Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumPelosi: Ideas like Medicare For All and free college may fire up the left but won't beat Trump.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)courts will be packed with conservatives.
We need to win first then bring our ideas to the floor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,279 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,957 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mme. Defarge
(7,982 posts)She has more than earned my respect and trust.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And as we've seen in the past, the "youth vote" loves to attend rallies and post online, but for some reason they don't vote in the same percentages or as reliably as older voters. Historically unreliable and just not enough of them to make a difference when it counts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
billpolonsky
(270 posts)Is she TRYING to keep voters away from the polls?
Lord help us all
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,909 posts)helped get us our House Victory in 2018.. we wouldn't be going through Impeachment inquiries now without that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)Brilliance that is Nancy Pelosi.
Thank you for that reminder, George
And, so did Joe Biden!
When we passed the Affordable Care Act, I told President Obama it was a big deal or something to that effect.
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)given her experience. And she has been proven right about these things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)before we can even BEGIN to build something..
That would limit the ambitions of an Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)in charge we must PAY AS WE GO
I expect to hear this from pubs but not from democratic leaders
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)So there's that. It's just as good or better a bet that running on the status quo will get Democrats beat in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,954 posts)...so maybe the better answer is to be more ambitious in our plans."
People didn't vote for Trump because they wanted incremental change... they wanted to shake things up. I would not assume that sentiment is gone. Maybe things just need to be shaken up in a different direction.
I guess in part it depends on how much you think Hillary lost based on platform vs. how much she lost just because she was Hillary. If it was really the latter, then another "incremental change" candidate can make sense, but to the extent that people aren't excited by "small steps," maybe it is a more adventurous platform that is needed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)Saw a recent poll where people still want change. Tweaking and incremental aren't going to excite enough to get out and vote, exactly the problem in 2016 (along with cheating which we will see again in 2020).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,301 posts)I need to double-check to see if I'm at Democratic Underground.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)why we're Impeaching the psychotic asshole now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)She said we won't beat rrump with those proposals; we didn't beat him in 2016 when we didn't have them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...will it come to pass?
"Democrats in 2008 didn't have those ideas" and yet Democrats won in 2008. Same thing in 2012.
Ah, the ol' ubiquitous "status quo", of which I've never seen anyone able to provide a definition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)So was mine.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I stand with the leader of our Party, Speaker Pelosi
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Remember November, she added. You must win the Electoral College.
While the California Democrat declined to endorse any candidate in the primary race, she unloaded on progressive policies, saying they fail to make inroads with swing voters who backed President Trump in 2016.
As a left-wing San Francisco liberal I can say to these people: What are you thinking? Pelosi said. You can ask the left theyre unhappy with me for not being a socialist.
The speaker specifically singled out Medicare for All as an example of a policy that may be beyond the pale for moderate voters the party will need to win back next year.
Protect the Affordable Care Act I think thats the path to health care for all Americans. Medicare For All has its complications, Pelosi said, adding that the Affordable Care Act is a better benefit than Medicare.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Voters in a key swing state like Michigan are not sold on progressive candidates
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At least thats the historic argument for why a moderate Democrat could have the advantage in swing states, said Matt Grossman, director of Michigan State Universitys Institute for Public Policy and Social Research. While Democrats consider which of their candidates is best positioned to beat Trump, recent polling suggests Democrats in Michigan and other general election battlegrounds are motivated to vote but less enthusiastic about progressive policy ideas.,,,,
A majority of Democratic voters in Michigan put Medicare for All at the bottom of their health care priorities, the KFF survey found. Union members have also expressed issues with losing health benefits they fought for over decades of negotiations with employers.
Candidates in the moderate lane like Biden and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg favor expanding coverage under the Obama-era Affordable Care Act. Biden and Buttigieg support giving people the option of buying-in to Medicare but dont want to expand it to everyone.
Bidens campaign has come out swinging against Warrens Medicare for All plan, saying its too costly and would hike taxes on the middle-class.
Trump and other Republicans call Medicare for All a socialist" policy, portraying the plan as reckless and expensive. The danger of socialism is poised to get a lot of mileage in Republican campaign messaging during the next year, Grossman said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)probably would have. Anyone who won't vote because they are not excited enough is just shooting themselves in the foot and making it take longer long term. If Bernie himself won, Congress would not be liberal enough for his ideas to pass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)See I can specualte just as easily. And they didn't have to have Bernie to have those ideas. Point stands. They didn't have those ideas and they lost. And it could happen again in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Proof than I.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)Which make your claims pointless, as I pointed out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)liberal who finds these bold, new ideas to be losing propositions. And no, we cant keep increasing
our record high debt.
I want to hear candidates address existing programs in perilMedicare, Social Security, Medicaid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,148 posts)is like poison in the purple states. The Republicans will hang that, Beto's gun confiscation and whatever AOC says around our candidate's neck whoever it is. Those ideas my have done too much damage already. But any anyone of them got my vote over Trump. I am just concerned we will run someone too far left to win the EC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,148 posts)by Democrats 10 years ago now every office is held by Republicans. It is social issues , loss of union jobs and guns that have turned it Republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Too far left will be a disaster.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,909 posts)Beating trump like she helped Beat the repubs in the 2018 Blue Wave House Victory.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,670 posts)We have to beat that fascist or the next 30 years are going to be a nightmare for this country.. maybe beyond that.
THIS IS NO TIME TO BE A GOD DAMNED PURIST!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)Thats a concern for some too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nini
(16,670 posts)It's the way they're framed and what expectations are in getting them done. It can be done but half the population is going to see 'trillions' and freak out. The GOP will run on big tax Democrats and get away with it because uninformed people are stupid. It's reality. 40 years of right with brainwashing simply is not going to be done in one swoop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)The only thing shes adding to the discussion is divisiveness.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)the House as well by running on unpopular ( in the general) policy. Nancy who has the best political instincts of any politician is warning us that we could lose in 20.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)and we will hear about how "disappointed" people are in them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)On the other hand, one also might simplistically and implicitly trivialize her to appear clever.
You chose poorly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)The purpose of a Political Party is not to keep the Donors happy with incremental change ..Deliver for the people and they will deliver for you .. Playing around the edges lead to the rise of Newt Gingrich , George W. Bush and Donald Trump ..The New Deal lead to 5 Electoral College Landslides .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MarcA
(2,195 posts)prevent an economic downturn, it will only make it worse when one occurs.
Democrats need to constantly let this be known. I suspect some of this timidness
comes from fear Of and fear By the Beltway insiders and Wall Street types.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I and other true Democrats have been working hard to turn Texas blue. We hope to pick up six congressional seats in addition to the two seats we flipped in 2018. We have a chance to defeat Cornyn in the Senate. The Democrats picked up 12 seats in the Texas House and need 9 more to take control of the Texas House prior to the next redistricting session. If Biden is the nominee, Texas will be a battleground state. If Warren or sanders is the nominee. Texas will not be a battle ground state and we can forget about keeping the two seats that we flipped in 2018
Speaker Pelosi is worried about losing control of the House with a weak top of the ballot ticket with a program that will kill down ballot candidates
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This is going to cause down-ballot damage in swing districts and states if shes the nominee, Buentello says, describing how her Pueblo-area constituents who voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump in 2016 were already echoing criticisms about a giant, one-size-fits-all big government run plan that cancels private health insurance and raises taxes.
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The fear of blowback is indicative of the broad and largely negative response to Warrens proposal from centrist, moderate and rural Democrats many of whom, like Buentello, back Joe Biden in the primary. And it exposes the fault line between those who fret about winning voters in the center and the activist progressive base propelling Warren to the front of the Democratic pack.
The long-awaited plan to raise the $20.5 trillion she says is needed to pay for single-payer health care in America is Warrens attempt to answer critics after weeks of questions from rival candidates about the cost of her proposal and the prospect of higher taxes. Warren promised, as she has in the past, that "not one penny in middle-class tax increases is necessary to finance the effort.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)help people and help us win...a public option makes sense...MFA does not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)knowledgeable about their self-interest.
The purpose of a political party is to make a coalition that can win and thus govern.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)These "pay as you go" rules are regularly ignored when the war budget needs to be increased, or when a tax cut for the rich is proposed.
