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hedgetrimmer

(2,206 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:27 PM Nov 2019

My 2 cents

Hi,

We're pushing hard for the past. Clinging to dreams, ideas and feelings that propelled us to be enraptured with the political process. Yet the future that sits before us is entangled in this past. As we hold to past performers and career politicians we are missing the fundamental ground swell this country wants.

This country wants change. It doesn't want career politicians.
If it did it would not have elected either Obama nor Trump.
As we sit here grasping for contenders of an era that has gone by the future gets further ahead and we fall deeper behind.

As a nation we need to embrace tomorrow.
We need to protect our own in policy and transform our understandings to create policy for the ever changing world so that everyone feels safe.

However, it requires us to be brave. It requires us to step into the new. To step into changing the status quo and reflect the populous. The populous will speak and when they do it will be against the status quo.

As a man I know said after voting for Trump, "I know I've got to hold on because it's going to be a hell of a ride but we can't keep doing this." He was a lifetime Democrat.

I'm for Yang. I agree with Yang's assessment that we need to stop talking about Trump. Lets start talking about our candidates and recapture this election cycle.

Be well, hedgetrimmer

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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My 2 cents (Original Post) hedgetrimmer Nov 2019 OP
Eloquently Stated Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #1
Thank you hedgetrimmer Nov 2019 #6
Perhaps, Perhaps Not Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #12
I do agree. We must find someone to run who has the charisma of President Obama.... Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #2
Charisma is part of the package hedgetrimmer Nov 2019 #8
HRC received far more votes than Trump. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #3
She did! hedgetrimmer Nov 2019 #5
I completely agree with you of course redqueen Nov 2019 #4
Its not too hard to see. hedgetrimmer Nov 2019 #10
sorry, but the average voter doesn't have the slightest idea stopdiggin Nov 2019 #7
Don't know what you're sorry for... hedgetrimmer Nov 2019 #9
perhaps we share more than I thought stopdiggin Nov 2019 #11
 

hedgetrimmer

(2,206 posts)
6. Thank you
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:37 PM
Nov 2019

But is that enough?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
12. Perhaps, Perhaps Not
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 06:18 AM
Nov 2019

But, it certainly a good start. I see Yang as being about 3 steps ahead of the entire field in his thinking as based upon his policy proposals. They are the direction in which I believe we should be both discussing and headed, which I why I support his campaign, posted all his policy suggestions here & in the Yang Group and have donated what I can to it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
2. I do agree. We must find someone to run who has the charisma of President Obama....
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:51 PM
Nov 2019

that is not easy. I could be made to believe that he was a once in a lifetime candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hedgetrimmer

(2,206 posts)
8. Charisma is part of the package
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:05 AM
Nov 2019

Obama was a relative outsider whose words were seductive.
Trump was a relative outsider whose words were seductive.
The discontent in this country is giving rise to populist ideology.
That in turn, regardless of the status quo will override all prevailing dissenters. This generally comes to an authoritarian process with revolution or war. We can redirect that energy but currently it seems to be the direction of our country.

We have overwhelming amounts of corporate money buying our politicians and writing our bills that become laws. Our courts are stacked to benefit a small group of people. Discontent is the prevailing winds of this country. We heed it and ride that sail full of wind or we become those embattled in the aftermath of another sail that did take heed. Its not doomsday, but we're heading there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. HRC received far more votes than Trump.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:55 PM
Nov 2019

And "new" is not synonymous with "better".

But I do agree that we must have a long term outlook and long term goals.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hedgetrimmer

(2,206 posts)
5. She did!
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:09 PM
Nov 2019

We've got gerrymandering... Amongst other issues...
None of that ought to have held back victory except for discontent.

New is definitely not synonymous with better.
Regardless of how much advertising thrusts that idea into our psychs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. I completely agree with you of course
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:08 PM
Nov 2019


Half the country doesn't vote. They either actively hate politics / politicians, or they just don't believe anything really helps them with the issues that affect them most immediately.

Yang's candidacy speaks to those groups. His platform is focused on the future. His policies are not just addressing the same problems we've been discussing for years, but also the ones that are only just starting to affect us.

The choice is clear to me. He's our best candidate to beat Trump imo, hands down.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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hedgetrimmer

(2,206 posts)
10. Its not too hard to see.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:17 AM
Nov 2019

The future is ours to win or lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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stopdiggin

(11,301 posts)
7. sorry, but the average voter doesn't have the slightest idea
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:52 PM
Nov 2019

what he wants .. and the average citizen even less. The problem with listening to people that say they want "change" .. is that for half of them will mean voting Trump, and half of them it will mean Warren. So .. the next time you run into somebody that is voting for "change" .. you can be pretty sure they have pudding for brains. We're stuck with em' .. but that doesn't mean we should be paying a lot of attention to what they say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hedgetrimmer

(2,206 posts)
9. Don't know what you're sorry for...
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:15 AM
Nov 2019

Its not that your saying anything different than I did.

I don't think that "pudding for brains" considers warren a change.

And that vast group of people who wanted sanders in 2016 and got bamboozled aren't going to be happy with another routing. Because that will be just more politicking.

The people of this country want change ... And if they are pudding brains I'd prefer for them to vote for a progressive then an authoritarian who's promising change.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

stopdiggin

(11,301 posts)
11. perhaps we share more than I thought
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:42 AM
Nov 2019

but I am NOT a big fan of the "we need somebody to shake things up" crowd. I think that kind of unthinking nonsense went a long way toward getting us where we are right now.

If you have specific actions in mind, fine .. if you're just voting for change .. without any notion at all what that means, other than "not this".... I'm heading for the exits

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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