Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders accuses Apple of 'throwing pennies at a housing crisis' it 'helped create'
Sanders accuses Apple of 'throwing pennies at a housing crisis' it 'helped create'The presidential candidate released a statement ripping Apple's hypocrisy and saying he would require large companies to pay their fair share in order to make investments that guarantee Americans affordable housing.
"Apple's announcement that it is entering the real estate lending business is an effort to distract from the fact that it has helped create California's housing crisis all while raking in $800 million of taxpayer subsidies, and keeping a quarter trillion dollars of profit offshore, in order to avoid paying billions of dollars in taxes," Sanders said in the release.
The Vermont senator in September released his $2.5 trillion "Housing for All" plan, which he says would provide housing for all U.S. residents funded by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners. Sanders said his plan would address the twin crises of affordability and homelessness" that "have reached a breaking point.
Apple announced earlier Monday it would spend $2.5 billion on affordable housing in California to be part of the solution to the unsustainable direction of housing in the tech organizations home state. The company will work with the state government to provide the funds.
See also: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142390574
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Me.
(35,454 posts)2.5 Billion will actually be spent, which seems like a lot of money to me, as opposed to pie in the sky trillions that will never materialize
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Cha
(296,848 posts)Kinda what I said, Me
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Or does one of us owe the other a coke?
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It took until 2010 to get healthcare reform with passage of the ACA. People love to talk about Bernie's grand plans, but how many people suffered from no health insurance for 16 years?
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)I don't have anything nice to say about BS so..
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TexasTowelie
(111,938 posts)Bernie's anti-corporate stance isn't going to go over very well with people who get their paychecks from corporations.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)thinking? This is $2.5 Billion that is going to be spent on Affordable Housing!
Yes, those whose jobs are with the dreaded Corporations and those who are going to benefit from Affordable Housing! I'm so happy for them!
TexasT
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George II
(67,782 posts)...that he has more than $1M invested in "Wall Street"!!
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)No, seriously... go on... guess!
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,938 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)He stated that Apple is going into the real estate lending business to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars ...He furthermore asserted that Apple has hid 250 billion dollars in profits overseas to avoid paying US taxes - despite having received 800 million dollars in US taxpayer subsidies Sounds and tastes like a ROTTEN APPLE to me
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George II
(67,782 posts)...a housing crisis? Does he have anything to justify that claim? I think not.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)"pennies"?! Who does he think he's kidding?
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts).. isn't he always railing on Billionaires for being too rich or something?
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(29,191 posts)in Silicon Valley. Not super ones, but decent.
Or if you use it as 50% down for the same decent condos... it becomes enough for 10,000 with 30 year mortgages for a couple who each earn around $20 to $25 an hour.
Not bad for a start.
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George II
(67,782 posts)How petty.
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billpolonsky
(270 posts)Just crumbs.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)The serial tax cheats at Apple have hidden a quarter of a trillion dollars in profits overseas . We're supposed to swoon over this cynical publicity stunt ? ..
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Cha
(296,848 posts)are going to benefit from the Affordable Housing in California will Very Much Appreciate.
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oldsoftie
(12,491 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Why doesn't Bernie take credit for it? He could say, see, I introduced my housing plan and everybody said it was radical, but now everybody's following my lead (or something like that). But I guess he decided it was more important to appear to "take on" corporations. No mention of whose ideas these laws are, the ones allowing big business to do what they do.
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sheshe2
(83,654 posts)BS wants to tax the rich bigly to help the working class...not a bad idea. Yet! When they, Amazon, puts the money down and therefore makes the run straight to the end zone and makes a touchdown with 2.5 billion before BS was able to enact his "Housing For All" plan he gets angry. He gets angry they preempted him and now calls 2.5 billion 'throwing pennies at a housing crisis'.
SMDH
Thank you Amazon. California is going to need that now more than ever, she is burning and her residents, many of them homeless.
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lostnfound
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Amazon is doing something similar in Seattle, but smaller scale.
I get your overall point though. Bernie is good at criticizing and putting out high goal plans, not good at the nitty-gritty details of getting things done.
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Lithos
(26,403 posts)Apple is a beneficiary of the environment in the Bay Area - the fact they are at least aware of the issue should be encouraged.
The Bay Area represents a very culturally and intellectually diverse area that resulted from the seeds planted in the 1950's (and arguably earlier). The real issue is that the rest of the country denied this opportunity for themselves meaning that all of these creative engineers moved to the Bay Area (and Boston and Austin, etc.). Ever hear of Haight-Ashbury, Berkeley, etc.? This would easily self-balance once the rest of the US caught up.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)areas. Very progressive area. Changed dramatically on the economic front. Still, this area, values education over money. True, housing is sky high. Many factors involved.
But right, more than ever, this is a a culturally and intellectually diverse part of the nation. Whats needed is exactly thisinvestment to enable teachers, nurses, artists, working class, elderly, immigrants, students, POC to live here. Ongoing drive to make that possible. Bang up
contribution, Apple. Heres hoping more will follow.
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oldsoftie
(12,491 posts)The tired old song on "Western Imperialism"
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)2.5 billion and call it a start rather than demonizing. Then lets get more corporations to do more.
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comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)Shouldn't we be encouraging big corporations to be more socially responsible? Big corporations are not going away, capitalism is not going away and our market economy is not going away no matter what Jacobin and DSA and their ilk want. Let's encourage the big companies to be good citizens, it might pay off.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)Apple is helping California with Affordable Housing by giving $2.5 Billion$ and what does BS do?.. he insults them. That's $2.5 Billion more than they would have if Apple hadn't done so.
I'm betting they're are many people who do appreciate it! I know I do.
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myohmy2
(3,139 posts)...would hammer Apple this way,
"...all while raking in $800 million of taxpayer subsidies, and keeping a quarter trillion dollars of profit offshore, in order to avoid paying billions of dollars in taxes,"
...'more of the same' will not hold these greedy giant corporations or their 1% owners accountable, but Bernie will...
...all the way with HFA...yeah Bernie!
...
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rainy
(6,088 posts)but are now priced out of housing due to increasing rent.
Its the displacement of lower wage earners after the big tech companies move in causing rent to skyrocket that causes the problem.
Google and Apple choose crowded very hip cities to move into which displaces all the local artist, poets, musicians etc that made the city hip to begin with. Now the cities are a mess with huge housing crisis.
So I too agree with Bernie!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:34 AM - Edit history (2)
Steve Jobs was a Bay Area native. He grew up near Cupertino, and founded Apple two and a half miles from his childhood home. Apple has been there since 1976.
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rainy
(6,088 posts)displaced the local flare, musicians, artists etc and average every day laborers who worked and lived and thrived in the city. Its a different city now that those people cant afford to live there.
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)had nothing to do with what happened? I think it is unreasonable to single out Apple, which has been resident in the Bay Area for 40+ years.
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rainy
(6,088 posts)alone, its the tech companies that choose a spot and wreck it for people who have been living and dying there for decades.
Its like when Vail became a huge ski resort. People who had owned homes their for generations had to leave their paid for homes because they couldnt afford the taxes.
Im just saying that the character of a really nice area can be ruined when big corporations take over. Letting the corporations have privileges massive tax breaks and actual subsidies it becomes welfare for big business and cold hard capitalism for the average folks now living in tent cities just to keep their jobs and healthcare. Does that make sense to you?
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)Yes it does. I have a cousin who used to live in Fremont. I have have visiting the Bay Area since 1985 and I hate the gentrification on gentrification that happened. It's a strange feeling. A lot of it looks the same, but no one can afford to live there anymore.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)is there was no regional plan for growth that took into account overall livability. That same problem is happening in Florida as areas in the state grow. Each town or county looks just at itself and the state does a weak to non existent coordinating job of inducing regional planning. If a home is within a 30 minute drive of people that work in a bustling area, those people are going to buy homes in that area, I see that near me, where people with high paying jobs in Gainesville are buying nice homes in north Ocala or in Archer or Waldo, all once slower places near Gainesville, that creates massive traffic congestion.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)When a place becomes a popular tourist or recreation stop, or a magnet for entrepreneurs, or a playground for people that have lots of money, housing prices go through the roof. Part of the fault of that should be placed on governments that hand out tax breaks to those with money without having a plan for making life more manageable for those that don't.
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brooklynite
(94,334 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)job of regional planning with their nearby neighbors on issues like affordable housing, roads and public transportation. What happens as a result is unplanned growth, even as local zoning boards supposedly have a handle on growth.
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brooklynite
(94,334 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The place still had some of the once numerous fruit orchards still around. Nearby town still were farming communities.
I see some of your point, growing companies should have giving back to the communities that they grow in as part of their business plan. But Apple is taking a step that it does not have to, it should be applauded for that.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Apple was literally started in a garage not far from where it is now. That is the reality. I applaud them for what they are trying to do.
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dalton99a
(81,392 posts)which now has a very visible homeless problem
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Neither Apple or Amazon were "big tech" when they started out. In fact, BOTH were started literally in a garage. They grew to where they are today in the locations that they started up in.
Were they blind to the developing housing situation around them as they grew? Yes they were, but so was the numerous US government research labs in the area, Stanford University, troves of companies that started out small in Silicon Valley and are now major corporations.
Apple stepped forward with money that it doesn't have to put out there, that should be acknowledged in a positive way with a nudge for them to do more. But they get hit in the mouth, that isn't going to make other big corporations that may be looking at helping with housing want to stick their heads up.
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oasis
(49,327 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,380 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)but we plan on making them pay their fair share too.
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TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)With multiple sweet homes? Doesnt he rent some out as is his right as a member of the investor class? I think his sweet lakefront pad stays vacant. Its just a little place to get away. Didnt he start rolling in that level of money after running for higher office?
Leave the one percent earners alone!!!
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Cha
(296,848 posts)In California!
It's Great News!! There always has to be someone complaining about it, though
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TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)It has become more and more clear that he doesnt have any real intellectual depth when it comes to his core issue. For many voters, his clear lack of depth is now their core issue with his candidacy.
Sanders needs to stick to his stump speech. He is often a train wreck when he does these things.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)If you listen to or read his ardent supporters, they have the same general bent, "burn it down, then figure things out".
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brooklynite
(94,334 posts)....because that's the key issue here. It's not how much of a profit Apple makes, or how much they pay in taxes, it's about the fact that they pay for talent that 1) wants to live in an urban setting (San Francisco vs Silicon Valley) and 2) can afford to buy SF housing at market rates.
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Hav
(5,969 posts)in order to avoid paying billions of dollars"
I see that point repeated here several times but why should they? It's profit generated worldwide outside the US. They are creative with their taxing there as well btw but it's not money stolen from the US. They just leave it overseas because they'd lose a buttload of money.
Anyways, no need to bash Apple when it's investing. I guess the recipients will welcome the help even if it's supposedly pennies for some.
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Joe941
(2,848 posts)He impressing more each day.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Apple is doing something that it does not have to do. IMO, the correct action would be to complement them and nudge them to do more. Senator Sanders kicked them in the rearend.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden