Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThe Atlantic has published a MUST-READ article by a stutterer on Biden's experience as a stutterer
Gothmog has already published an OP here about it
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287355064
but I'm posting a separate OP about it because he used the Atlantic's headline
What Joe Biden Cant Bring Himself to Say
and IMO that really doesn't do the importance of the article justice. Not by a long shot.
If you want to understand WHY Biden so often appears to stumble over his words, this article is a must-read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/joe-biden-stutter-profile/602401/
If you want to understand HOW MUCH HE WAS BULLIED for the stuttering, this article is a must-read. He was bullied for stuttering even by a nun teaching a seventh-grade class, and he was still being mocked and bullied for the stuttering even in high school:
I ask him to expand on the relationship between anger and humiliation, or shame.
Shame is a big piece of it, he says, then segues into a story about meeting a stutterer while campaigning.
I bring it back up a little later, this time more directly: When have you felt shame?
Not for a long, long, long time. But especially when I was in grade school and high school. Because thats the time when everything is, you know, its rough. They talk about mean girls? Theres mean boys, too.
Bill Bowden had the locker next to Bidens at Archmere. I called Bowden recently. It was just kind of a funny thing, you know? he told me. Hopefully he wasnt hurt by it. Bob Markel, another high-school buddy of Bidens, went a little further when we spoke: H-H-H-H-Hey, J-J-J-J-J-Joe B-B-B-B-Bidenthats how hed be addressed. Markel said the Archmere guys called him Stutterhead, or Hey, Stut ! for short. He fears that he himself may have made fun of Biden once or twice. I never remember him being offended. He probably was, Markel said. I think one of his coping mechanisms was to not show it. Bowden and Markel have remained friends with Biden to this day.
This is an extremely long article. The journalist who wrote it talks about his own stutter. He comments at length on Biden stuttering and compensating for the stutter during debates. He goes into detail about discussions with speech experts about Biden's stuttering.
He gets Biden to open up about his stuttering, even though he's usually very reluctant to.
The article is particularly important for what it tells us about how other stutterers react to how the media treat Biden:
Biden has presented the same life story for decades. Hes that familiar faceUncle Joe. He was born 11 months after Pearl Harbor and grew up in the last era of definitive good guys and bad guys. Hes the dependable guy, the tenacious guy, the aviators-and-crossed-arms guy. That guy doesnt stutter; that guy used to stutter.
My dad taught me the value of constancy, effort, and work, and he taught me about shouldering burdens with grace, Biden writes in the first chapter of his 2007 memoir, Promises to Keep. He used to quote Benjamin Disraeli: Never complain. Never explain.
This article explains a LOT.
And anyone who is even remotely interested in Biden -- and anyone willing to be FAIR to Biden -- should read ALL of it.
It's that important.
_______
Editing to add that I've posted some journalists' tweets about this article in replies below.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)I wanted to make sure everyone here was aware the article is a must-read. I hope your OP gets even more recs and replies, and I wanted to give it a boost if I could.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to highplainsdem (Original post)
raging moderate This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to highplainsdem (Original post)
raging moderate This message was self-deleted by its author.
raging moderate
(4,296 posts)As a retired speech/language pathologist, I can vouch for the truth of this article. Stuttering is a complex problem, with ramifications which most people don't understand.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)I had read he used to stutter and I've wondered whether his so-called "gaffes," which usually involve using the wrong word or missing a word, were actually stutters. I hope more people read this. If you want to bust him on policy positions you disagree with, fine; but any suggestion that these verbal stumbles are evidence that he's not intelligent or that he's getting senile is disgraceful. Basically, it's making fun of or picking on a person's disability. That's a Trump trick.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,026 posts)Fighter.. never gives up!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,026 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Anyone who can overcome any...any disability as Joe has is stronger and better for it!!
Go Joe go!!! Weve got your back
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,026 posts)Bookmark!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OldRed2450
(710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,026 posts)thoughtful!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,026 posts)article on Joe Biden, hpd!
Very Interesting..!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(9,076 posts)almost destroyed me and although I don't stutter now, it has affected my entire life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,826 posts)Thought it was excellent and poignant considering how Joe Biden has dealt with these misfired vocalizations over a lifetime, compensated and made thousands of public appearances with a certain ease and grace. Despite the criticism and ridicule.
So yes, a very good read. About a man who has been tested for a very long time but is still able to flash that Irish grin more times than not.
Go get 'em, Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Very transparent and extremely cynical.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)Biden haters on Twitter who didn't want to hear amything about Biden's stutter, especially in an article pointing out how hard it is to overcome a stutter.
Any background that might lead to understanding and maybe even sympathy infuriates the haters.
