Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAndrew Yang Claims His Friends in Media Wanted to "Kneecap" Bernie Sanders
Won't come as a shock to anyone but it is chilling to hear it confirmed by one of our nominees that it's still going on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,056 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)on pretty much everything.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,056 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kanoko
(35 posts)Bernie has moved up to be my 2nd choice now ahead of Elizabeth Warren. As I take a closer look at Yang, he keeps moving up on my scale.
I'll be looking forward to the Debates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)The only things that I know of his proposals are too far left for me.
I don't think he's wrong about someday needing a universal basic income, but I don't think we're remotely close to that. There are still plenty of avenues for people to earn an income. We just need it to be a much higher minimum wage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I believe as he does that we are in the midst of the AI revolution and we need to get this done as soon as possible. Bernie was my choice in the last go around, but as I have told many a folk in conversations that head into politics he is far too conservative for me. That generally puts an end to the discussion (particularly with the wife's family who voted for the current occupant of the WH) which gets us back to talking about their kids or recipes or restaurants and avoids awkward family gatherings.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)so if I think you're way left who cares. Why do you think we need to start this now? What about getting other basic things right first before getting into basic income? With out education, healthcare, living wages, economic equality I can see basic income just suppressing people even more.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Because AI is very much here, jobs are disappearing for folks on the lower end of the spectrum being replaced by automation such as self checkouts and ordering kiosks. If you take time to look at his website much of what you mentioned is there. As Truman indicated, one needs to start with big ideas as they will always get reduced in the process of implementation. I agree with Yang that UBI is very much a necessary concept to provide a safety net and to grow the economy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)with healthcare, education, minimum wage etc. We can't be timid. We fight for the far goals to get half, then keep fighting till we get there.
I find myself in a strange place. For once I'm the one that is moderate. i'm not going to tell you you're too far left or crazy. I guess I can see your point from here, just don't think we're there yet. Keep fighting the good fight though, you give the rest of us something to think about. I'll check out his site.
Next time I donate to Bernie I'll send some his way too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,056 posts)The AI revolution will drastically change things and we need to be ready.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Really no surprises at all.
The Cable Noise Media is very much about the horse race and bloated drama to fill the airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed. Occasionally they brush up against journalism but it's pretty rare.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)about the efforts to kneecap Bernie, which of course, it's still going on today. Everyone knows it... it's SO obvious.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Also the kneecap comment he makes in the interview was in regards to 2016, not 2018.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)Or was it H.A. Goodman
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)instead of vague innuendo because the only people kneecapping were Goodman and Sirota. So truth is negativity to you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Medicare for All, lowering prescription drug prices or raising taxes dramatically on the wealthiest individuals and closing corporate tax loopholes; directly and adversely affects the corporate media's conglomerates bottom line. A direct conflict of interest with the corporate media conglomerates more concerned about themselves than which polices would be best for the American Nation.
They did the same thing to Al Gore, they trashed him but it was because he was the primary political champion for opening the Internet to the American People, thereby democratizing information and the corporate media conglomerates saw this as a threat not only to their bottom line but a diminishing of their powers to influence the American People to their corporate-centric point of view.
Thanks for the thread Power 2 the People.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Was this kneecapping?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)(snip)
Nov. 13, 2011 Politico: Sanders refused to say whether he would back the president in 2012, but said he hopes "the president never forgets who elected him to the White House. It was not Wall Street, although they contributed. It was not the big money interests. It was working families, lower-income people and the middle class." He also urged Obama to "stop reaching negotiated agreements with Republicans that are extremely weak and disadvantageous to ordinary people. ... I certainly hope and expect to be supporting the president, but its a little bit early in the process."
So its clear that Sanders was suggesting a primary challenge to move Obama to the left, experts said, but not exactly the way OMalley phrased it.
(snip)
As a sitting senator, Sanders' comments at a minimum were provocative: He didn't think it was a bad idea for a candidate to run against Obama in the primary. He spoke positively of such a scenario several times. When Sanders endorsed Obama, Sanders said it was because Obama was preferable to Romney. That doesnt mean Sanders was actively searching for a candidate to actually run against Obama.
We rate OMalleys claim Half True.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/10/martin-omalley/fact-checking-martin-omalleys-claim-bernie-sanders/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,515 posts)Half a pile of st is still a pile of st with some non st added.
Just saying...
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,515 posts)I was a spectator at that particular rodeo (the mud, the smells, the clowns...).
Don't try to tell me red is green or up is down.
And definitely don't try to convince me of my lying eyes and ears. Obama was plenty left at that time as his 2 terms as president confirms.
And sorry... Bernie Sanders (I-VT) had NOTHING to do with Obama's progressiveness.
Have a great night.
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Frustrated by the exclusion of government-financed medical care from the debate to revamp the nations troubled health system, advocates of a single-payer plan are increasingly turning to demonstrations and civil disobedience as a way to get their message across.
During Senate Finance Committee hearings May 5 and 12 on health reform, 13 doctors, nurses, lawyers and activists stood up to complain that no single-payer proponent had been invited to take part and were arrested for disrupting the proceedings.
On Friday in San Francisco, about 200 single-payer proponents held a rally in front of the Federal Building and headed in small groups to Rep. Nancy Pelosis office to urge the speaker of the House, who was in China, to back single-payer legislation and give its supporters a seat at the table of the health reform debate. The public appeals were part of a series of demonstrations being held in more than 50 U.S. cities over the next few days to encourage lawmakers to enact a single-payer plan.
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Several groups, including the California Nurses Association and Physicians for a National Health Program, call for a single-payer option. While not supported by the American Medical Association, a nationalized health system got the backing of 59 percent of physicians in a poll published last year in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
(snip)
https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/health-care-activists-lament-single-payer-snub/
Now I know President Obama wasn't in the Congress but I do believe he could have used great influence in at least getting single payer advocates (actual health workers) a seat at the table for the discussions.
You have a great night as well revmclaren.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)There were never enough votes for single payer under Obama. Never. The President, on election night was cast aside in a private head to head meeting of Repukes led by Mitchie. They vowed to make him a one term President.
As for single payer...some history. Vermont and California tried and failed.To expensive. Taxes would skyrocket. Obama tried, never enough votes. Even BS admitted that in the end.
BS has far more time in office as Mayor, congressman and Senator...oh and Presidential Candidate times two...perhaps
At least in his own state when they were trying to pass single payer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,470 posts)What's the point. I suppose it's the "Democrats didn't talk about universal health care until 2016 and needed to be dragged to the Left" business.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)And every year after.
BS introduced a parallel bill in the Senate 14 years after Conyers first bill. 14 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,470 posts)Less, if we're lucky.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)How many years? The answer is blowing in the wind. *sigh*
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Nearly 500 Accomplishments by President Obama, With
Citations
http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Wall Street. Please stop. Wall Street cannot ie Goldman Sacks can not contribute to a candidate on their own, yet you know that.
Great endorsement. Obama, the DEMOCRAT was better than Romney the REPUBLICAN.
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O'Malley: Sanders wanted Obama primaried in 2012
"I think that when President Obama was running for re-election, I was glad to step up and work very hard for him," the former Maryland governor said to Rachel Maddow at Friday's MSNBC Democratic forum.
"Senator Sanders was trying to find someone to primary him," O'Malley said regarding his rival Bernie Sanders. "I am Democrat. I am a lifelong Democrat."
Sanders was receptive to the idea of finding a primary challenger to Obama in the last election.
"I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the Right is that there is no primary opposition to him," Sanders told radio host Thom Hartmann in 2011.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omalley-sanders-wanted-obama-primaried-in-2012
A Democratic Primary challenger. That is what Sanders called for. Our first African American sitting President seeking a second term and Sanders wanted him challenged.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,470 posts)"He also urged Obama to 'stop reaching negotiated agreements with Republicans that are extremely weak and disadvantageous to ordinary people.'"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,950 posts)Who they will push. Its not anything that wasnt obvious in 2016 and is pretty obvious now as well. Ive been watching them jump between a few candidates to see if one of their preferred one will take off with voters. But its refreshing to hear someone confirm what I witness whenever I turn on cable news or read certain newspaper articles.
Yang hasnt a real chance but I love having these voices. Wishing him well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)and orchestrates a strategy that diminishes and manipulates the will of the people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I missed it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)What has he been smoking? Lol.
I guess if his friend said it it must be true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)What is relevant is that the corporate media puts its thumb on the scale to choose the candidate for us for their own economic purposes. That is the scary part of it all.
Please don't diminish Andrew Yang. He's a very accomplished businessman and entrepreneur. President Obama chose him as a Presidential Ambassador for Global Entrepreneurship and he is very well connected to the highest levels of many professions including media.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(58,772 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)(snip)
Recognition
In 2012, Yang was called a "Champion of Change" by the Obama White House.[15]
In 2015, he was again acknowledged by the Obama White House as a "Presidential Ambassador for Global Entrepreneurship" (PAGE) alongside Daymond John, Brian Chesky, Steve Case, Tory Burch and several more.[32][33]
(snip)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dsc
(52,155 posts)Unless one spent 2015 and 2016 in a coma there is no way one could in good faith claim the media favored Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,470 posts)You are getting sleepy. The emails never happened, the emails never happened, the emails ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)on Facebook, average age 40.5 but they're just kids. some may be grandparents but they're just kids at heart.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,470 posts)I'm not on Facebook, that's social media, have no idea what you're talking about.
According to Harvard's Shorenstein study, during the entire campaign Hillary had a %62 negative coverage rate and %38 positive and Trump was %56 negative and %44 positive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,470 posts)Whatever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,470 posts)What in the world should I look at on YouTube?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perrenial Voter
(173 posts)elected. He got way more media coverage than other Republican candidates, more than twice the media coverage of Hillary, and 10 times the coverage of Bernie (during the primary season). An analysis of the images published of candidates showed Trump portrayed in "victory" stances and smiling most of the time, while Clinton was more frequently portrayed with stern expressions or frowning--subtle but effective.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)I'm really not that worried about this.
Anyway, without some serious proof, I really doubt there is any truth to this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)mention it's totally logical as I spelled out on my post #7.
It's not surprising as Bernie's major policy proposals whether it be
Medicare for All, lowering prescription drug prices or raising taxes dramatically on the wealthiest individuals and closing corporate tax loopholes; directly and adversely affects the corporate media's conglomerates bottom line. A direct conflict of interest with the corporate media conglomerates more concerned about themselves than which polices would be best for the American Nation.
They did the same thing to Al Gore, they trashed him but it was because he was the primary political champion for opening the Internet to the American People, thereby democratizing information and the corporate media conglomerates saw this as a threat not only to their bottom line but a diminishing of their powers to influence the American People to their corporate-centric point of view.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I have a friend that said it isn't true, and they know a media person that said that what was said was not truly said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)brand of cell phone. Like "my girfriend's sister's ex-boyfriend said his I-Phone gave him cancer". Truly the cell phone forums are way nastier than the political forums. Later I found better sources of info on phones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,155 posts)and it wasn't promote Hillary's presidential campaign. I don't care if Yang thinks Jesus told him this, it is still demonstrably wrong. The press dogged Hillary constantly and let both Trump and to a lesser extent Bernie get by with things they never would have let her get by with. We lived it. We saw it. It happened. Stop gaslighting us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,772 posts)Or are they as mythical as every Republicans black friends?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Seems like my instincts about AY were correct. Will leave it at that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
going with your gut?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,515 posts)This story.. brought to you by Mike Figueredo, a long time supporter of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) host of the Humanist Report under the umbrella of...
Wait for it...
TYT
Cant find any other sources on the web in regards to this story.
I'm not surprised.
But I welcome any other links to this unsubstantiated story.
But something associated with TYT...
HELL NO!
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
Addition: The following link is to TYT Wikipedia page. The listing for The Humanist Report is towards the bottom under TYT Network.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks
snip
The Humanist Report A progressive political YouTube channel and podcast hosted by political scientist Mike Figueredo that began in 2015
snip
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Snap!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I like the guy but he is a Luddite who cant get off the ground. Guess circumsision didnt do it. The media backed Clinton? WTF. Sad. He should be better than this. I have friends who say he is an ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)2 candidates were filling stadiums; one had his rallies covered ad nauseum, the other was ignored. Laughably, pathetically, the corporate media viewed the latter as dangerous to the status quo and the former as a good way to get eyeballs on the screen.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Talking Tom
(60 posts)Obviously.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)giving bernie any scrutiny at all. I remember them showing his rallies
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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