This mantra of not increasing the debt is a right wing talking point that is only mentioned when vital social spending is proposed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mvd
(65,148 posts)They sound afraid, and I do not like it. Even if you cant get Medicare For All passed right away, what good does it do to run away from it? Start with big ideas and then you can compromise from a better position. Which also brings me to the debt. It we have to go into debt, I would much rather do it for MFA than tax cuts for the rich!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The GOP, with the help of the US corporate media, is pushing the debate to the right, so this mythical center is actually a right wing spot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)What good is winning if you dont bring meaningful change?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
luxpara4
(41 posts)Will be for the worse. Pelosi is correct, win the election then make changes. Here in iowa The super liberal stuff is just not flying - even with trump haters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Bernie was the only candidate defeating Trump in Iowa : 51% -49%
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
luxpara4
(41 posts)But my husband and I wont do it again. I bet those numbers are from college kids who end up not actually voting - sad but true. Repubs here that hate trump say they will only vote for Biden or stay home. Hes not my 1st or 2nd, but I will vote for the dem candidate. Im sickened that others wont do that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demosincebirth
(12,518 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Well, the year gets old pretty fast and I'm guessing the old tune that 'polls don't matter!" isn't quite done yet and will be trotted out on a sandwich board again when ethically convenient.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)Theres meaningful change in that alone
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,279 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Warren too. No way this country will elect a late 70s Jewish socialist. Anti-semitism abounds. Im sure running against Bernie would be Trumps fondest wish.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)She wont vote for Trump either. The Socialist thing is a deal breaker for a lot of folks. Thats what kept him from getting the nomination last time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
theaocp
(4,223 posts)Unacceptable. May as well vote 3rd party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Bernies too, though I dont much care for the guy personally. Im just pragmatic. Comments like yours make my blood pressure rise. Do we want another four years of Trump? Do want to lose our democracy for good? Sheesh...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)as to their concept of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)From Madame Speaker. And the wise words:
Remember November
Because if we don't win then? We can kiss it all good-bye.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kid Berwyn
(14,651 posts)Is what we need.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,909 posts)like We Did in the 21 Century in 2018 Blue Wave Midterms!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Girard442
(6,059 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Could get substantial 'campaign contributions though'
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....with both parties participating, with the top two candidates going to the general election. More often than not, in heavily Democratic districts, two Democrats go to the general election, no republicans.
Here's the 2018 primary result:
Nancy Pelosi (D) 68.5% 141,365
Lisa Remmer (R) 9.1% 18,771
Shahid Buttar (D) 8.5% 17,597
Stephen Jaffe (D) 5.9% 12,114
Ryan Khojasteh (D) 4.6% 9,498
Barry Hermanson (G) 2.0% 4,217
Michael Goldstein (Independent) 1.4% 2,820
Total votes: 206,382
I don't think she's worried about Shahid Buttar, he couldn't even get enough votes to finish second and go to the general election.
BTW, she won the general election over Lisa Remmer by 86.8% to 13.2%
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(9,946 posts)"Trump is a bad guy" didn't work so well in 2016. Maybe it'll be enough in 2020, since Trump has been shown to be infinitely worse than anyone thought possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)education, climate change, and trade plus support for civil rights, and a dramatic change in foreign policy? Oh, and protection for our existing, imperiled social safety netMedicare, Medicaid, Social Security?
Every candidate has policy proposals, some more realistic and economically feasible than others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(9,946 posts)Left-leaning progressives believe the Democratic party should aspire to something more ambitious than the same old things moderate politicians have been promising for decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)legislatively sensible plans. Plans that throw the baby out with the bath water may appeal to a wing of the Democratic Party, granted a sizable minority, but not to the majority.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(9,946 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)stay home as a way of getting support for plans or candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
theaocp
(4,223 posts)if Sanders is the nominee. The best anyone can counter is, "he won't be the nominee, so there." Mind you, this is hypothetically talking about the GENERAL, so clean up on aisle moderate. Do so, or bring up some whataboutism. Cheers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)that here. All here are liberals. I responded to what I took as a threat in a postparty better adopt M4All or progressives are outta here.
