Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWho won the last Democratic debate? Our panelists' verdict
The latest Democratic debate saw a fair number of clashes and several memorable one-liners but no clear winner emergedhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/21/who-won-the-last-democratic-debate-our-panelists-verdict
One panelist:
By this metric, Senators Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren emerged from the pack. [Emphasis mine] The first hour was Klobuchars best thus far, relying more on responses that showcased her witty, affable side that tends to resonate with voters more than detailed technocratic responses. This was in sharp contrast to the sharp-elbowed responses from Biden and Buttigieg whose supporters Klobuchar needs who were fending off attacks most of the night. Meanwhile, nearly all of Warrens responses addressed racial disparities, a tack surely meant to appeal to black voters with whom shes underperforming but desperately needs in order to have a shot at the nomination. ...
Another's view is that Biden seems to have regained his footing in the polls, but for how long?
Another feels that Warren was "absent," largely because she wasn't a focal point for attacks, and that Sanders seemed to have done well overall.
The fourth believes that Harris and Booker could see new life infused into their campaigns. He finishes as follows:
Will Senator Amy Klobuchars condescension toward Mayor Pete Buttigieg about his lack of electoral prowess and legislative experience springboard her to the top of the moderate lane? Will voters unacquainted with Buttigieg be impressed by his fierce attack on Representative Tulsi Gabbard for meeting with Syrias murderous dictator Bashar al-Assad? Did Senator Cory Booker manage to stave off elimination from future debates on the strength of his unmatched eloquence and half-joking supposition that former vice president Joe Biden might have been high (as well as ignorant of the realities of minority communities) when he opposed decriminalizing marijuana? And will Biden see his hitherto solid minority support evaporate for ignoring the black woman a few feet away from him Senator Kamala Harris when he gaffe-ishly claimed that he had been endorsed by the only African-American woman senator?
Post-debate poll results await. I suspect that the debate infused new life into the campaigns of Booker and Harris and did little harm to the rest other than Gabbard, although billionaire Tom Steyer and the whimsical Andrew Yang barely registered. It indirectly emphasized how the two potential latecomers to the race, former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick, are at a severe disadvantage for having missed the debates so far. But the debate, coming after a long day of relentless Republican stonewalling in the House impeachment inquiry, also highlighted the difficulty that a victorious Democratic presidential candidate would have in passing even modestly ambitious policy proposals or in restoring a deeply divided nation to any semblance of unity....
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,843 posts)It overshadowed most of what she said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Unclephil
(92 posts)really prove nothing. The only one that was consequential was Nixon Kennedy. The rest people hear what they want to hear. Hilary beat Trump but in the long run it hardly affected the race if it did at all. I find them tedious.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)For one, my guess is it had very low viewership. I work with party operatives and they didn't even watch it. Two- the race is between 3 candidates. Period. These debates rarely change minds or votes. Do you think a Biden supporter is going to switch to Booker this morning? My guess is most voters didn't even know there was a debate. Biden will win the nomination because he has the support of the demographics that make up our diverse part and to be fair and with all due respect, Amy Klubocher would lose to Trump in a GE and it wouldn't be close. Just my opinion..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)I'm being brutally honest here, but nobody cares what Steyer, Gabbard, Yang, Booker have to say at this point. If they did, they'd be higher in the polls. A big reason why people aren't tuning in is because there are just too many candidates.
The DNC needs to jack the requirements for the next debates WAY up. Like, 8 percent in at least 3 polls. There are less than 3 months until the Iowa caucus, it's time to get the 3-4 candidates with a serious shot on the stage together and only them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LudwigPastorius
(9,092 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I have said this numerous times, these PR fests are NOT debates. I'm not sure most of America could follow a true debate on policy issues since the majority of America cannot read and comprehend complex material.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)NOT debates in the true sense and - even more sadly - that the last part of your post is more true than not.
But, in large part, the general consensus of the article is also that nothing really changed the playing field.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)long lived.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,240 posts)That the great majority of Americans are ignorant, lack critical thinking skills and are too lazy to learn about the issues. They (we?) sit around waiting to be be spoon fed knowledge by the talking heads on MSM.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)What I meant, and I think you know this, is that we have an electorate, many of them "freepers" who have difficulty reading anything with any level of difficulty.
I ask that you not accuse me of this again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,240 posts)If I had posted that Matt Damon and other Hollywood stars said the same thing as you did, would that mean I'm saying you are a Hollywood star?
Youir comment:
"What I meant, and I think you know this, is that we have an electorate, many of them "freepers" who have difficulty reading anything with any level of difficulty. "
And I said that Freepers also say the same about the electorate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
And as both are (at best) unsupported allegations doing little more than illustrating our own biases, we can safely dismiss them as bumper stickers merely pretending to be a valid point.
(the important thing though, is to pretend none of this rises to the level of criticizing a Dem candidate's supporters if we vowed not to engage in that petulance, otherwise we may be perceived as little more than self-righteous hypocrites)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,240 posts)I can't help it if some take offense to the fact that Freepers believe the majority of Americans are ignorant of the issues and lack critical thinking skills. It wouldn't take me long to come up with a number of quotes made by them over at FR saying such things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)years in the rear view mirror, it will be remembered...historic and presidential.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingLife
(46 posts)A good quick watch.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden