BERNIE SAYS IMMIGRATION THREATENS THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET. RESEARCH SHOWS OTHERWISE.

[George II]

The Vermont senator shares the same zero-sum mindset on immigration as his Republican counterparts, including Donald Trump.

JACK HERRERAUPDATED:MAY 8, 2019 ORIGINAL:APR 11, 2019

Since the beginning of April, President Donald Trump has centered on a new message as he attempts to raise alarm about immigration on the country's southern border: "Our country is FULL!" he tweeted on Sunday, repeating claims he made to Border Patrol agents in in Calexico, California, that Friday.

Though Trump's new messaging is likely more of an emotional appeal than a demographic argument, reporters quickly fact-checked the president's claim: the New York Times ran a data-heavy article explaining how, in many parts of the country, shrinking towns and industries actually need more people. (Trump's claim "runs counter to the consensus among demographers and economists. ... They see ample evidence of a country that is not remotely 'full,'" the Times reported.)

The question of whether the country is indeed full aside, Trump's underlying assumption that the country could become "full" is a claim some of his most vociferous opponents on the left seem to also believe. On the same day Trump tweeted, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders explained in an Iowa town hall why he's against open borders: Too many poor people would come to the United States, Sanders explained, and the country could not afford to pay for policies like universal health care or free college.

"If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world," Sanders said. "And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."

LOTS more at the link...

https://psmag.com/news/bernie-says-immigration-threatens-the-social-safety-net-research-shows-otherwise

For the record:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pacific-standard-magazine/

[HerbChestnut]

1. Open borders does not equal immigration.

Trash thread.

[George II]

3. .

[betsuni]

8. That gif reminds me that it's the time of year to watch "Planes, Trains & Automobiles"!

[George II]

9. Bazinga!

[beastie boy]

7. You should read the article before you trash it.

It addresses both immigration and open borders. Specific to Bernie's quote, it argues that the idea of open borders leading to poor people flooding the country and plundering its resources is an unfounded stereotype. Something Sanders appears to be unaware of.

[NurseJackie]

31. That would require...

You should read the article before you trash it.

That would require effort. Who has time for that?

[yaesu]

2. suuuuuuuuure he said that

[TexasTowelie]

10. Would the article from Politico make a difference

because they also have the quote?

The attendee also claimed the Vermont senator is "an advocate for open borders."

“I’m afraid you may be getting your information wrong. That’s not my view,” Sanders said.

"What we need is comprehensive immigration reform,” he continued. "If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it. So that is not my position.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/08/bernie-sanders-open-borders-1261392

[OldRed2450]

13. Bernie has always been to the right on immigration.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9048401/bernie-sanders-open-borders

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. And guns, until very recently. n/t

[George II]

14. There are links embedded in the article that confirm that "suuuuuuuuure he said that"...

[RainCaster]

4. Like others, I have my doubts about Bernie saying this

Has any other site picked this up? What about Snopes?

[George II]

6. Yes:

Link to tweet

[The Valley Below]

17. Is that one of those "deep fake" videos?

[RainCaster]

25. Dang, that gives me a different view of Bernie

[TexasTowelie]

11. Politico also has the quote.

See above.

[OldRed2450]

12. He's always said this.

The Hill.. but the video is Bernie speaking.


"If your point is, open the borders, my god, there's a lot of poverty in this world and you're going to have people from all over."

Link to tweet

?s=20



Here's another one

Link to tweet

[Thekaspervote]

28. His stance is nothing new. Google it and you find a page of references

[Jewls2]

5. From what I understand they pay into system under false name and never get to get the money back out

So really, it is the opposite of imposing.

[Me.]

15. "Too many poor people would come to the United States"

sounds like what we already have in the WH.

[George II]

16. Yes indeed. I think that was the gist of the article, including the subtitle.

[pnwmom]

18. I don't think any of the Democrats support open borders. Bernie's not an outlier on this.

But nobody supports what Trump has done -- denying refugees the chance to make their case for asylum, and drastically slashing the number of legal immigrants.

[Sloumeau]

19. Look, the right is always accusing Democrats of wanting "open borders",

as if Democrats want absolutely no restriction on immigration. That is simply not true. Democrats do not want open borders. They want borders like Obama had them, where our nation follows international law, and where our nation carefully considers applications for Visas and asylum. We want normal immigration. Trump wants to keep as many out as possible, which is why he says stuff like "We're full". They use "the Dems want open borders" to scare people. Of course, Bernie is going to push back on that. I think this thread may be misrepresenting Bernie's position.

[Joe941]

20. He makes so.e good points. Never thought about it.

Bernie knows the issues and I have to agree with him.

[Devil Child]

21. Sen. Sanders is correct. Open borders threatens much more than the social safety net n/t

[bluedovepdx]

22. BS

This is a bulllshit thread. You should be ashamed. You ignore the subject of open borders. As others have said almost nobody is for open borders. Certainly not our candidates for prez.

[micDROP]

24. It doesn't

America has always relied on immigrants. Don't believe this xenophobic rhetoric. I'm surprised Bern said this but, I have heard that he has espoused these views for many years. I don't support him and I really don't now. All of my friends and co-workers are from South of The Border. Truly great people who have enriched this nation.

[Buzz cook]

27. So Bernie is in the mainstream concerning open borders

Have the candidates raise their hand if the support open borders. How many hands do you see?

[William Weehours]

29. "Pacific Standard"

Anything like the Weekly Standard, hmm?

[betsuni]

30. Pacific and Weekly are two different words.

Kill the messenger fail.

[bucolic_frolic]

32. Shelving the open borders issue for a moment

If you see the world that way, in its limited form, or in its entirety, THIS is why we need a foreign policy that confronts oppression, supports our allies, and encourages other countries even those we rarely interact with, to support human rights, economic equality, economic and employment growth. Trump has retreated from ALL of that.