I dont think a majority for progressives feel that way, however.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)health care and Trump is corrupt of course...you know it depends on where you are in the country...different things sell in different places.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Clinton, Pelosi, and Obama all need to stay out of the primary. Let the actual candidates pursue the nomination by sharing their best ideas with rank and file Democrats. There's no need for broad brush statements that privilege certain candidates and criticize others. That's a recipe for party division that sure didn't help in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Lot of establishment and conventional wisdom that "just knows" what is right....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)will cause us to lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Of course they can. But some actions have adverse consequences, like fomenting divisions in the party.
Let the candidates running for the presidency address rank and file Democratic voters during the primary. That's pretty simple to do and it respects the process better than headline grabbing opinions that turn up in opposition advertising.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Thanks for posting!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
eilen
(4,950 posts)Democrats held the House and the Senate in 1993.
Clinton had also raised taxes so there was an increase in revenue.
"The Deficit Reduction Act raised the top income tax rate from 28 percent to 36 percent for those earning more than $115,000, and 39.6 percent for income above $250,000. It increased the corporate income tax from 34 percent to 36 percent for corporations with incomes over $10 million. It also ended some corporate subsidies, taxed Social Security benefits for high-income earners, and created the earned income tax credit for incomes under $30,000.
It raised the gas tax by 4.3 cents per gallon. It also limited the ability of corporations to claim entertainment tax deductions." https://www.thebalance.com/president-bill-clinton-s-economic-policies-3305559
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...which was the original plan.
And "free college" is never going to work on a national level, but it can certainly be accomplished on a state-by-state basis.
Some states have already implemented "free college", most notably New York. Their program will be fully phased in by next year and provide free tuition to almost a million people at CUNY and SUNY schools.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)without debt is through tuition waiver programs at the state level.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)Just hang on, Nancy. It's a different world, and none of us know the new rules just yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....following the recent news, she's been proven correct....again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)But that wasn't what she said at the time. She thought impeachment was "divisive", and that it would "hurt the dems". If Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders wins the primary, Nancy will be totally in favor of them.
Just watch.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)felt given Trump's criminal behavior,there was no choice but it could still bite us in the butt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,471 posts)busting the Treasury with $30,000,000,000 MFA that will cut 200,000 jobs, we lose.
Warren made a mistake by coming out with Medicare for All. She should've pushed for building on the already in place and popular ACA to get us to MFA.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)those 200,000 jobs are about denying people coverage they have already paid for
plus many more jobs will be created in actually taking care of peoples healthcare needs
and repubs don't mind the deficient they are creating this year nearing a trillion bucks because of their tax decrease for the ulta rich
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)is and how she crunches numbers in her sleep. There is no other candidate running who has as firm a grasp on where every penny in our economy goes....she knows what she's talking about and can prove it. If she had access to the bully pulpit, she could educate the country on why those trillions spent on "health insurance" are just additional taxes people are paying to prop up an industry that is milking us dry, and messing up the medical system.
Our entire medical system under "privatized health insurance" is broken.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,471 posts)spewing their lie. Best to run on building the popular ACA which can lead to MFA.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)parts of the aca are popular but it isn't all that or Obama wouldn't have lost both the house and the senate
maybe if we demand m4a we will get a decent public option
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,471 posts)A public option among other things would be part of building on it.
Let's get real. Us progressive Dems of course want single-payer whether it's MFA or however it's arrived at but a 30 trillion dollar price tag scares other voters and we aren't the only ones voting.
We need to attract voters not scare them away to get rid of trump, which is of utmost importance if we want to keep our republic.
How 'bout we effin' win the WH first then when we have control we figure out how to do single-payer?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(3,993 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Cant believe how naive some folks are...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,096 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Auggie
(31,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)resulted in him committing a clear, impeachable act.
Notice that she is still not even touching the Mueller report, which the left was hammering away as warranting impeachment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)Obama was the same way. A progressive, but a pragmatic progressive.
These Sanders/Warren people are just emotionally reacting to the Trump Presidency by trying to go further to the left, when we should instead be reaching out to those in the middle turned off by Trump's extremism and incompetency.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
femmedem
(8,188 posts)I think persuading labor and looking for ways to include labor is far better than saying, "Ok, don't want to offend labor. Let's carry on wrecking the planet then."
This is an area where everything hinges on us moving far faster than is comfortable or acceptable to most people. We have to do it regardless. And we need our Democratic leaders helping to get this message out and pushing for this, not dismissing candidates with the courage to do what is necessary.
Speaker Pelosi, I love you. But this is a fail in my book.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Half measures lead to nowhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)priority RIGHT NOW needs to be a) getting elected and b) securing things the vast majority of American public is in agreement on ie social security/medicare/Medicaid and other existing social programs and public services, restoring environmental and worker protections, equal rights, voting rights, securing our election system, transparency in govt, anti-corruption measures, etc etc etc.
I really don't think we know the half of what damage has been done. The OLD new deal needs fighting for as much as a new one!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gore1FL
(21,030 posts)That way we'll be sure to win...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Republicanism. In other words, our way or the highway.
This is the very mentality the majority does not favor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,670 posts)I'm so tired of all that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gore1FL
(21,030 posts)I am tired of nominating GOP-lite to be safe. We end up with Bush and Trump when we do that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)the majority of people in the Democratic Party actually belongs in the Republican. In your world, only left progressives who subscribe to the notion of the transformation or the revolution are true Democrats.
Sorry, but you wont win any election with left progressives as your only voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gore1FL
(21,030 posts)We should absolutely abandon our values for false electoral narratives!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demosincebirth
(12,518 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,118 posts)...the base and our country with much needed 'revolutionary' ideas for 99% is the ONLY way we'll beat trump...
...'more of the same' won't cut it...'more of the same' brought us trump...
...think big and we will be rewarded...
...President Sanders will make it happen with the new found presidential 'leeway' created by trump and the republicans not supporting his impeachment...
...a hard-nosed President Sanders will get us MFA, one way or another...
...if you haven't noticed, the rules have changed...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)brought us Trump, Bernie can fix healthcare cause hes Bernie, if YOU out of step people have been asleep, well feel the Bern cause he is the change blah blah blah
Sorry, but only Bernie-world people believe this stuff.
I cant be hypnotized or lobotomized.
Hillary is not why we got Trump!
That is pure bs and shameful that Bernie or supporters still saying this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,118 posts)...support who you want, believe what you want...
...but why we got trump is much bigger than Hillary...it's 50 years of 'more of the same' that has decimated the middle class and our manufacturing base...it's 'more of the same' that has handed our political and economic systems to the 1% who now own it all...
...if you think 'more the same' is the way to go, then God Bless you...but it's going to be a lonely path...
...times have changed, things have changed and we must change along with them...people have wised up,
...they KNOW Bernie's going to deliver...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)progressives to stop acting like they do. Work on getting that power. Yeah, the times they are a changin. No, the party majority, liberals, are not Mr. Jones. And Bernie is neither prophet nor
The change. This smug attitude his supporters demonstrate is actually what holds him back.
Obama talked change and he brought some, but he was never arrogant. This get with the program or you will be left behind refrain is old 🎩. Heard it in the 60s. Times have changed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beringia
(4,314 posts)But it seems she must have had big dreams to have the ambition she has. Was she emboldened and inspired by the 60s feminist movement, her family? She sounds like a pragmatist and not a visionary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)pragmatic...the best combination in my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)You are correct. It was Speaker Pelosi who got the ACA adopted
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I and a good number of real democrats are working hard to turn Texas blue. In 2018, we flipped 12 seats in the Texas House and 2 congressional seats. We need to pick up 9 seats in the Texas House of Representatives to flip this body and control redistricting. I am working on 2 campaigns for state house seats. The DCCC has targeted 6 congressional seats and I am working on one of these campaigns. If Texas down ballot candidates are forced to run on an unpopular policy such as Warren's plan, we will lose these races I really like Larry Sabato and agree with this study http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/medicare-for-all-a-vote-loser-in-2018-u-s-house-elections/
Several Democratic candidates, including former Vice President Joe Biden, who has led in most national polls, have been highly critical of this idea. These candidates, along with a number of health policy experts and pundits, have attacked Sanders and Warrens Medicare for All proposal as prohibitively expensive and politically unrealistic. They have also argued that embracing Medicare for All would alienate many independents and moderate Democrats and risk costing Democrats the electoral votes of several key swing states.....
Conclusions
An analysis of the impact of Medicare for All on the 2018 House elections indicates that Democratic challengers and open seat candidates in competitive districts who endorsed a version of Medicare for All similar to that proposed by Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren did significantly worse than those who did not. This negative effect, close to five points of margin after controlling for a variety of other factors, was clearly large enough to affect the outcomes of some House contests.
It is possible that the estimated effect of Medicare for All was a byproduct of other differences between supporters and non-supporters. For example, supporters might have taken more liberal positions on a variety of other issues as well as Medicare for All. Even if that is the case, however, these findings are not encouraging to supporters of Medicare for All. They indicate that candidates in competitive races who take positions to the left of the median voter could get punished at the polls. Democratic presidential candidates would do well to take heed of these results, particularly as the eventual nominee determines what he or she wishes to emphasize in the general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)For example, Impeachment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)are the most consistent Democratic voting blocs, but they get the least respect when it comes to policy, in addition to putting up with messaging like Pelosi's in this case.
STFU and vote for us isn't the kind of messaging that strengthens turnout among either black voters or liberals - remember 2016? How about a sincere thank you for decades of consistent support, along with acknowledgement of policy differences, and a unifying message of the necessity of defeating Trump?
There is no upside to the involvement of surrogates to this level in the primaries. Pelosi has enough to do leading Congress in the midst of an impeachment inquiry. Weighing in on the primaries is not going to motivate anyone, given that moderate and liberal voters in the primaries are perfectly able to make up their own minds, and too much left bashing is more likely to depress turnout. The best course is to signal trust in Democratic voters and back off.
Moderate Democrats were defeated in 2016, 2004, and 2000, and even Clinton never got a popular vote majority, even over a mediocre Republican candidate like Bob Dole. What lessons have moderate Democrats learned from these defeats? Obama's biggest victory in 2008 was not made by bashing the left - it was made due to a unifying message that didn't divide Democrats against each other. Moderate surrogates came out big for Clinton in 2008 - did it help her? Did help her in the GE in 2016?
We have to mine deeper to get all of the lessons from election losses and avoid repeating the worst moments in the recent past.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)She's the best!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)say a word once Trump gets 4 more years. Be right and get 4 more years of Trump. Just like Sarandon wanted to say she was right once Trump won in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The fact that this is idiotic does not change the fact that it is true. If we run on replacing people's insurance with Medicare, we lose, even though that would be a good idea. Being right doesn't actually count for much in politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,756 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Affordable college and health care for all are OK.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Link to tweet
Even if a bigger government expansion into health care left doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals jobs intact, it would still cause a restructuring of a sprawling system that employs millions of middle-class Americans.
University of Massachusetts researchers who analyzed the 2017 version of Sanders Medicare for All bill estimated that nationwide more than 800,000 people who work for private health insurance companies and a further 1 million who handle administrative work for health care providers would see their jobs evaporate.
The workers generally earn middle-class wages, according to the November 2018 study forecasting the economic ramifications of Sanders plan. The median annual income of a worker employed in the health insurance industry is nearly $55,000; for office and administrative jobs at health care service sites, its about $35,000, researchers said.
The savings dont come out of the sky, said Pollin. The main way we save money is through administrative simplicity. That means layoffs. Theres just no way around it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Link to tweet
Im not a big fan of Medicare-for-all, Pelosi told Bloomberg TV on Friday. She cited the cost. She noted the comfort level that some people have with their current private insurance. And she cautioned, Remember November. Pushing Medicare-for-all would increase the vote in my own district, the California Democrat said, but thats not what we need to do in order to win the electoral college.
Indeed. For years after passage of the Affordable Care Act, Democrats paid a steep, and unfair, political price for enacting the law. Then the electoral calculus flipped. Health care became a political winner for Democrats, and the Trump administration offered the party a gift with its continuing crusade against the ACA.....
A smart party would seize this opening and go on the offensive against the Republican effort to take popular coverage away from millions. Instead, the Democratic presidential field is immersed in a destructive internecine battle over the wisdom of a massive entitlement expansion. Imagine President Trump hammering Democratic nominee Warren in a general-election campaign. He would accuse her of plotting to take away your private insurance, dangerously hiking federal spending and, citing Warrens primary rivals, ultimately socking the middle class with a tax increase when she cant raise enough otherwise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I trust Nancy Pelosi.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden