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Bloomberg: Trying to legalize marijuana "is perhaps the stupidest thing we've ever done". (Original Post) crazytown Nov 2019 OP
Not that I liked him before, but he has 100 percent lost me now. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #1
That's another strike against him BigMin28 Nov 2019 #2
Trying to get your head around how Bloomberg wins the nomination BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #3
No, Mike. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #4
He's blowing it already, not in touch with the Dem electorate. brush Nov 2019 #5
Imagine how much good he could do getting our nominee elected with all that money. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #59
I'm with you. His ad buy has eliminated him from my consideration. LAS14 Nov 2019 #104
Vote Blue No Matter Who Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #105
Its like he is trying to lose randr Nov 2019 #6
He is a conservative and has no business running as democrat mysteryowl Nov 2019 #7
He wants to kill the wealth tax. crazytown Nov 2019 #8
Indeed. He has greed and power pathology mysteryowl Nov 2019 #9
Bloomberg dreams of stopping and frisking us for marijuana arrests and private prison sentences n/t Devil Child Nov 2019 #10
I am no fan of Pot legalization. Blue_true Nov 2019 #11
In my world BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #22
Both impair people when used in excess. People using either should face the same penalties for Blue_true Nov 2019 #102
Legalization in CA has been a disaster in my estimation. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #12
Fewer California teens use marijuana even as legalization kicks in crazytown Nov 2019 #13
Do you have a link for any of these statements? yardwork Nov 2019 #15
Cool story. Iggo Nov 2019 #16
Some people have watched "Reefer Madness" too many times The Mouth Nov 2019 #19
You are deeply misinformed. Instead of insulting people you should educate yourself to the reality. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #21
Prohibitionists are almost beneath insulting The Mouth Nov 2019 #39
Which of pour candidates would you accuse of being like the The Valley Below Nov 2019 #43
I'm not surprised The Mouth Nov 2019 #49
BAM! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #108
Really? SoCalNative Nov 2019 #53
The illegal criminal trade dwarf the legal trade here in CA. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #55
And again SoCalNative Nov 2019 #56
Not like this. Not on this scale. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #58
And maybe if you provided SoCalNative Nov 2019 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #64
You keep coming back with the same old canards. Got any data to back them up? progressoid Nov 2019 #91
Educating oneself would require supporting a premise with objective data. You've failed to do that. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #95
Either that, or they just missed the weasel words.. Iggo Nov 2019 #46
Proof please! Nt USALiberal Nov 2019 #20
Well there's the Just Say No Nancy Reagan POV BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #23
Have you look at the impact "legalization" has had on teens in CA. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #24
A few things BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #30
Easy. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #34
So a bunch of uninformed, anecdotal bullshit then. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #35
Living in the real world is now considered "anecdotal." LOL. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #37
LOL BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #38
I live in reality, friend. When local educators tell us there is an urgent and unprecedented problem The Valley Below Nov 2019 #50
All evidence to the contrary. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #51
Check the dates, pal. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #52
For starters, I'm not your friend or your pal BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #60
You got the dates wrong. LOL. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #62
Parent harder. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #65
Learn to read. LOL. You got the dates wrong. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #68
"Why do you think they call it dope" BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #73
"Join the un-hooked generation!" Iggo Nov 2019 #106
Even cooler story. Iggo Nov 2019 #47
Surely you can provide the documented evidence for this claim Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #103
Maybe you would like to provide some evidence for these statements? jcgoldie Nov 2019 #25
It's fear mongering from people unwilling to change with the times. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #31
Now now... jcgoldie Nov 2019 #33
Ha! BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #36
No. Those who have there fingers in their ears and ignore the obvious harms... The Valley Below Nov 2019 #54
Irony is dead. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #67
Denying reality is never a good idea. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #69
Yeah, hopefully you'll figure that out at some point. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #71
I already have. You are kidding yourself. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #72
"Won't someone think of the children." BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #74
Everything about your legalization scenario in CA stevil Nov 2019 #45
Not to this scale. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #70
Backed up by...? Iggo Nov 2019 #107
what are your thoughts on alcohol? BigMin28 Nov 2019 #63
Has upsides and downsides. Needs to be well-regulated to keep it out of the hands of minors... The Valley Below Nov 2019 #66
If kids are getting it BigMin28 Nov 2019 #75
Correct. They are NOT getting it from regulated dispensaries. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #77
My point was teens BigMin28 Nov 2019 #85
Yeah and beyond that BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #87
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #92
Not on this scale. And not with the current vape technology. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #89
And you need to provide some "real" supporting evidence of your claims. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #96
What are the "upsides" to alcohol in your eyes? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #76
It can be pleasant when used in moderation by responsible adults. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #78
How many California teens die from THC overdoses vs. alcohol poisoning each year? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #79
None. As THC is not as toxic as alchohol. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #80
"None. As THC is not as toxic as alchohol." BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #83
Not a bit. Just because you can't OD on THC doesn't mean it doesn't cause serous harms. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #86
It's a problem. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #88
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #90
Who is "we"? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #93
"Herb" can also be used medicinally BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #81
And I begrudge no one who sees a medical benefit from having some. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #82
Because adolescent use is YOUR problem. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #99
California's black market is because local governments have prohibited it IronLionZion Nov 2019 #98
This is a racist position. Joe941 Nov 2019 #14
Yep. Stop and frisk who, motherfuckers? Iggo Nov 2019 #17
All of this talk about his electability bluedye33139 Nov 2019 #18
Stupid, disqualifying statement. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #27
What makes this guy a Democrat, again? dchill Nov 2019 #28
Not going to get my primary vote in California Bloomberg kimbutgar Nov 2019 #29
I think Bloomberg would make an excellent addition to the primary process ... malchickiwick Nov 2019 #32
Anyone against legalization should have an (R) next to their name The Mouth Nov 2019 #41
Well that's a real stupid position to take, but so be it! lettucebe Nov 2019 #40
Nothing makes a substance more attractive to kids than to make it illegal... Rollo Nov 2019 #42
Not a great way to garner supporters PuraVidaDreamin Nov 2019 #44
Unlike Trump who is only chosen by god, Bloomberg thinks Prosper Nov 2019 #48
Well, pot being illegal before hasn't stopped anything, and if anything, the drug trade... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #57
Pot,... bad..... magicarpet Nov 2019 #84
Also misogynist and against a higher minimum wage. nt redqueen Nov 2019 #94
72,000 ODed on drugs - how many died from alcohol or nicotine? rurallib Nov 2019 #97
I could give a rat's his or anyone else's position on pot ( except for the medical uses of cannabis) apcalc Nov 2019 #100
This is what he considers an issue? dawg day Nov 2019 #101
 

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
1. Not that I liked him before, but he has 100 percent lost me now.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:54 PM
Nov 2019
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BigMin28

(1,174 posts)
2. That's another strike against him
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:54 PM
Nov 2019

As far as I am concerned.

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BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
3. Trying to get your head around how Bloomberg wins the nomination
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:58 PM
Nov 2019

is perhaps the stupidest thing any of us could do.

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Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
4. No, Mike.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:01 PM
Nov 2019

The STUPIDEST thing we could ever do is elect another old, white, elitist, racist, out-of-touch, billionaire CEO to the WH.

Take your vanity and over-blown ego back to NY and leave the rest of us alone.

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brush

(53,743 posts)
5. He's blowing it already, not in touch with the Dem electorate.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:47 PM
Nov 2019

Money won't get him past these two blunders.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
59. Imagine how much good he could do getting our nominee elected with all that money.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:16 PM
Nov 2019

He has a history of being VERY generous with good causes, Global Warming, guns, etc.

So Mike, give the DNC like a billion dollars, OK!

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LAS14

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104. I'm with you. His ad buy has eliminated him from my consideration.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:27 PM
Nov 2019

We don't want a nominee who bought himself a place on the stage. I think I'd include Steyer here too, although I do like his positions.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
105. Vote Blue No Matter Who
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:59 PM
Nov 2019

Vote BLUE no MATTER who!

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randr

(12,409 posts)
6. Its like he is trying to lose
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:52 PM
Nov 2019

Or he has his parties mixed up.

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mysteryowl

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7. He is a conservative and has no business running as democrat
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:57 PM
Nov 2019
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
8. He wants to kill the wealth tax.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM
Nov 2019

as does Deval Patrick and Bain Capital.

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mysteryowl

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9. Indeed. He has greed and power pathology
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:03 AM
Nov 2019

and cannot stand by and watch our democratic candidates that want to tax him appropriately.

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Devil Child

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10. Bloomberg dreams of stopping and frisking us for marijuana arrests and private prison sentences n/t
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:07 AM
Nov 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. I am no fan of Pot legalization.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:24 AM
Nov 2019

But I think that legalization is one issue where a lot of true conservatives agree with most progressives, legalize it.

I believe that it should be reduced to a fine for use in public, not nothing for use behind closed doors. There should be a fine for driving while toking. In my world, the penalties would mirror those for alcohol (legal, but not legal to use everywhere, sell to or give to minors).

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
22. In my world
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:12 AM
Nov 2019

The fine would be for drinking or possessing the alcohol rather than the weed. We have it exactly wrong in our culture.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
102. Both impair people when used in excess. People using either should face the same penalties for
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 06:57 PM
Nov 2019

irresponsible use.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
12. Legalization in CA has been a disaster in my estimation.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:53 AM
Nov 2019

Regulations have completely broken down. The black market dwarfs the legal industry. Tax revenues are below projections as criminal enterprises have largely taken over the trade.

And the worst thing is that teen use is skyrocketing. Criminals rarely have any compunctions about selling to kids.

Illegal delivery services will bring it right to a teen's door.

The schools are seeing academic failure and mental and emotional health issues due to heavy pot consumption at rates they have never seen before.

We are doing to pay very deadly as a society for promoting a drug as if it doesn't cause serious harm to the brains, well-being, and life prospects of young people.

We are making a huge mistake. We need to find a way to de-criminalize pot w/o sacrificing a generation to the drug abuse of marijuana, a drug that causes young minds very serious harm.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
13. Fewer California teens use marijuana even as legalization kicks in
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:03 AM
Nov 2019
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/08/22/survey-fewer-california-teens-use-marijuana-even-as-legalization-kicks-in/

The schools are seeing academic failure and mental and emotional health issues due to heavy pot consumption at rates they have never seen before.

Link?
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yardwork

(61,539 posts)
15. Do you have a link for any of these statements?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 09:20 AM
Nov 2019
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The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
19. Some people have watched "Reefer Madness" too many times
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:27 AM
Nov 2019

And either don't have a clue, or care, about the costs to people of having legal actions on their record.

Anyone against legalization for adults is a jackboot licking, prison loving right-winger who is no democrat.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
21. You are deeply misinformed. Instead of insulting people you should educate yourself to the reality.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:52 AM
Nov 2019

Legalization in CA has opened the floodgates to teen use. That is having real harm.

You are way behind the curve.

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The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
39. Prohibitionists are almost beneath insulting
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:30 PM
Nov 2019

just as are racists, sexists, and homophobes. Not that merely being anti cannabis consumption is quite as bad as any of those other backward, slack jawed and cognitively impaired opinions, but it's of a somewhat fash kind.

Keep your damned laws, piss poor psychoanalysis, and paranoid drug warrior fascism off out of my laws, body and community. Spare me the red herring 'what about the children (e.g. incompetent parenting) bullshit.

We've felt the hobnails of your type on our neck for decades, never again.

There is not the slightest bit of evidence that marijuana use is detrimental to adults. As for kids, like cigarettes and booze, only a knuckle dragging jackboot wearing a-hole would regulate what ADULTS can consume on the basis that some children might get also get hold of such substances. If they do, blame the parents, just as with cigs and booze and prescription drugs.

Anyone against legalization is in the wrong political party and is even in the fascist fringe of the Republicans.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
43. Which of pour candidates would you accuse of being like the
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:04 PM
Nov 2019

"fascist fringe of the Republicans?"

Because I'm not seeing it. At. All.

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The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
49. I'm not surprised
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:40 PM
Nov 2019

Seeing anything must be hard when licking jackboots.

Maybe look at the title of this thread?

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SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
53. Really?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:02 PM
Nov 2019

because it is still illegal for anyone under 21 to purchase. If teens want it they will get it. Same with alcohol and cigarettes. Always have, always will. But to say that legalization has caused this is the chicken little scenario.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
55. The illegal criminal trade dwarf the legal trade here in CA.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:08 PM
Nov 2019

Illegal delivery services often supply minors.

Most places have very small numbers of criminal enterprises selling alcohol to minors. But with cannabis, illegal sales far exceed legal sales.

There were never criminal-commercial sales on this scale previously. Now a few clicks and a teenager can have product on the doorset.

Some folks are denying reality.

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SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
56. And again
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:10 PM
Nov 2019

they would find a way to get it one way or another.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
58. Not like this. Not on this scale.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:14 PM
Nov 2019

If we pretend we don't have a problem, we are making a huge mistake.

We need to find a balance that de-criminalizes or legalizes cannabis w/o making it so easily available to minors.

The CA legalization is a disaster. The schools are seeing the damage first hand.

There is some serious reality-denialism going on.

Shame.

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SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
61. And maybe if you provided
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:21 PM
Nov 2019

any links to verifiable sources for this information. Otherwise you're just making stuff up to serve your agenda.

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progressoid

(49,952 posts)
91. You keep coming back with the same old canards. Got any data to back them up?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:39 PM
Nov 2019
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
95. Educating oneself would require supporting a premise with objective data. You've failed to do that.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:57 PM
Nov 2019

I'm not a big fan of of the abject denial-of-use of the scientific method.

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Iggo

(47,536 posts)
46. Either that, or they just missed the weasel words..
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:16 PM
Nov 2019

Like where they were talking about marijuana then switched to "drug" overdoses, like more than zero of those drug overdoses were marijuana overdoses.

"I say there's a problem, and here's a statistic about a different problem that proves my point, ya dummies."

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
23. Well there's the Just Say No Nancy Reagan POV
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:13 AM
Nov 2019

The 80s are calling and they want the rhetoric back.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
24. Have you look at the impact "legalization" has had on teens in CA.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:27 AM
Nov 2019

It is a lawless wild-west show out here where ant teen with a cell phone can get THC vape products delivered to his or her door with a few clicks.

It is causing havoc in the school and damaging lives.

That's neither Nancy Reagan or Reefer Madness.

We have screwed up here by not in any way protecting the kids.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
30. A few things
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:48 AM
Nov 2019

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1. Support your assertions on cannabis laying waste to California and ruining schools etc.

2. Even if you could support that argument, which you can’t, I have some news for you that you may not be quite aware of: California is not the center of the universe. Colorado and other states have been doing just fine with legalization. Try looking beyond CA once in a while.

3. drink your wine and spirits and leave the rest of us alone. It’s clear you have a very dated, very fearful view on this subject that’s probably best left unsaid at this point. The Prohibitionists have lost this war. Good.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
34. Easy.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
Nov 2019

1. I have a student in high school here in CA and the school is in crisis. Teachers and Admins (all progressive and caring people) are throwing up red-flags. Never have they seen such rampant drug used during school hours--thanks to vape pens--and it us taking a terrible toll on academic performance and on mental/emotional health.

2. If Colorado is doing better, we'd all be well advised to find out what they did right, because CA has screwed the pooch. The "industry" here is dominated by criminal enterprises, which operate outside the law. Any teen can get THC products, and they do.

3. LOL. The insults are completely misplaced. You are the one who has a dated and misinformed view. You are NOT dealing with reality. I'm NOT a "prohibitionist," I just know any de-criminalization/legalization scheme needs to limit access to teens--as marijuana has profoundly bad effects on adolescent minds.

We will have a lot to answer for if we screw this up. Marijuana is hardly a benign drug when used in adolescence and those who lies to our children are complicit in causing grave harm.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
35. So a bunch of uninformed, anecdotal bullshit then.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:11 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)

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The Valley Below

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37. Living in the real world is now considered "anecdotal." LOL.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:19 PM
Nov 2019

I'd suggest you get off the internet some time and see what's really happening. You are way behind the curve.

And if you think I'm a "drinker," you're only compounding your wrong-headedness.

I could care less if you consume THC. We need de-criminalization/legalization schemes that work to limit access to teens. We have a total failure here. Night and day differences since "legalization."

Even the legal dispensaries are up in arms about the lack of enforcement as the criminal enterprises are eating their lunch.

You're wrong, and aggressively so. Not a good combo.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
38. LOL
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:28 PM
Nov 2019

“Living in the real world...”

Is that what spewing anecdotal bullshit is called now?


Oh lordy, no wonder you guys lost the war.


Recreational marijuana legalization tied to decline in teens using pot, study says

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/08/health/recreational-marijuana-laws-teens-study/index.html


https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2019-02-14/teen-pot-use-fell-in-states-that-legalized-medical-marijuana-study

Fewer California Teens are Using Marijuana, Study Shows
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalmarijuanainc.com/news/california-teens-marijuana/amp/

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
50. I live in reality, friend. When local educators tell us there is an urgent and unprecedented problem
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:56 PM
Nov 2019

in the schools, I listen.

The study you are citing was taken BEFORE legalization, when drug use was on the wane. LOL.

It has skyrocket since.

Do you read the articles you link to?

The only losers here are the ypung people who lives and minds are being undermined.

Shame.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
51. All evidence to the contrary.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:58 PM
Nov 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
60. For starters, I'm not your friend or your pal
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:17 PM
Nov 2019

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Or your child, for that matter.

You’ve been presented with evidence and data contradicting your fear based, completely irrational (and lame) Reefer Madness POV on this subject. Yet, Your entire point is 100 percent emotion and anecdotal evidence.


“Cuz the children!1!1”

But Here’s a thought, if you’re so worried about your kid getting on the devil lettuce why not just parent a little harder...preferably out of my way, sight and earshot at movie theaters, restaurants and on airplanes.


Tah Tah

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
62. You got the dates wrong. LOL.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:22 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe you should read the links you provide?

Instead of acknowledging that YOU BLEW IT, you double down with insults.

Why do you think they call it dope?

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
65. Parent harder.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:25 PM
Nov 2019

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
68. Learn to read. LOL. You got the dates wrong.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:28 PM
Nov 2019

You are way behind the times.

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BannonsLiver

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73. "Why do you think they call it dope"
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:34 PM
Nov 2019


“Okay, dad.”
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Iggo

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106. "Join the un-hooked generation!"
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:21 PM
Nov 2019
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Voltaire2

(12,965 posts)
103. Surely you can provide the documented evidence for this claim
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:18 PM
Nov 2019

as you have made it repeatedly.

I'll wait.

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jcgoldie

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25. Maybe you would like to provide some evidence for these statements?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:33 AM
Nov 2019

I do not live in California, but most of these unsubstantiated claims do not seem to correspond with anything I have read. The bit about "academic failure and mental and emotional health issues" is straight up fear mongering given the very short window in which marijuana has been legal there.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
31. It's fear mongering from people unwilling to change with the times.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:53 AM
Nov 2019

Probably still calls it “dope”

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jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
33. Now now...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
Nov 2019

I have 5 plants in the basement and still call it "dope"!

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
54. No. Those who have there fingers in their ears and ignore the obvious harms...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:04 PM
Nov 2019

being caused are unwilling to change with the times.

You are out of touch and engaging in "denialism."

That's a shame. Since you are dead wrong.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
69. Denying reality is never a good idea.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:29 PM
Nov 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
71. Yeah, hopefully you'll figure that out at some point.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:32 PM
Nov 2019
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
72. I already have. You are kidding yourself.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:33 PM
Nov 2019

Illegal pot sales dwarf the "legal" industry here.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
74. "Won't someone think of the children."
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:36 PM
Nov 2019
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stevil

(1,537 posts)
45. Everything about your legalization scenario in CA
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:09 PM
Nov 2019

Was going on before legalization. Would you support putting farmers, shippers and distributers in jail like the good old days? Fines to smoke the kind? I disagree with your estimation. I live in CA too.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
70. Not to this scale.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:32 PM
Nov 2019

It isn't so. When we had medical marijuana legal adults who wanted it had no problems. A doctor's script was a formality from any pot doctor.

Since "legalization" the regulated market has been dwarfed by criminal enterprises. That's the truth.

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BigMin28

(1,174 posts)
63. what are your thoughts on alcohol?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:22 PM
Nov 2019

what about its effect on society?

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
66. Has upsides and downsides. Needs to be well-regulated to keep it out of the hands of minors...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:27 PM
Nov 2019

as much as possible.

I don't know of any apps that allow a 30 min home delivery of alcohol to a minor by a criminal enterprise. That's not the case with cannabis here in CA.

That's the point. We should do better. We've got a serious problem. Burying heads in the sand--or attacking the messengers--will not fix the crisis (and it is a crisis) of THC products by teens here in CA since "legalization."

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BigMin28

(1,174 posts)
75. If kids are getting it
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:45 PM
Nov 2019

It's not from regulated dispensaries. And I have news for you, kids can get weed or any other drug at school or anywhere in less than 5 minutes. To think legalization caused that is absurd. I went to high school in the 70's. If you wanted drugs of any kind, they were available at school if you had the cash. In minutes. Prohibiting adults from using marijuana won't keep it from the kids.

Perhaps the parents should keep a closer eye on their children, and be cognizant of the cash they throw their way. If the kids don't have the cash, believe me, the won't be buying weed.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
77. Correct. They are NOT getting it from regulated dispensaries.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:57 PM
Nov 2019

Here are the facts: illegal dispensaries and illegal delivery operations have come to dwarf legal enterprises since "legalization."

We have three things that has caused a "perfect storm" that is very different from the past.

1) Illegal vendors can be accessed through apps like Weedmaps that link to criminal enterprises. Teens can get home delivery.

2) Vape has changed the game. Now many high schoolers are vaping between classes. This is having catastrophic consequences. Vape is very stealthy vs smoking.

3) Legalization proponents have been feeding the "big lie" that marijuana consumption is either benign or even a positive. It's not. But teens are getting the wrong message, especially given the destructive properties of marijuana on adolescent brains. We are seeing academic failure and dimming life prospects as a direct result.

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BigMin28

(1,174 posts)
85. My point was teens
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:23 PM
Nov 2019

Have always been able to get it. They don't need delivery services. No one networks like teenagers. Criminalizing it again won't stop them I doubt very much they are having it delivered to their house under their parents nose. But yet I do not believe children, teenagers should use it. Adults should be able to.

If they are ordering weed on a tech platform, they either have a credit card, or debit card to do so. I have a 17 year old. I know what money he has and where it goes. If he came home high, I would know immediately.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
87. Yeah and beyond that
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:30 PM
Nov 2019

Alcohol and prescription meds can be found in almost every American home these days. They may not “shave off IQ points” whatever that’s supposed to mean, but they can and will kill you if used incorrectly. I’d take the loss of IQ points in the scenario if I’m a parent (even though the pot kills brain cells thing has been debunked).

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
89. Not on this scale. And not with the current vape technology.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:35 PM
Nov 2019

And there all sort of way to buy things these day--from Apple Pay, to Pay Pal, to good-old-fashioned cash.

The reality is that here in CA the Weedmaps app lists illegal dispensaries and delivery services. Teens know which ones provide to minors.

There has long been marijuana use by teens. The condition today--with teens vaping between classes on the scale happening now--is unprecedented.

Dedicated educators are throwing up red-flags. They have never seen any like it. And it is damaging lives.

We need to be real here.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
96. And you need to provide some "real" supporting evidence of your claims.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:04 PM
Nov 2019

Beyond the local PTA gossip. Still waiting for something, anything, beyond that.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
76. What are the "upsides" to alcohol in your eyes?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:49 PM
Nov 2019
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
78. It can be pleasant when used in moderation by responsible adults.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:00 PM
Nov 2019

Same with herb.

To ignore the devastation that can be caused by alcohol abuse is as nonsensical as ignoring the harm of adolescents vaping THC.

That's nuts.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
79. How many California teens die from THC overdoses vs. alcohol poisoning each year?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:03 PM
Nov 2019

How many suffer brain damage from THC overdoses relative to alcohol?

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
80. None. As THC is not as toxic as alchohol.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:09 PM
Nov 2019

That doesn't mean that THC use can't shave 6 points off an adolescent's IQ, cause an interference with learning, amplify mental and emotional health issues, or set up a teen for greatly diminished life prospects.

The nature of these two drugs are different. But both can cause serious harm.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
83. "None. As THC is not as toxic as alchohol."
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Nov 2019

Annnnnd that’s why the fear mongering Prohibitionists ultimately lost the war.

Womp Womp


It’s up to you to make sure your child does not fall into the evil elicit trap of the devil’s lettuce, not mine, or your neighbors. YOURS. I’d also mention that there is no drug easier for a teen to obtain than alcohol and prescription medication. Both are in virtually every home in America.

I don’t support teenagers under the age of 18 using marijuana products but at the same time I’m not about to just say “Welp the systems broken throw it all out” because some may in fact use marijuana before they are of legal age.

Finally, 67 percent of Americans favor legalization according to the latest polling data which is from THIS MONTH. So you’re views are at odds with most Americans including I would guess a healthy number of GOP voters.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
86. Not a bit. Just because you can't OD on THC doesn't mean it doesn't cause serous harms.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:29 PM
Nov 2019

You won't even acknowledge that marijuana use by adolescents is a problem That's denialism of the worst kind.

Impaired short-term memory. Altered brain development. Poor academic outcomes. Lowered judgement. Lowered IQ. Increased mental illness. Emotional health problems. Lowered life prospects.

Just a few of the real problems. None of which will you acknowledge.

Shame.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
88. It's a problem.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:34 PM
Nov 2019

It was a problem in the 70s. It was a problem in the 80s. It was a problem in the 90s. It was a problem in the oughts.

The difference is I’m not acting like I just figured out that teens in America — gasp — have been using marijuana for a very long time, like you are.

Also I’m pretty sure in my previous post I mentioned that I was opposed to teenagers using marijuana products before they were of legal age. What about that is confusing to you?

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
93. Who is "we"?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:50 PM
Nov 2019

Most Americans agree with me.

You know what’s great? Seeing how you guys lost the war. With arguments like that.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
81. "Herb" can also be used medicinally
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:10 PM
Nov 2019

You’re probably opposed to that I’m sure but alcohol beyond an in a pinch antiseptic has no real medicinal value. Ever hear of Charlotte’s Web? I doubt it.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
82. And I begrudge no one who sees a medical benefit from having some.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:14 PM
Nov 2019

That doesn't change the downsides of THC use on adolescent brains.

You seem unwilling to acknowledge that. Why?

E.W. White's Charlotte's Web?

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
99. Because adolescent use is YOUR problem.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:41 PM
Nov 2019
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IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
98. California's black market is because local governments have prohibited it
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Nov 2019

and restricted licensing for legal dispensaries. I did some googling and the liberal bay area is much more successful with this than the more conservative areas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-s-cannabis-black-market-has-eclipsed-its-legal-one-n1053856

So legalization is not the cause of the problems you described.

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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
14. This is a racist position.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 08:56 AM
Nov 2019
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Iggo

(47,536 posts)
17. Yep. Stop and frisk who, motherfuckers?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 09:31 AM
Nov 2019

EDIT: And wait, didn't he just apologize for this bullshit policy like day before yesterday?

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bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
18. All of this talk about his electability
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:23 AM
Nov 2019

and how he is the only person who can unite the country...

I really don't want a Democratic candidate who basically has Nixon's views on cannabis.

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tblue37

(65,227 posts)
26. Stupid, disqualifying statement. nt
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:34 AM
Nov 2019
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dchill

(38,451 posts)
28. What makes this guy a Democrat, again?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:38 AM
Nov 2019
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kimbutgar

(21,060 posts)
29. Not going to get my primary vote in California Bloomberg
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

As if we need another out of touch billionaire in the White House!

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malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
32. I think Bloomberg would make an excellent addition to the primary process ...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:53 AM
Nov 2019

... In the REPUBLICAN party!!

How is this guy even allowed to have a "D" next to his name??

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The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
41. Anyone against legalization should have an (R) next to their name
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:58 PM
Nov 2019

Some of us have fought long and hard for legalization, damned if I'm going to support, or do anything other than curse and ridicule, any slack jawed, inbred, fascist son of a bitch who even murmurs about re-criminalizing cannabis.

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lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
40. Well that's a real stupid position to take, but so be it!
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:46 PM
Nov 2019

Who are these dinosaurs? Cannabis is medicine and they still want to cling to the BS? Sure, lots of folks in their 80s will agree, but that's not enough to win the election.

Going on record as saying the young vote is critical. Pretending cannabis is the evil weed is not going to win many young voters and why climb on that side of the fence anyway? I seriously don't get it. -- oh, wait, I forgot. He's all for rounding up brown folk and pot gets that job done nicely. Yup, always a reason.

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Rollo

(2,559 posts)
42. Nothing makes a substance more attractive to kids than to make it illegal...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:00 PM
Nov 2019

Especially when they find out it's no big deal in terms of effects...

I have a good friend who grew up in India. We were motorcycling buddies. He is Sikh.

I noticed that while he seemed to enjoy alcohol, he shunned pot. I asked why. He said in India, alcohol is illegal. But pot is legal. He said that pot smokers in India tended to be the lowest classes. So he turned his nose up at it.

I'm not saying the reverse is true here, as well have skid-row drunks and pot-head homeless people. But I think most would agree that while alcohol can kill, it seems impossible to get stoned enough to perish. Granted they are two very difference substances, and abuse of either should be discouraged. But laws making pot illegal are ineffective and counter-productive.

Me? I'm a cheap drunk. Often at night at home I can't even finish one beer. A half-glass of wine with dinner generally does it for me. There's a fine line between the soothing and calming effects of a small amount of alcohol (it is classed as a depressant), and the deleterious effects (slower reaction times, loss of inhibitions, impaired judgement, falling down drunk). I avoid crossing that line. Perhaps having an alcoholic parent served as a life-long warning. I've seen up close how it can destroy a person.

I haven't smoked pot for decades. I had my fling with it in my youth and finally decided the negative side effects outweighed the novelty of its high. But I suspect that if it had been legal all along, my use of it would have been much less, for less time, if at all.

Your mileage may vary.

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PuraVidaDreamin

(4,099 posts)
44. Not a great way to garner supporters
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:09 PM
Nov 2019

Silly position

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Prosper

(761 posts)
48. Unlike Trump who is only chosen by god, Bloomberg thinks
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:21 PM
Nov 2019

he is god. Billionaires have no concept of reality. All they experience is people tripping over each other lavishing adoration and devotion on even the slightest chance the billionaire might look their way. They have totally abused the concept of money as the lifeblood of the economic system. They are incident oriented rather than institutional. They care not the slightest that hoarding and controlling billions of dollars removes that lifeblood from the economy creating poverty. Creating fabulous namesake foundations instead of fabulous namesake industrial parks. Gates and Buffet alone could create industrial centers pursuing improvements in technologies. No Bloomberg, you are not god deserving the worship of impoverished suffering masses.

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SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
57. Well, pot being illegal before hasn't stopped anything, and if anything, the drug trade...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:10 PM
Nov 2019

including pot has leaped by gigantic amounts over the last 20-30 years, and hasn't seem to have abated, regardless of the illegality of pot. Perhaps making pot legal is one way to (1) make tax revenues to more effectively fight the other scourges (heroin, meth, illegally used prescribed medicines, alcohol, etc.). There are other things that need more attention perhaps. Everybody is trying to get their hands around this issue and it impacts all of us.

Meth is a big problem, especially in rural Missouri where my retired Mom lives. I worry about her constantly, thinking that one day, someone is going to knock her in the head and steal from her to support their drug habit. And they have passed laws regarding the purchase of the OTC drugs that are used to manufacture meth, but that hasn't seemed to really dent the trade...it's simply moved over the border into Mexico and other places south.

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magicarpet

(14,124 posts)
84. Pot,... bad.....
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:21 PM
Nov 2019

Stop,... strip search,... then shoot,..... good.

What is this guy
A fascist
With a real fat bank account ?

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
94. Also misogynist and against a higher minimum wage. nt
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:53 PM
Nov 2019
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rurallib

(62,387 posts)
97. 72,000 ODed on drugs - how many died from alcohol or nicotine?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:06 PM
Nov 2019

be consistent and outlaw those also.

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apcalc

(4,462 posts)
100. I could give a rat's his or anyone else's position on pot ( except for the medical uses of cannabis)
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 06:37 PM
Nov 2019

We are fighting for our democracy, clean air and water, equal rights for all, putting kids in cages.

Seriously? Pot? A dumbass fight when there is so MUCH to fight for.

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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
101. This is what he considers an issue?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 06:41 PM
Nov 2019

Half the population are now in states that allow at least medical use of marijuana.

70K people a year die from overdoses of opioids (many which are LEGAL).

Just about no one dies from overdoses of marijuana.

I didn't realize he is a stupid man, but there's the evidence.

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