Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumButtigieg campaign calls Warren's new health care plan a "transparently political attempt
to paper over a very serious policy problem."
Tweet from CNN's Dan Merica, with an image of the statement from Buttigieg communications director Lis Smith:
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I was expecting them to be positive. All this fire and fury on a Friday night :snigger:
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Questioning about how to finance it got too hot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She seemed to be so eager to appeal to the Bernie hardcore that she embraced his "take my plan or else" healthcare reform position. It should have been clear that the Bernie hardcore was not going to leave him and that she needed to target people that could be convinced.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nitram
(22,768 posts)Dude, what's your plan?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DavidDvorkin
(19,469 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,315 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)I'm very happy to see her course correction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,863 posts)that debate where she said about BS' mfa plan.. ".. that's my plan, too.. ".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,863 posts)better you don't stay stuck in rut.. 'cause.. mfa.
Seems Joe Biden is in the right Presidential primary after all.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary!
You go, Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,863 posts)us?!
Biden is first.. he's the leader!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,863 posts)Mahalo for making so much sense in that thread that was trying to coerce others to accept something they did not want.
Unreal.. not a way to advocate for one's position.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Mahalo to you too and congratulations on your soon-to-be Democratic Representative in the House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,863 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That really shocked and disappointed me, I thought her political instincts were better than to let that happen. But I believe that she can execute a ju jitsu move to get out of that corner and back in control of the race. What she needs to do in the debate is say something along the lines "MFA is the longterm best course, but when we analyzed the fine details, we realized that implementing it without a smooth path to it would be disruptive to the economy and a lot of people's lives, and that would weaken the public's resolve to move to a sane longterm healthcare delivery system. I fully plan to have the country in MFA by the end of my first term, but how I will do that is different from how I planned to before my exhaustive study of how best to implement MFA". Then she bats back the attacks from Mayor Pete and turn those back on him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I thought that her political instincts were much better than that. Now she has a "I was for it before I was against it" problem that she needs to solve.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,123 posts)https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/15/20966674/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-plan-public-option
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,123 posts)Biden and Buttigieg are the only two left with a chance who have good healthcare plans that are political winners.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)What she has finally done is put in the sane glidepath to MFA that she should have proposed to begin with. Her current plan is by far the most superior of all that have been proposed so far, she ends up at MFA but eliminates the disruption that would take place by trying to get there from scratch, like Sanders is proposing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dansolo
(5,376 posts)I don't see how this is any better than before. M4A was going to force people into M4A in four years. Her "new" plan basically does the same thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)massive in scale healthcare plan, there is no other way to reduce healthcare costs and get better results. If Buttigieg, Biden and the others that are panning Warren were straightforward about this issue, they would admit to that reality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,123 posts)it is a retreat in the face of reality
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I am really disappointed that she didn't highlight a glide path to MFA at the very beginning instead of embracing Senator Sanders' unworkable position.
The claim that I soundly disagree with is that she has changed the substance of her plan, as was claimed by the person who I responded to initially.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)What she has finally done is wise. I have no idea why she was where she was at to begin with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Announcements like this OP aren't doing him ANY favors with ME.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Yet another gleeful post dissing EW!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)And as I said, a press release going nowhere on Friday afternoon of the day Stone got convicted, and trump tweeted witness intimidation during his impeachment hearing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)post.
The problem is that such posts are almost always posted by the same individual.
I am sorry that I rose to the bait; I had vowed no longer to do so and will try to keep that vow in future.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)He or she will attack any weakness in those they see as a threat to him. I'd be more worried if EW was being ignored
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)near a year. Then she turns and adopts so-called centrist plans as a transition when she gets in political trouble. That is certainly something a whole lot of people are talking about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)tosh
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)fight against economic equality and her support for working families.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)She never had a plan for M4A, until she was forced to. It's barely mentioned in her stump speeches. "the piece de resistance" was and is her wealth tax.
It is a point of weakness. Her competitors have exploited this, as they should.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)defending the wealth tax proposal as a way to pay for the other plans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,013 posts)Hes allowed. Uppity women need to perform perfectly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)I like Pete, but I would like to see more substance about the specifics of the fatal flaws and also details on how other ideas would be better (and why). I dislike the tone of this too. I feel like it's making Warren out to be someone who wants to screw over the American people. I don't feel like that last sentence is accurate either based on what Warren has said. Maybe he plan isn't feasible or there are flaws, but it's well intended. I want to hear specifics when discussing these plans. I want to feel like the candidates all have an understanding of each other's plans/ideas.
I prefer the idea of a public option over MFA (at this time), but I would like my preferred candidate to release statements with actual substance to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)"outrage" like this and also at those who assert that EW does not have the correct political instincts.
She has - very adroitly - -pulled the rung out from under her detractors, leaving some to splutter like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,917 posts)Battleground Tracker poll (showing Warren losing 140 delegates in the last month) and the Des Moines Register poll, Warren pulled the rug out from under her own campaign.
I was sure she'd been hurt by last month's debate, and I didn't think her attempts to make up for that since then, attempts which looked rather desperate, had helped her.
And now Obama has made it clear the party shouldn't go too far left, and Pelosi and HRC have issued similar warnings.
IMO a lot of Warren supporters (and possibly Warren herself) have assumed she could pick up a lot of Sanders supporters from the left wing of the party without being perceived as being too far left herself, despite espousing similar policy ideas.
The political instincts of anyone who believed that are off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)I meant "rug."
Thanks for the correction. My brain, eyes and fingers don't work together as well as they once did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden