Every time Biden says he started as a 29 year old "kid,"

[pnwmom]

he reminds us how old he is.

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. I thought it was one of the weaker closing statements.

Warren rambled a bit too much, Bernie was Bernie. Yang, Booker, Harris, Pete, Amy all had quite excellent closing statements.

Interesting debate.

Tulsi stood out by being just horrendous and not at belonging up there.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I thought he was pretty good.

I agree that Warren rambled a bit. Bernie yelled, like always. Harris and Booker were very good, Buttigieg and Klobuchar were excellent. Gabbard was dreadful.

[PatSeg]

7. I'm so tired of yelling

Being louder, doesn't make you more effective. I like a lot of things that Bernie says, but I can't take any more angry yelling.

[Hekate]

2. Kind of warmed my heart, but I'm not running for POTUS

[napi21]

4. I'm still a JOE supporter. I also thought HIS closing was the best! I don't care about his age.

I lived through the young Kennedy administration WHO DIED much sooner than ever expected. You can never tell what the future holds. Your decision on a candidate MUST be made on more important thing. Policies, past voting record, etc.

[Demsrule86]

9. I liked his closing statement too. Kamala did well too and I loved her outfit. she looked lovely.

The blouse was stunning. I didn't like the pot stuff but hey it is a primary.

[Thekaspervote]

29. Me too..really good closing statement

[Demsrule86]

82. I would never guess you were old enough to have lived through the Kennedy administration...how

fascinating...I know about it only through history books.

[Cha]

5. It's his birthday.. he's 77 today.. so what?

This isn't about age for me.. it's about who's the best for the job and who's going to beat trump.. and get us out of this mess.

[BannonsLiver]

8. +1000

It’s always amazing to me to see folks hone in on superficial bullshit given the times and what we’re up against. But true to form in this case.

[Thekaspervote]

30. Agree! Voters are still looking for Obama... he was a once in a lifetime

Joe Biden is an experienced statesman with the chops to get us out of this mess.

[pnwmom]

10. Do you think his age is part of his appeal? I don't think it's something

he should be emphasizing. But he does that every time he refers to 29 year old adults as kids.

[BannonsLiver]

80. Like I said, true to form

[Demsrule86]

6. So...everyone knows his age...Sanders is older. He was 29. I like Biden...I thought he had a great

debate tonight and his close which will be remembered was wonderful and drew applause.

[Doodley]

11. I wouldn't care if Biden was 100. As long as he can defeat the damage Trump is doing and bring a

progressive agenda.

[pnwmom]

12. Fine, you don't care. Don't we want higher turnout among 18-30 year olds

who don't appreciate being patronized?

[awesomerwb1]

21. If trump doesn't motivate 18-30 year olds(or any age for that matter) to vote

they deserve another 4 years of shit.

[pnwmom]

22. Maybe they do, but I don't. I assume you don''t either.

So I hope whoever our candidate is will be good at motivating young people to vote.

[awesomerwb1]

31. If trump is not motivation enough...lol

And no, I have not deserved the shit of trump being president but it's the byproduct of plenty of idiots cutting their noses to spite their faces protest voting or not voting because their candidate didn't win.

Sounds like just older candidate bashing to me.

[pnwmom]

33. I'm not bashing older people in general, but the job of the President is extremely demanding.

Much more demanding than the job of a Supreme Court Justice, for example.

And I'm old enough to remember Reagan, the oldest President we'd had up till then at age 69. Reagan was almost a decade younger than a couple of our candidates, and everybody got to watch him sink into Alzheimers (from age 65, the risk doubles every 5 years). But his handlers loved it. He must have been easy to manipulate. Of course, they denied he had Alzheimers for the whole 8 years. Then, a year after his 2nd term ended, they announced that he had a very fast acting form of Alzheimers. Yeah, right.

[treestar]

42. Turns out it's not

It’s what you make of it. Dotard isn’t doing shit. Biden would at least fill the positions where the real work is done

[pnwmom]

45. Yes -- I should have said, it's a very challenging position if you want to do a good job. n/t

[tblue37]

55. Some old people are older than others of the same age. At 69, I could never keep up physically

with Warren, Biden, or Sanders, and Hillary could run rings around me, too.

My mind is still sharp, but my body has pretty much quit on me.

[Doodley]

56. So, are you saying candidates should be young only? Old is too risky?

[pnwmom]

57. I think the 80's is a less than optimal age for being President. nt

[Demsrule86]

52. They rarely turn out in good numbers so I don't care. I want to beat Trump period.

And the only candidate really turning out those numbers is Sanders... I doubt he could beat Trump.

[treestar]

83. I would be glad to be thought of as a "kid"

at 29. Don't most people dread turning 30? If only they knew then that someday they'd be 60. But how does it patronize them? Nobody is that sensitive.

[Renew Deal]

13. How long has it been snce he's had a real job?

[Hekate]

14. Well that was nasty. Since Obama left office and his son died?

What do you think?

[Renew Deal]

15. How is that possibly nasty?

Seriously, when was the last time that he received wages not paid by the US govt?

[Cha]

16. That is a "REAL JOB".. they're working for us.. at least the Dems are.

What kind of question is that anyway?

[Renew Deal]

17. lol, no way

And it certainly isn’t merit based. Getting elected Senator from Delaware as a D is a job for life. Besides, how much does a senator get paid compared to average wages? Senator salaries put them into the upper class. No real financial worries.

[Cha]

18. That's your opinion... all you're doing is trying to

bash Joe Biden with this whining about his dedication to service.

[Renew Deal]

19. Is that's what it's called now?

Dedication to service? Fine. I appreciate it, but he doesn’t know what a real job is and is long past remembering how regular people live.

[Thekaspervote]

32. Since you feel he doesn't connect with real people, how to you explain the demographics that

Support him? AA, unions, middle class are his base

[Renew Deal]

60. Name recognition

And dropping poll numbers

[LanternWaste]

48. A creative allegation, lacking any evidence to support it.

In other words, simply another bumper sticker (and I get it... a lot of people are unable or unwilling to think past simple bumper stickers and t-shirt slogans).

[treestar]

89. So that applies to most of them doesn't it?

Did they ever know how regular people live? They all had childhoods, but were extraordinary, successful people by the time they got out there in the world.

[still_one]

23. Yup, and the number of treads popping up tonight making disparaging references toward Biden

are an indication to me that those posters aren't very happy that Biden is holding his own, that they have to resort to these type of tactics, thinking that will change the dynamics.

It is a variation of the same nonesense they have been doing since Biden entered the race.

We'll see how that works out for them after Super Tuesday, and what excuses they will use if it doesn't go the way they want.

[Cha]

25. Ridiculous OP, too..

Nothing better to do than gripe about how old he reminds her he is?

[still_one]

28. Absolutely, along with other threads out there making "name calling" reference toward Biden. It is

sad that some feel the need to resort to this crap

[Thekaspervote]

34. Indeed! I suggested to one poster that they say something + about their candidate, that

Negative bashing doesn’t change anyone’s minds or votes.

Their jaw dropping response: “negative bashing worked against Hillary.”

Blind!!

[still_one]

35. Blind is an apt description. Thanks

[Thekaspervote]

38. True... actually... they're doing it eyes wide open

[still_one]

40. +++

[pnwmom]

24. According to Pew Research Senators $174K salaries put them into the upper-middle category in 2014.

And housing costs in the DC area are more expensive than in many parts of the country.

They have ample incomes but their Senate salaries alone don't make them rich. Many of them have educational and professional qualifications that would allow them to earn even more in the private sector.


https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/family-finance/articles/where-do-i-fall-in-the-american-economic-class-system

[treestar]

43. Being elected senator

Is more unique than being hired. What Senator doesn’t stay until they are kicked out? As for Delaware, Bill Roth was. Due to age too

[Renew Deal]

61. I agree that it is more unique

And generally a position of respect. It doesn't change the fact that he hasn't had to work like a regular person since he was 29.

[treestar]

86. A regular person doesn't face job loss

every 6 years and have to campaign to keep the job! At high cost too! Good grief.

[Renew Deal]

91. You're right

Regular people are terrified of job losses every single day, for a fraction of the wages.

[treestar]

93. But not automatically

No new interview/vetting every so often.

[highplainsdem]

51. You obviously don't know that Biden won his first Senate race running against an incumbent GOP

senator who was so likely to win re-election that no other Democrat besides Biden was willing to run against him. And Biden beat him despite having virtually no money for his campaign and relying on family members to act as campaign staff. He won by getting out and meeting voters. The Republican Biden defeated had been a two-term US senator who'd previously served two terms as governor of Delaware.

[Hekate]

20. So all elected officials & presumably civil servants as well do not have "real jobs"?

We call them public servants. They are not paid hugely. Biden was rare in that for such a long-serving Senator he lived in his salary and left Washington as a not-wealthy man. It was his book deal after he left the Vice Presidency that gave him a nice nest egg, and his wife got a new house. I certainly do not begrudge them that. His reputation for honesty is well-deserved.

As for civil servants, who also are paid via taxes, I have known many and I have been one myself. Every one I've known has worked damn hard. As a general rule they believe in the mission and they believe that what they do benefits the public.

What's a "real job" to you? Is your work "real"? When does it become "unreal"?

[Cha]

26. Mahalo, Hekate.. that's one

of the most bizarre posts I've seen today.

Here we are on a political discussion board and someone is griping public servants isn't a "real job". So what are we all doing here, anyway? Discussing people who don't have real jobs?

Sure many people abuse it.. but not everybody.. those are the ones we're here for.

[Renew Deal]

63. Link to where someone said that...

I'll wait

[treestar]

44. Thank you

That slam was just dumb. I’ve had a real job. Guess I’m more qualified than Biden.

[Renew Deal]

62. Being an elected official is not a real jobs

That is a fact. And the higher you go, the less real it is. People serving at the municipal levels are usually considered "part time" and are expected to hold other jobs. Biden is a multi-millionaire that made over $4 Million last year. There is nothing "real" about that.

I made no comment about civil servants. As you stated, that was a presumption.

But the question still stands. When was the last time Biden made money in a job collecting wages from someone other than the US Gov't?

[treestar]

84. Really! I wonder if it includes Yovanovitch or Hill or Vindman

Or do you have to be elected to be "not working a real job."

[912gdm]

27. we got that kind of question in 2016

and ended up with Trump.

and before that Bush.



NEXT.

[Renew Deal]

65. Maybe you should habe answered it

[tirebiter]

36. He started as a Public Defender

Too booshwa?

[Renew Deal]

41. In what year?

[TidalWave46]

47. Receiving wages from the US govt means you don't have a real job?

[Renew Deal]

66. No

When was the last time Biden had a job where he didn't receive wages from the US gov't? Strange that no one is willing to answer that.

[TidalWave46]

76. It's the question and your clear statements that are the problem.

Not the respondents.

[Loki Liesmith]

54. So federal employees aren't really working. Got it.

Got it. Some Democrat.

[Renew Deal]

67. Who said that?

Quote?

[treestar]

88. "how long since he's had a real job" doesn't meet that criteria?

It implies they are not working.

Having a non-elected job is not necessarily going to make a person more qualified. That would give Ben Carson points.

[Demsrule86]

81. That is something Republicans generally say about government work.

I have not heard it here before.

[Demsrule86]

53. So nasty...being VP isn't a job?

[Renew Deal]

69. Not a real job.

You live in the mansion, for free. You have no set hours. You get to travel the world for free. And your driver takes you wherever you need. Nothing real about it.

[Demsrule86]

77. Well that is your opinion. Not much to say...other than I disagree have a nice day.

[treestar]

87. But you are one heartbeat away

from what I hear is the most stressful job ever. Get to travel the world for free? They aren't going as tourists. They have high-level meetings. Everything you say is scrutinized. The reason you have the driver and security detail is the possibility you could be assassinated!

[TidalWave46]

39. Looking at him doesn't do that for you.

I get that he looks like a young buck standing next to Sanders but he really can’t hide his age. He is trying to use it as an asset. Why not.

[highplainsdem]

46. It's more a reminder that we don't let 29 year olds run for president, that candidates for president

should have both maturity and experience.

[LanternWaste]

49. I'm reminded of the age of every candidate each time they're on camera

And I find that experience (in addition to many other factors, as well) comforting in that many of our wonderfully qualified candidates aren't into the Tide Pod challenge.

[R B Garr]

50. Pelosi is also in her 70's. Thank Gawd we have her experience at the helm now.

A rookie couldn't possibly do what she is doing. I think of Biden's experience in the same way.

[Cha]

58. Nancy Pelosi is 2 1/2 years older

than Biden.. nobody would dare talk about how old she is.. and rightly so.

I appreciate both of them for their years of experience and service. I don't think of their ages like some people are dwelling on.

Thank you, RB!

[R B Garr]

64. Yes, they both have valuable experience and service,

something a lot of voters are looking for now. Agreed about their ages, Cha.

[NurseJackie]

75. I still chuckle and SMH and roll-my-eyes at all those...

I still chuckle and SMH and roll-my-eyes at all those who were saying that "Pelosi is too-old" and wanting her to "move the fuck off the plate" and hand over control to someone younger.

My god we owe her such a debt of gratitude... and SO MANY owe her apologies for all the rotten, vulgar, ageist and sexist things they've said about her.

[Demsrule86]

79. So true. Thank God we have Pelosi...she is the best speaker ever. I have long held her up as role

model for my three daughters. She is simply the best.

[The Valley Below]

59. Biden could put all this youth and inexperience nonsense aside by picking as his VP...

Senator Dianne Feinstein.

That'll shut 'em up.

[Cha]

68. lol.. I thought you

were going to say "Senator Harris".

[The Valley Below]

70. With the great senior Senator Dianne Feinstein at his side...

Joe Biden could make a play for the youth vote.

She'd be great, actually. Hmm.

[Cha]

72. I like the way you're

thinking on this..

[Celerity]

71. If Sen. Harris won NOW, in 2020, she will be the oldest first time Democratic POTUS since Truman

Before Truman, the next Dem older-than-Harris new first time POTUS elected was James Buchanan, the POTUS right before Lincoln. The only other one in history older when first elected was the very first Democratic POTUS ever, Andrew Jackson, elected in 1828.

[treestar]

90. lol!

That one is still going strong, too!

[totodeinhere]

73. What, should he try to hide his age? Everybody already knows his age and doesn't need

any reminders.

[pnwmom]

74. Why should he highlight it? It's not a selling point. nt

[Demsrule86]

78. After reading multiple posts, I would go so far as to say you hate Joe Biden...so why do you care?

And I happen to think experience matters...and age discrimination is wrong...even if I wasn't supporting Biden, I would think this...I have never mentioned Warren's age (above 70) or Sander's age (older than Joe) because I don't care. Biden is running on experience...and as he is the front runner, it seems to be working.

[pnwmom]

92. I care because I recognize he'll probably be the nominee and I don't think he's doing himself

or the country any favor by saying things that will discourage young people from voting for him.

Calling 29 year old adults "kids" isn't a good idea.

[Demsrule86]

95. Fair enough. I was curious.

[treestar]

85. Not everyone sees it as a negative

Some 18-29 may not.

[beastie boy]

94. Wait til you are 76. You will be surrounded by 29 year old kids