angioplasty and stenting is typically brief.

Recovery from angioplasty and stenting is typically brief. Discharge from the hospital is usually 12 to 24 hours after the catheter is removed. Many patients are able to return to work within a few days to a week after a procedure.

http://www.secondscount.org/treatments/treatments-detail-2/after-your-angioplasty--stenting-procedure

[tritsofme]

2. If Warren can consolidate Sanders voters to any degree, Biden could be in big trouble.

Good thoughts for Bernie!

[Loki Liesmith]

4. That's a bit soon don't you think

[True Dough]

5. Cue the "Sanders voters are more likely to migrate to Biden" posts

In 3, 2, 1...

[Cha]

26. Ah no.. nice try but no.

[TidalWave46]

60. The post you are replying to states the exact opposite. NT

[True Dough]

61. I'm fully aware of that

However, I've seen numerous instances of insistence to the contrary by DUer or two.

[TidalWave46]

63. This is a very funny sentence.

"However, I've seen numerous instances of insistence to the contrary by DUer or two."

Interesting that your issue wasn't with that poster doing the exact same thing you then make up about Biden supporters doing.

[True Dough]

65. I'm not making anything up

I've seen what I've seen.

[TidalWave46]

68. I'm sure you have seen numerous instances from a duer or two.

Like the original post you replied to in this discussion.

[LanternWaste]

70. Well shoot, I spent a month and half in Florida one afternoon.

[Indykatie]

82. Some Second Choice Polls Have Been Done for Each of the Candidates

Sanders voters mostly split between Warren and Biden with Biden taking slightly more. Folks shouldn't bother with the thought of Warren consolidating Bernie's support to take the lead but I'm sure we'll hear it; probably on this thread.

[B Stieg]

12. Agreed, but...

it's still all about appealing to black voters, and Bernie doesn't have a lot to give...

GET WELL, Bernie!

[Joe941]

22. The vultures are circling huh?

[Cha]

30. Where? Point out the vultures.

[LanternWaste]

50. Invisible vultures. That only you can see.

[ehrnst]

84. You mean like the ones hovering

over HRC when she fainted?

Apparently, for some, fainting made her unfit to continue running.

[UncleNoel]

44. The top second choice for Sanders supporters is Biden

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/

Let's hope it doesn't come to this.

Cheers Bernie! He's a tough old guy (from a tough old guy--er, I mean me 84 years old.)

[herding cats]

3. Bernie Sanders recovering from emergency heart surgery

Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign says the Vermont senator had surgery Tuesday to insert two cardiac stents.

According to a statement by senior advisor Jeff Weaver on Wednesday:

“During a campaign event yesterday evening, Sen. Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted. Sen. Sanders is conversing and in good spirits.

He will be resting up over the next few days. We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.”

https://www.mychamplainvalley.com/news/local-news/bernie-sanders-recovering-from-emergency-heart-surgery/

Short article no more at link.

[nolabear]

19. Thank you for the details. That's a rough road though he may be okay.

Means there’s a worry re the future though.

[herding cats]

47. I wish him a speedy recovery.

He's fortunate they caught it in time and I expect he'll be back out there soon.

The campaign trail schedule is rough on anyone, that he'd been doing this with cardiovascular disease had to make it much rougher on him. He should feel better after this procedure.

[OldRed2450]

7. Get well soon Bernie.

[True Dough]

8. I have my misgivings about Bernie

but I wish him a speedy recovery and good health.

[SidDithers]

10. Yup...

Link to tweet

?s=21

Sid

[Hoyt]

11. Many people bounce back from that quickly, nowadays.

[still_one]

14. Actually a stent to open up blockages should not prevent someone from leading a normal life

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[Poiuyt]

59. Being president of the United States is not a normal life

The stress must be incredible.

[wysimdnwyg]

15. Oh come on.

People have stents put in all the time, and the vast majority of them continue to lead full and active lifestyles (well, as active as they were before, if not moreso). There is nothing to suggest this will end Bernie's campaign.

[katmondoo]

21. It may not end it but it won't help. People will worry about it, the presidency is a tough job.

[wysimdnwyg]

34. I can't argue that

There is certainly a concern about age in general (cue Biden defenders and a certain element of anti-Biden voters), and age AND health issues is a bad combination for wary voters. I'm just saying there's no reason to suspect this will outright end it.

[nolabear]

28. I could write a book. My husband has nine.

He did get up and has led an active, normal life. He’s also had nine. He’s got nitro in his pocket and takes drugs that he has to be constantly monitored for. He travels a lot, does jiujitsu and every now and then I find myself either hauling him to the ER or following an ambulance. Bernie’s experience may be far different but perception won’t be.

I wish him no ill. Believe me.

[UncleNoel]

45. That's good news. Without Bernie in the race

there would be a big hole. We need all our great candidates.

[wysimdnwyg]

56. Agreed

Bernie isn't even in my top five, but he's still a valuable contributor to the conversation.

[qazplm135]

16. it's a little early

to declare his run over.

Why not just wait a moment??

[Zoonart]

17. Get well Bernie.

Truly hope for your speedy recovery.

[dalton99a]

25. I wish him a complete recovery.

[MiniMe]

27. I had a stent put in almost 10 years ago

No problems since then. It doesn't necessarily end his campaign, but it definitely damages it, mostly because of public perception.

[nolabear]

32. That's my point. And it's hard to predict. I'm not grave dancing.

I feel for him.

[loyalsister]

95. And

The statement suggested that they were waiting for more tests. The stents could easily be a first step with more significant treatment ahead.
I think it's too early to assume anything. I think he has supporters who are feeling anything from optimistic to anxious and maybe still very confident. I respect those feelings because I know what it is like to invest time and emotional energy in a candidate.
For their sake, I hope we see the best possible outcome.

[MiniMe]

96. IMHO, the campaign isn't helping itself today

The campaign won't say where Bernie is, if he has been released from the hospital or not. It is possible that they are waiting for more test results, but the campaign isn't handling it well.

[Cousin Dupree]

29. Many people are back up and running a few days after stents. Too early to make pronouncements

[madaboutharry]

35. Running for President isn't the same

as normal everyday activities. Campaigning is grueling.

I wish him well, but I don't see how he can go on the road anytime soon.

[Peacetrain]

31. Ahh geez... Get well soon..

truly wishing you the best

[pnwmom]

33. Here's the ABC story.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-78-canceled-events-notice-hospitalized/story?id=66003850

Sen. Bernie Sanders, 78, was hospitalized in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"During a campaign event yesterday evening, Sen. Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted. Sen. Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days," said Sanders’ senior adviser Jeff Weaver on Wednesday in a statement. "We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.”

ABC News first learned from officials about the Vermont senator being hospitalized after his plans to attend a presidential gun forum changed. He is one of three septuagenarians in the Democratic primary, and the oldest. If elected he would be the oldest president to serve.

Sanders last public campaign event was Tuesday night in Nevada.

SNIP

[highplainsdem]

36. Oh, no. Prayers for a quick recovery. And please, people, don't be so quick to write off

his campaign.

He'll obviously need a bit of time to recuperate, but many people live a long time in quite good health after having stents put in. If he wants to resume his campaign soon, he should do so, and we should all wish him the best.

[nolabear]

39. Of course I hope for that too.

[HeartlandProgressive]

38. Sad to hear this, I am glad they caught it now.

Take care and rest Bernie.

[Aaron Pereira]

40. Sorry to hear that.

My dad had a couple of stents inserted and he was back to his usual routine in a week. Hopefully Bernie will get well soon and be able to return to work.

[honest.abe]

41. I wish Bernie a speedy recovery.

But this should be a reminder of what can happen with 70+ candidates on the road non-stop, no-sleep and all the stress that goes with a Presidential campaign.

[NYMinute]

46. I wish him a speedy recovery and a return to the campaign trail. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

49. I wouldn't count him out yet.

Had a co-worker do this last week, and day 2, we had to tell him to STAY HOME and rest. Like, seriously. Rest.

[DrFunkenstein]

51. If I Took in $25 Million in Three Months

I'd probably need a routine heart procedure, too.

Get well soon, Bernie. See you back on the trail in no time!

[democrank]

52. Stay strong, Bernie

and thanks for all you’ve done for veterans.

[stopbush]

53. It's wishful thinking to believe that this event has not effectively ended Sanders' bid for the

nomination. It has.

It doesn’t matter that the procedure is common, or that most people recover and lead better lives. This is a presidential election run, with all of the leading candidates in their 70s. Age and health has been the elephant in the room. Well, that elephant just had a spotlight put on it. To not talk about it would be more damning than to address it. This will directly impact Sanders candidacy and will most likely impact to a lesser degree the campaigns of Biden, Warren and even tRump.

[Paladin]

55. Agreed. Bernie needs to gracefully withdraw. (nt)

[MrsCoffee]

57. Agreed.

[TidalWave46]

62. If he had a heart attack it is over.

Pretty sure he will keep going if this was found before a heart attack.

[Deb]

54. Over?

My husband has 3 times gone in for heart angioplasty and returned to work by the following Monday. I'm keeping positive thoughts for Bernie's recovery.

[TidalWave46]

58. My mother had two stents put in within two hours of being admitted into the hospital...

for a heart attack.

This is no bullshit. Within two days after her heart attack she had more energy than she had in years. It ended up being a pretty dramatic increase in her quality of life. Zero limitations were placed on her. That was at 72 years old. Now at 75 she feels amazing.

I don't know how the image itself will play out or exactly what happened but there is a chance this will actually give him more energy and drive.

I also want to add that Sanders has been sick lately. While more common in women, heart attacks often present themselves like a cold or flu. It's not uncommon for someone elderly to be walking around after having a heart attack for weeks thinking that they are simply under the weather. Again, much more common in women than men. Still, worth mentioning that Sanders seems to have been "sick" lately.

[SeattleVet]

64. My experience, also.

I had 2 stents installed 14 months ago after a heart attack. Walked out the day after they put them in, resumed normal activities, and had a lot more energy than I had in the months before the event.

[MiniMe]

66. Public perception is everything in this case

And running for President is pretty grueling. He should gracefully withdraw. I wish him the best and hope he will feel better. I had a stent put in about 10 years ago

[TidalWave46]

67. I think he can charge through it if it wasn't a heart attack.

If that word comes out it is clearly over. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he was going to win. I think this will hurt his effort even more. But Sanders is Sanders and he might just charge forward.

[BannonsLiver]

74. It's time for Bernie to withdraw

[Joe941]

75. Stents are a common out patient procedure. This is a nothing burger.

[BannonsLiver]

79. Time will tell

Hopefully if he does decide it’s time to get out his supporters will be understanding, rather than calling serious medical problems a “nothing burger”.

[Pathwalker]

81. Not usually an outpatient procedure. Not when you have to

lay flat on your back for 6 hours after, followed by observation. My husband's procedure for ONE stent was 24 hours hospitalization, my 2 procedures for 4 stents total were 3 and 2 days hospitalization. Mine were the result of heart attacks. Not a nothing burger at all, but I believe Sen. Sanders will be feeling much better than he has very soon.

[ehrnst]

85. "Nothingburger?"

Maybe compared to walking pneumonia, but still...

[George II]

90. A nothing burger that comes with a sirloin steak price tag.

[mcar]

93. Uh huh

[NurseJackie]

88. A loved-one of mine died a couple of days following a "routine procedure" like this.

Whistling past the graveyard (if you'll pardon the expression) really does nothing to change the severity and seriousness of any invasive procedure like this. I know it's frightening, but the best way to deal with one's fear of what's dead ahead and unavoidable is to just admit it and to be brave (and informed) no matter how dreary things may appear to be.

It really serves no good purpose for anyone to try and deny that there's a serious underlying condition. It's obviously not just going to just go away magically when stents are inserted. Heart disease progresses slowly and cumulatively... there has been damage, we just don't know how much... but if it was enough to cause chest pains, and if it was enough to warrant this emergency procedure, then it must have been pretty damn serious.

Listen, all I'm trying to say is that there's a BIG difference between having a positive outlook and being in some sort of aggressive denial about things. Try to be brave.

[George II]

89. So much of a nothing burger that they kept him overnight and maybe even still in the hospital...

That's not an outpatient situation.

[NurseJackie]

91. "That's not an outpatient situation."

That's not an outpatient situation.

You're right about that. This is much more serious than they're letting-on... and more serious than many are willing to admit.

[sheshe2]

94. Is he in ICU?

[Frustratedlady]

76. With the proper medication, he should be OK.

I have had several stents and continued on, as usual. Of course, he would have to calm down his campaign, but should still be able to do pretty much as he had done before.

My first stents were 20 years ago and, aside from age-related problems, I haven't noticed much difference from before.

Good luck to him.

[dsc]

77. assuming that is all there is

there is no reason it should end his campaign. My dad had two bypass surgeries (one in his 40's the other in his early 60's) and had several stints over the years (both between the bypasses and after the 2nd one). Until his 2nd bypass he was able to work. After he still did part time work and volunteered and that was with at least two massive heart attacks which damaged his heart considerably. Assuming Sanders did have a heart attack, and it sounds like he didn't, then I don't see why this would end his campaign. He will feel much better post stent.

[Baclava]

78. Did they call it a heart attack?

Chest pain with blocked arteries needing surgery in ordinary people would be called a heart attack.

[NurseJackie]

92. I'm afraid we're not being told everything.

Chest pain with blocked arteries needing surgery in ordinary people would be called a heart attack.

I'm an ordinary person, and that's what I'd call it too. I'm afraid we're not being told everything.

[Croney]

80. We may see a healthier, invigorated Bernie out of this.

He has been looking bad for a while, IMO, and this could give him a whole new level of energy and vigor.

I won't be unhappy if he drops out, but I really don't think he needs to if he's back to good health.

[Lucid Dreamer]

83. I'd like to see Bernie stay in.

He is not my first choice candidate for sure, but this sure makes a great story line.
I hope he has the energy to keep going.

I'm not far from his age and I want to go out running somewhere... not bedridden.

C'mon Bernie!