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Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:56 AM Nov 2019

A wake-up call for Democrats

Electability is not defined by race or gender. Barack Obama won the presidency. Dozens of women won House seats in swing districts in 2018. This does not mean that all candidates are equally electable. Some are too ideologically extreme; others do not connect emotionally with voters. Simply put, there are good candidates and poor ones, and President Trump is not so unpopular that Democrats have the luxury of nominating a poor one.

[Even a year in advance, that should be a sobering reminder that Warren is a much bigger risk for Democrats (and the survival of our democracy) than is Biden. There may be candidates who could, if they managed to rise to the top of the Democratic polls and win nomination, be as competitive as Biden, but Warren and Sanders fail to attract a chunk of voters that Biden grabs, and by the way they are campaigning, they are unlikely to remedy that deficit.]

[Who supports Biden but not Warren? Nearly three-quarters of such voters say that “they would prefer a Democrat who promises to find common ground with Republicans over one who promises to fight for a bold progressive agenda. Of voters who support Mr. Biden but not Ms. Warren, 52 percent agree with the statement that Ms. Warren is too far to the left for them to feel comfortable supporting her for president, while 26 percent disagree.”]


[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/04/wake-up-call-democrats/|]



see also [link:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/one-year-from-election-trump-trails-biden-but-leads-warren-in-battlegrounds.html|]

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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A wake-up call for Democrats (Original Post) Historic NY Nov 2019 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #1
Respectfully we can't run against voters wishes;we do so at our own peril. We must win this Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #3
I totally agree. Don't you worry, don't you fret: a fair, secure vote is always our best bet. abqtommy Nov 2019 #9
I believe there are a ton of voters who lean Republican but would rather not vote for Trump 2020. honest.abe Nov 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #11
"Go big or go home" is not wise in this scenario. honest.abe Nov 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #19
Maybe I misunderstood your comment. honest.abe Nov 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #21
This is a wakeup call indeed. We must choose the candidate who can beat Trump...and not Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #2
Warren is my candidate - much as Bernie was cilla4progress Nov 2019 #4
Your comments are absolutely on point peggysue2 Nov 2019 #8
Unless Joe badly stumbles or like Bernie has a serious health incident, I believe he will emmaverybo Nov 2019 #16
JOE for the win! flamingdem Nov 2019 #5
I am really warming up to a Biden/Warren ticket. n/t DonaldsRump Nov 2019 #6
Best you read this with an open mind tirebiter Nov 2019 #7
Based on what? OliverQ Nov 2019 #18
VPs Humphrey, Mondale and Gore all lost eom. crazytown Nov 2019 #12
You want a repeat of 1968? tirebiter Nov 2019 #13
I certainly don't want a repeat of 2016. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #15
Anyone who thinks we can find common ground with Republicans is an idiot. OliverQ Nov 2019 #17

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
3. Respectfully we can't run against voters wishes;we do so at our own peril. We must win this
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:04 PM
Nov 2019

election...or risk the Republic. Yes it is that serious. Trump is very dangerous....and I don't give two fucks who runs as long as they can beat Trump. I support Biden because I like (but I like all our candidates) him and believe he can beat Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
9. I totally agree. Don't you worry, don't you fret: a fair, secure vote is always our best bet.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:18 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
10. I believe there are a ton of voters who lean Republican but would rather not vote for Trump 2020.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:26 PM
Nov 2019

But if the Democratic nominee is too far left like Warren they will feel they have no choice. With Biden I believe we get those voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
14. "Go big or go home" is not wise in this scenario.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:31 PM
Nov 2019

If we "go big" we probably die.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
20. Maybe I misunderstood your comment.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:28 PM
Nov 2019

I was thinking you meant go big with big liberal ideas. I think that would be a mistake. We need a more centrist approach to ensure we win. IMHO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
2. This is a wakeup call indeed. We must choose the candidate who can beat Trump...and not
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019

expect to run any candidate and win the general...as some have said. K&R

If I were to vote in a presidential
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cilla4progress

(24,726 posts)
4. Warren is my candidate - much as Bernie was
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:05 PM
Nov 2019

Initially in 2016.

I do feel I am starting to see clearly now that Biden has broader appeal. We could do worse, and we must take back the WH or America is forever lost, I believe.

I do not believe any of our present slate will dismiss out of hand the ideas and input of the others once elected.

I hope he gets good advice on his VP choice. Stacy Abrams presently for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
8. Your comments are absolutely on point
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:05 PM
Nov 2019

This is not an ordinary election. It's all about who can defeat Donald Trump, repudiate him and his enablers who would turn the country into their own corrupt and cruel fiefdom. In order to do that we need the candidate who has the broadest appeal and reach, who can amass the biggest share of votes in the states that count for an electoral college victory.

We cannot let this slip away. Not if we want a future. It's really that critical.

As for Stacey Abrams for VP? I'd be thrilled by that choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
16. Unless Joe badly stumbles or like Bernie has a serious health incident, I believe he will
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Nov 2019

continue to be the candidate with “the broadest appeal” and the best chances to beat Trump.

However, a more moderate candidate would not spell the end for the progressive agenda. It was both events and outside agitation that moved FDR. In our case, the progressive wing will influence the Dem party platform
from the git go, and continue as a power from within and outside no matter the nominee.

I don’t personally endorse the whole agenda, but I recognize the tremendous affect progressive candidates and their movement are having not only on Democrats, but the country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
5. JOE for the win!
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:20 PM
Nov 2019

And win we must

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
6. I am really warming up to a Biden/Warren ticket. n/t
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:03 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
7. Best you read this with an open mind
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:04 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Biden is the only, I mean only, candidate beating Trump, and it’s still too close.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
18. Based on what?
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:26 PM
Nov 2019

Emerson poll has all 3 top candidates beating Trump in Michigan. Sanders wins by more than Biden.

We all thought Hillary would win in 2016 because she was the safe, moderate candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. VPs Humphrey, Mondale and Gore all lost eom.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:37 PM
Nov 2019

Truman ran as a sitting president. Democrats vote for change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
13. You want a repeat of 1968?
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:51 PM
Nov 2019

After losing RFK, McCarthy not winning, and the Dem convention riots, Humphrey was left hanging in the wind. Foolish pride on the antiwar activists part made the war last years longer than it needed to.

There will be no change if Trump wins.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
15. I certainly don't want a repeat of 2016.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:34 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
17. Anyone who thinks we can find common ground with Republicans is an idiot.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:25 PM
Nov 2019

Republicans have proven themselves to be an organized crime syndicate. The entire party belongs in prison.

If that's the best we can do, then I support the end of the United States and we need to just split into 2 or 3 countries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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