This @JoeBiden take on marijuana took a DeLorean from the 1980s...

[demmiblue]

Link to tweet

[dewsgirl]

1. As soon as he made the statement, he lost a lot of support.

I hope he retracts his statement.

[brewens]

30. He shouldn't have said anything about it if he wasn't going to favor legalization. He wouldn't have

lost very many votes staying silent on that issue. There are bound to be a few single issue weed voters that insist on a legalization candidate, but not many. Anyone with the over my dead body attitude on weed wasn't voting for our side anyway.

[dewsgirl]

32. Exactly.

[CTyankee]

2. God love him but...

hasn't Joe said enough to make people shake their heads and wonder where he's been all these years?

Joe, this isn't helping!

[Andy823]

4. Exactly nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

3. Out. Of. Touch. nt

[area51]

19. Agreed. n/t

[beachbumbob]

5. personal beliefs are not govt policy nor can they be conscrued as such. I have voted many times

for candidates who were personally against abortion BUT they supported the free right of choice for a woman to make for herself.

[melman]

10. Kind of seems like if someone's not for legalization..

...then they don't support people's right to choose here. Don't you think?

[LanternWaste]

38. They are two wholly separate constructs.

[melman]

39. Okay

If someone is not for legalization they are totally for freedom of choice. I guess you really got me there.

[ehrnst]

40. That kind of straw man attack is usually deployed by

the second amendment worshippers who say that any regulation = FACIST CHOKING OF OUR FREEDOMZ!!!

Seeing it used here against other progressives is just priceless...

[melman]

42. lol

How absolutely ridiculous.

[ehrnst]

43. lol

Flailing away at that that straw man certainly was, wasn't it?

[warrior1]

6. out of touch with the majority of Americans who want it legalized.

He was never going to be the nominee anyway. I love though, that orange hitler though me might be and it will get him impeached.

[backscatter712]

7. Ugh. Goddammit Biden.

Shit like this is why we lose elections.

This is why it's important to support candidates in the primary with a clue.

[stonecutter357]

8. marijuana was a gateway for me ...

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[tonedevil]

9. How so? /nt

[stonecutter357]

29. google it / NT .

[tonedevil]

35. The Google query...

"how was marijuana a gateway for stonecutter357" only gets 6 hits, one of them is this posting, and the others don't mention stonecutter357. I don't think the Internet knows why marijuana was a gateway for you.

[demmiblue]

37. OMG!

[cannabis_flower]

18. What's a gateway is...

the fact that once people find out that the government lied about marijuana they are not inclined to believe any other facts about drugs that the government is trying to shove down their throats.

That and the fact that once they start hanging out with drug users they are likely to meet people who take other drugs.

[BeyondGeography]

26. For chocolate chip cookies dunked in milk

I’ll give him that.

[StarfishSaver]

11. Tim Wise

Link to tweet

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. LOL Now that was FUNNY!!

[magicarpet]

12. Is homogenized cow's milk a gateway to alcohol abuse ?

[demmiblue]

13. Yang:

Say my name.

Link to tweet

[beastie boy]

14. Sure, let's squees out as much Biden bashing out of this nonsense as possible!

One more day's worth, perhaps?

Out of touch!... Disqualifying!... His poll numbers steady as a rock!... Wait, how could this be? But...But... he lost a lot of people as soon as he said this, no?

Fact is, Biden's personal views on marijuana, as well as abortion, had been well known for years. Doesn't seem to reflect on his popularity, or his ability to set his personal preferences aside in pursuit of the Democratic agenda. Didn't budge his poll numbers one bit. Perhaps because most Democrats don't consider his position so awfully contemptible, or they don't want to blow the issue out of all proportion, or their outrage is not so easily triggered, or, god forbid, they agree that additional research into the issue is a very reasonable step to take before considering legislation!

[redqueen]

15. Nonsense? This affects a lot of people's lives.

It's too soon for this to affect his polling. Time will tell how much this hurts him. It will hurt him.

[beastie boy]

16. Biden's views affect a lot of people's lives?

And GOP's war on drugs doesn't?

Show me anything in Biden's statements that he intends to keep "three strikes and you re out" on the books. This is what affects people's lives, not Biden.

[redqueen]

21. Cannabis is a schedule 1 controlled substance.

That means people who use it where it's legal to whatever extent still face major problems.

Also the fact that minorities are incarcerated at much higher rates for drug related crimes.

[beastie boy]

24. Biden agrees with you 100%

Quotes from the Biden speech:

"That's why I want to move it from a schedule 1 drug to a schedule 3 drug" (at the 43 second mark)

and

"Anyone who's been convicted, [it] should not be a crime.... they should be immediately released, their record should be immediately expunged" (at the 58 second mark)

[redqueen]

27. Then why is he talking about this laughable outdated 'gateway' nonsense?

That may have been something people resonated with decades ago, but everyone has now realized that tobacco and alcohol are the actual gateway drugs.

[beastie boy]

31. Have no idea. But evidently, this word, no matter how offensive it may be to you

doesn't change his position one bit. And what is more important, get hung up on a single word, or understand what he is talking about?

[redqueen]

33. For us? People who pay attention? Not such a big deal.

In the GE? Different story.

[beastie boy]

34. Do you seriously think there will be more proponens to legalize pot in GE than

in the Democratic primaries?

More users, maybe. But remember, hypocrites vote Republican.

[tonedevil]

20. What you and Biden are ignoring...

there can be no meaningful research while marijuana is a schedule 1 drug. That designation means at a Federal level no one can even have any marijuana to test without nuclear strength waivers. That should have happened when Nixon's commission to find the dangers of marijuana didn't find any major dangers and Nixon disbanded it. If you don't start with marijuana needs to be off schedule 1 and reclassified at a level it can be seriously studied before you say it needs more study you are not serious and your opinion on this matter can be safely disregarded.

[redqueen]

22. I'd go further than saying they're not serious.

They are ignorant. And to be ignorant and dismissive on this issue says a lot.

[beastie boy]

23. You are arguing that the necessary precondition to changing the law is to change the law.

Unfortunately, things don't work this way. And the research is ongoing and consequential nevertheless.

Is the National Institute of Health research meningless?
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuana-effects

Is the Centers of Disease Control research meaningless?
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuana-effects

Is Harvard research meaningless?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/the-effects-of-marijuana-on-your-memory

You will probably find both positive and negative effects of pot described in these studies. Makes legislating pot use all the more difficult.

[Chambi]

17. I like Joe in general terms

But I believe that marijuana legalization would be a net positive for the economy and the population.

[lettucebe]

25. This kills Biden for the younger voters

Absolutely ignorant to say this.

I'll support the nominee but hope it's not Biden

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. Great Scott!

[Gothmog]

41. Here are Joe Biden's actual positions on this issue

Link to tweet