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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:42 AM Nov 2019

"FOR GODS SAKE stop the nonsense of raging over whether there is a public option

or Medicare for all as a primary voting issue, or whether someone is a “corporate democrat” or a “socialist”. None of that matters this time. We are IN this position because idiots...
14...did not recognize what was at stake in 2016, played silly games about “both sides are equally bad.” This is the same game that was played in the German federal elections in 1932, where people voting for the “can’t win” candidate gave enormous power to Hitler...
15...just three years later, Hitler declared a national emergency, dissolved the legislature and called for new elections. And soon after that, the “protest candidate and his supporters were locked up."

Some perspective from Kurt Eichenwald at: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1190367840454533120.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"FOR GODS SAKE stop the nonsense of raging over whether there is a public option (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 OP
It's stupid beyond words jberryhill Nov 2019 #1
All the angels dancing on the head of the health care pin are driving me nuts. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #2
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #3
I agree with both of you. Nt spooky3 Nov 2019 #5
This. Exactly this. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #7
yes lets avoid issues that might cost us the presidency. no prob nt msongs Nov 2019 #4
Mahalo, for Kurt Eichenwald, TVO! Cha Nov 2019 #6
"We are IN this position because idiots did not recognize what was at stake in 2016 ... ." betsuni Nov 2019 #8
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. It's stupid beyond words
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:49 AM
Nov 2019

Any plan needs to pass Congress and will be utterly reworked in the process. We don’t have a parliamentary system where the ruling party simply proceeds with a legislative program.

Beyond “these are the kinds of things I’d push for” there’s no reason to behave as if any particular detailed program proposed by any of them would become a reality anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
2. All the angels dancing on the head of the health care pin are driving me nuts.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:56 AM
Nov 2019

None of these plans have the slightest chance of making it intact (or recognizable) through the congressional meat grinder, and it's beyond disingenuous to pretend they do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

 

spooky3

(34,439 posts)
5. I agree with both of you. Nt
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 01:14 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
7. This. Exactly this.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 02:24 AM
Nov 2019

We need to make sure that a strong Dem is elected President and that we ALL work hard to ensure that whoever that Dem is gets a Dem majority in BOTH houses.

That is our task!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,395 posts)
4. yes lets avoid issues that might cost us the presidency. no prob nt
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 01:06 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,154 posts)
6. Mahalo, for Kurt Eichenwald, TVO!
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 01:46 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,468 posts)
8. "We are IN this position because idiots did not recognize what was at stake in 2016 ... ."
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:28 AM
Nov 2019

IDIOTS. Too many idiots.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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