But I was hoping not to see comments like that here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)This was a moving article about people - not just Biden - who struggled with a disability that caused them to grow up suffering mockery and humiliation, because kids can be mean. But adults should know better. DUers who claim to be compassionate liberals especially should know better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
You are very cynical.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Very transparent and extremely cynical" as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)I knew one of you would show up to crap on this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,826 posts)Because people need to read this and then think twice about ridiculing Joe Biden for his mental acuity or age or whatever. I suggest recalling your own childhood and teenage years when the slightest flaw was magnified and shouted out, the subsequent humiliation on the backend of those taunts.
Then remember Joe Biden's grace and humor, that big Irish grin. Mr. Magoo? Stockdale? Really?
Shame on those who feel compelled to resort to high school cruelty. Joe Biden is by far the better man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,873 posts)Its a shame that people have so little confidence in the candidate that they support, that they have to fall back to name calling. It is a sign of the times for sure
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,826 posts)I've read some pretty obnoxious remarks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,908 posts)Did it make him not remember that Harris is also a black female Senator and that she was on stage with him?
His stuttering comes nowhere near an explanation for the problems people have with him. That said, glad he has found ways to deal with this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Big Blue Marble
(5,056 posts)It explains how these gaffes are the result of his neurological issues that cause the stuttering. It is a lifelong
challenge that he has worked to manage and is inspirational to many who have stuttered and have been
shamed for it. I am sure you would not fat shame. We now know that being fat is far more complex than
it appears on the surface. It is time to stop stutter shame as well. And to take the time to understand
the complexities of stuttering as well. This article is a good place to start.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Which fascinates me and other lifelong Delawareans who have known Joe Biden for decades before he became very well known nationally, since it literally never came up before.
I spent three hours a week in a room with just 10 other people and him lecturing for a semester, and as a former speech therapy patient I can say that you could have certainly fooled me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Big Blue Marble
(5,056 posts)because you hadnt noticed it? Do you think this is a made up story?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I am puzzled at how it has never come up before. Joe used to talk a lot faster than he does now, and in successive campaigns for senate and countless commencement speeches and other public events in Delaware, this has never come up. I am certainly surprised to have missed it.
Delaware has a very small population. We have more Senators than Representatives (of which we have one). I realize that for people who grew up and live in other states, it is an unusual occasion to come across a Senator. That is very different from here where, if you wanted to see a senator, all you had to do is show up at the train station every morning (as I also did for years).
It is a surprising thing never to have attracted significant attention before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)He talked in the past about the first black female Senator, so Harris had nothing to do with it and was trying to get attention. Why should he be thinking about Harris first and foremost at all times?
I don't know what you refer to about coming out of the black community, probably another twisted interpretation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,908 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,311 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)Link to tweet
This is 1) a super insightful story and 2) a perfect testament to the necessity of having people with a range of backgrounds *and* abilities in newsrooms https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/joe-biden-stutter-profile/602401/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,956 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,873 posts)The debate stage is not the best format for a stutterer.. but he does not back down, and keeps on going.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bucky
(53,984 posts)He's made a difference in this country so many different ways.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)I was teased as a kid for my lisp.
At 46 years of age - I still will screw up words in a SENTENCE if I'm trying to focus on my 'sss' my 'zzz' . . .
Do you know - I still say number 6 as opposed to sixth? Do you know humiliating that is for a well educated person who has had years of speech therapy?
The word mix ups make sense.
Anyone who doesn't have time to read this or empathy? Watch the Kings Speech.
Biden will be just fine if he wins.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)I still struggle when put on the spot, when I'm nervous or talking fast. That includes wrong grammar/sentence structure or unusual ways to express things, often more literal than the conventional way.
In that regard, I get phrases that just come out wrong and that didn't go through a filter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)people are so impatient nowadays but he got out there and talked about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Link to tweet
Now that the 77-year-old former vice president is running for president, many people understandably are asking whether his notorious gaffes, bloopers and stumbles are related to his age.....
Should more voters know about Bidens stuttering challenges? He certainly shouldnt try to run away from it, says another stutterer, Michael Sheehan, a Washington-based communications coach who has been helping Biden prepare for debates. Passing along some campaign advice from MSNBC host Chris Matthews, who was sharing a quote favored by Robert F. Kennedy, Sheehan told me, Always hang a lantern on a problem.
I agree. Im sure many readers reacted to The Atlantic revelations as Ramesh Ponnuru, senior editor at the conservative National Review, did on his magazines website: I had no idea, but it helps explain some of his verbal tics.
Indeed it does. But, politics aside, what should really matter to voters isnt Bidens speech problems but how well he rises above them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden