Biden Tells Dems: Cut Out the 'Lock Trump Up' Chants

[Gothmog]

Link to tweet

[mr_lebowski]

1. Why? He's a criminal ... just sayin (nt)

[OKNancy]

2. Because it is not going to happen and won't change any votes.

If there is one thing I believe it is: Democrats should be better people.

[zeusdogmom]

5. Yes

As hard as it can be, we are better than stupid chants

[mr_lebowski]

13. I'll remember that next time I'm out doing stupid 'What do we want? JUSTICE!

When do we want it? NOW!' chants at the next street protest I'm at.

[Demsrule86]

24. And what good do these protests do...time would be better spent registering voters...IMHO.

You can't protest into an indictment for Trump...it may never come but if it does clearly it will be if we win the Congress (both houses) and the presidency.

[mr_lebowski]

35. Okay, so 'protesting' is a stupid waste of time? Cool, I don't much like doing it (nt)

[LanternWaste]

106. I dig how you reduce yourself to using the reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

In pretending what other people say... I guess that's one way to argue a point no one is making.

[pangaia]

71. "And what good do these protests do?"

Well,tens of thousands, ney, hundreds of thousands of protesters in Hong Kong-many being beaten arrested and even killed- resulted so far in a record turnout for the vote on Sunday and it has paid off..so far...

Hong Kongers are no cowards, THAT'S for sure.. They LOVE where they live and they love DEMOCRACY..some, enough to die for it !!

THAT is what protesting in the USA would really be about... a fascist coup.....

[Eliot Rosewater]

81. We can do both. And, I will be honest, this comment telegraphs to me that

we are likely to see yet again no action taken against these filthy criminal repubs if the Dems take back the WH.

God I PRAY that isnt so, but my very FIRST objection to Joe was my fear he would NOT go after them if elected or appoint an AG who wont.

I will of course support Joe like he is the 2nd coming if he is the nominee, but if these criminals walk, I will be furious.




edit

I just saw velveteen wrote this, to which I agree

We do want justice, and charging Trump in a criminal proceeding would be justice.

Locking someone up - anyone - who hasn't been charged and convicted isn't justice.

But again, if we DONT indict them after this is all over...grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

61. We do want justice, and charging Trump in a criminal proceeding would be justice.

Locking someone up - anyone - who hasn't been charged and convicted isn't justice.

[mr_lebowski]

11. One can agree with your message text ...

While disputing your subject line, and I'll leave it at that

[Farmer-Rick]

151. So you are predicting Trump will do no jail time for all his crimes?

What about the crimes he committed before he was president?

So this singles to me that Bidden will not pursue prosecution for the crimes Trump has committed.

Chanting lock him up is not good or bad. It is merely an expression of frustration and anger by the people who chant it. I think people should be able to express their feelings as long as they are not threatening violence.

[Demsrule86]

4. A president should have nothing to do with locking anyone up...that is up to Justice...Trump

should never have gone there. It shows what little character he has and how unfit he is for the presidency..Biden is the real deal.

[Thekaspervote]

8. This! It sets the wrong tone for a respectable leader and political rally

[Demsrule86]

18. Exactly and we are going after voters in Trump districts who may not want Trump to continue as

president in 20 but don't want him jailed either.

[redqueen]

30. Exactly.

[demosincebirth]

80. If a plump voter hasn't changed, by this time, nothing

Nothing’ll change him/her.

[Hortensis]

52. Exactly. There will be an America after Trump, and our

party will have to do its best to make a large majority feel their nation is once again a better one for them. That's very doable by serving the people. And the half of our nation that is conservative IS half of our nation. We all have to live together, the way we once did will be good enough.

Btw, I believe this kind of leadership is among the best, and most needed, of what Biden offers.

[TheRealNorth]

58. Forgiveness is a personal choice

One that I am not willing to make, because the Republican fuckers are not willing to even admit the mistake. This is more B.S. Wall Street justice where the CEO pays a 50 million fine after bilking everyone for 1 billion.

I am sure just forgiving Trump and the Republicans for their treason will teach them- they only got 2 Supreme Court seats for the next 30-40 years.

[Hortensis]

62. Not necessary. Just don't shout insults in public.

It's rude and vulgar, counterproductive, and degrades our party. And from anywhere except the middle of a licensed mob it'd get you arrested and a new reputation courtesy of YouTube.

And not acting out enmity at work and in social situations will also be a good idea.

[Thekaspervote]

86. Indeed! We all have impulses, to act them out in public .... really?

[Hortensis]

94. :) Nothing like making a nasty scene to get one's

principles across.

[Midnightwalk]

108. Arrested for insults?

Where?

[Thekaspervote]

68. Agree completely... like it or not the gop isn't going away

One can spend your life bitter and angry. That isn’t helping, and only serves to hurt the individual bent on being so angry

[Midnight Writer]

129. Exactly. Having a President that does not lock up his opponents is kind of what America is all about

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. Exactly, Joe needs to acknowledge what WE The People WANT... why he won't be the nominee!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mr_lebowski]

26. Not exactly what I'm saying, but ... you do you my friend ;) (nt)

[Demsrule86]

31. We the people do not have the right to demand anyone gets locked up ...what are we? Lawless?

We have the rule of law period. And we should not ignore that because we dislike Trump and think he is a criminal (which he is of course). After 20, if we win, Justice will make that determination. Even guilty people don't always get prosecuted and Trump may have covered his tracks too well. We don't know yet. But lets not for God's sake attempt to be like this lawless piece of shit by shouting such nonsense at our rallies. It was wrong when Trump did it and is still wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. SURE WE DO!! I demand we lock that muthafuckin traiterous thievin' criminal Nazi bastard tRump up!!

I have every right to say it precisely because this IS America AND it's true. It's called freedom of speech... and tRumpty Dumbty DESERVES to be locked up, so why shouldn't we say it!!!

Lock him up!! Lock him up!! Lock him up!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mr_lebowski]

40. Chanting is decidedly different from locking people up ...

And which of our candidates are chanting 'lock him up', exactly?

[brooklynite]

72. Has there been a trial I wasn't aware of?

I wasn’t aware that we lock up,people who haven’t been convicted of something.

[flotsam]

152. "MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN" N/T

[I_UndergroundPanther]

111. Yep

[emmaverybo]

130. Speak for yourself, please. Speak for Bernie supporters if you want. Do not presume to speak

for we, the people.

[bdamomma]

132. That combination

would really shake things up!

But, I still like Joe.

[Gothmog]

67. The DOJ and an impartial Attorney General need to make this decision

[mr_lebowski]

69. They basically did. That's why Mikey Cohen is in jail. I'll leave it at that (nt)

[Gothmog]

115. The DOJ needs to make this decision

Biden wants the DOJ to make the decision free of any political influence https://news.yahoo.com/biden-tells-dems-cut-lock-030251383.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw

“I don’t think it’s a good idea that we model ourselves after Trump and say ‘lock him up,’” said Biden. “Look, we have to bring this country together. Let’s start talking civilly to people.”

The comments from Biden came during the Democratic presidential debate on Wednesday night and were another case of the former VP making a call for restored civility in a primary season that has witnessed more than a bit of blood thirst from the base. Chants of “lock him up” first made news when Trump attended a World Series game in Washington, D.C., and, subsequently, at a Bernie Sanders campaign rally.

Biden was asked, initially, if he would support a criminal investigation of Trump should he become president and the current White House occupant be out of office. He demurred, saying that such calls should be at the discretion of an independent Department of Justice.

“It is the attorney general of the United States, not the president’s private attorney,” he said, underscoring the prosecutorial independence of the post.

[PatSeg]

93. Because he hasn't been tried and convicted yet

And most importantly, it is imitating the mindless lowlifes on the right. We need to be very careful not to become that which we hate. We cannot claim the high ground when we stoop to their level.

[LanternWaste]

105. T-shirt slogans ain't policy and bumper stickers don't change anything.

'just sayin': a term coined to be used at the end of something insulting or offensive to take the heat off you when you say it. (urban dictionary)

[montanacowboy]

3. Shut Up Joe

n/t

[Demsrule86]

14. How rude...I imagine there would be trouble if I directed the same comments at Warren...you know

how you represent your candidate influences how some feel about your candidate...maybe it should not, but it does. I will vote blue no matter who in a general of course.

[still_one]

29. President Obama essentially said the same thing. It is immature and accomplishes nothing

That is why we our fortunate to have Pelosi leading the impeachment process

[Demsrule86]

34. So true. We are so fortunate...She is the best. I remember when some now going after Biden

sneered at her as being to old and out of touch...I can't imagine anyone more fit to lead Congress than Nancy Pelosi...my hero!

[still_one]

54. +++

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. LOL! Like nothin has ever been said about Bernie that would be trouble if directed @other candidates

Gimme a break!!




Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

36. When my kids said he/she did it first so it is OK that I also did it, I grounded them.

No doubt Sanders has been treated unfairly. As you know, I think he is in second place not Warren. However, the treatment of Sanders doesn't mean it is OK to treat other candidates badly...you kind of just illustrated my point... Two wrongs don't make a right!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

46. You know something Demsrule? That's a fair rebuttal statement you just made and I credit you

for acknowledging the terrible, hurtful things that have been said about Bernie in attacks on him. You have my respect... good for you!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

89. never seen a post saying "shut up, Bernie."

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

113. Right... MUCH worse than that!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

99. And what would Warren say?

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I imagine roughly the same thing. I doubt any of the candidates would approve it.

Edit: see below

[stonecutter357]

83. can't stand the truth ?

[treestar]

87. I've heard the very sentiment

on DU that we should not lower ourselves to their level, so I would hope that is not your response to fellow DUers.

[Drunken Irishman]

96. Shut up, Warren.

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

[treestar]

100. Good find ! Nt

[LakeArenal]

103. Thanks, good one

But maybe you shouldn’t return rude with rude. But I liked it in this instance.

[Cha]

117. lol.. Mahalo, DI.. I shall pass

it on when necessary. :

[Cha]

116. Haha, monatanacowboy.. EW said the same thing.. are you going to

tell her to "Shut up".. as well..

I'll wait..

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[Polybius]

150. That's over the line

He's just trying to unite.

[lsewpershad]

6. Yes, just shut up Joe

[Demsrule86]

12. I wonder how you would feel if we said you candidate should 'shut up'...rude.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. Yeah, like nothing rude has ever been said about Bernie!! LMFAO!!

[EDIT: but see my response to your other comment above... a fair comment to be sure. Respect!!]


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[stonecutter357]

84. can't stand the truth ?

[Cha]

118. Are you going to tell Warren to "Shut up", too?

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[Skya Rhen]

7. He sounds too much like Barack Obama. Some DU members won't take too kindly to this. In 3-2-1...

[Demsrule86]

10. I love President Obama and would not wan our president to be anything remotely like Trump.

[mr_lebowski]

19. Which candidate of ours was leading the chants at the Nationals World Series game again?

That is the most-known instance of that chant as far as I'm aware ...

[Demsrule86]

38. I have not idea.

" They all do it" doesn't cut it with me.

[mr_lebowski]

44. The answer is 'none of them', it was a spontaneous thing by the crowd ... no Dem candidate was there

I say this because you seem to be talking as though our candidates are leading chants of 'lock him up' ... but none of them have, AFAIK.

I would agree with the sentiment "A Dem Candidate shouldn't lead a chant like this", but if voters want to do it on their own ... so be it.

[Demsrule86]

50. Joe Biden took the initiative to say "stop" which I respect. I objected not to the chant in terms

of the candidates...but for the rude treatment Biden received at the hands of their supporters and am pretty shocked that some seem to want to abandon the rule of law. It seems they are in favor of a president having the power to lock someone up....this is not a power I would give to any president. I don't like what I consider mean spirited attacks on Joe and asked how they would feel if I told their candidates to shut up...it makes my like their candidates less...although vote blue no matter who in the general. Also, every American citizen no matter what ...even wretches like Trump deserve their day in court. It is imperative that we respect the rule of law and the constitution or our Republic will fall.

[mr_lebowski]

57. As I pointed out below, for all intents and purposes, Cohen being in jail for the Daniels thing ...

Means Trump's day in court has already happened AFAIC. If Trump wasn't POTUS already, he'd have been convicted with Cohen. There's really no reasonable debate on this.

Look, I support Joe, and would NOT support our candidates going out of there way to support such chants a like a rally ... but if voters want to chant it out ... I'm not going to tell 'em they should stop.

Also, bashing the rank and file who've engaged in such chants in this way is not really a smart move, IMHO.

[Demsrule86]

148. Rationalization. Trump has not had his day in court. Cohen has...

[The Valley Below]

27. Same here.

I don't want to be a "pitchfork" party like the Tea-bag infused Trumpist GOP.

We are way better than that.

Populism is a very bad path.

President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama showed the example for our party.

[still_one]

32. No doubt, and that is fine with me.

[Skya Rhen]

55. +1000

[redqueen]

9. I agree with Joe on this nt

[redqueen]

20. Please do some more reading.

You are either badly misinformed or... worse.

[disndat]

15. Why?

The only convoluted reason could be that the chant plays into the hands of Trumps supporters Maybe?.

[Demsrule86]

39. Any person, even Trump, is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That is the rule of law..

and we need to support this always not just when it is convenient.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. In terms of the law Trump isn't a criminal until he's been found guilty. Biden is making the point

that chanting "lock him up" with respect to a political rival who has not been found guilty by the legal system is a kind of banana republic thing to do, and as such does exactly mimic what his crowds were doing with respect to Clinton. If Trump is ever charged and tried, which is doubtful, he would almost certainly be convicted of any number of things - but that hasn't happened and might never happen. Demanding the locking up of someone who has not been convicted of a crime is what they do, not what we do. I hope.

[mr_lebowski]

53. I respect this argument, but allow me to point out that Clinton lost ...

And peoples perception that she had engaged in criminal acts almost surely played a significant role in that loss.

Although she was innocent.

And we KNOW that Trump is not. Hell, just what we know about Stormy Daniels ... the fact that freaking COHEN has been tried over it, and IS in jail ... even though he CLEARLY was NOT the beneficiary ...

Trump deserves jail, and I support the voters spontaneously chanting about it.

I don't support a CANDIDATE purposefully leading such a chant, however, to be clear.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

60. There's not much difference between a candidate leading a chant and allowing it to occur.

If he allows it to continue and doesn't say anything he is tacitly condoning it. Biden doesn't want to condone the idea of locking someone up who has not been found guilty by the legal system.

[NYMinute]

21. It makes us stoop to the deplorables' level

Joe Biden is 100% right.

Let the justice system take care of Trump. If he is found guilty, it will happen. It then won't look like a third world coup.

[mr_lebowski]

28. Coups involve military and similar entities ... these are voters, it's the opposite of a 'coup'

It's also not stooping to their level because Trump is an actual, bona-fide criminal.

Just sayin'

[Demsrule86]

41. That is not true...coups do not always involve the military. We have a rule of law and it must be

followed period.

[mr_lebowski]

47. Chanting is not breaking the rule of law & nobody goes to jail because people chant 'lock em up' nt

[handmade34]

23. "don't Boo, VOTE"

we are currently spiraling downward... I don't want us to continue the disgusting behavior started by trump supporters

[Demsrule86]

42. I agree completely.

[Cha]

119. Good one! Don't chant VOTE!! Like our Lives Depended

on it!

[dalton99a]

45. Should be "Lock Him Up and Throw Away The Key"

[vsrazdem]

48. People don't like being told what to do... just sayin.

[Cha]

120. Biden's not "walking away" from anything.. EW said the

same thing..'

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[Cha]

122. Agree.. Warren and Biden are exactly right..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Biden is right. Trump hasn't been charged, let alone convicted, of any crime.

We all know that should happen, and that if he were charged and tried he'd almost certainly be found guilty of lots of things, but under the law he's innocent until that happens. Biden is expressing his (correct) opposition to demanding the locking up of a political rival who has not been found guilty of a crime. The law presumes any person, even a slug like Trump, to be innocent until found guilty. Biden, unlike Trump, is a believer in the rule of law. Sounds like a good thing to me.

Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”

- A Man for All Seasons

[comradebillyboy]

56. Sorry Joe, all I can say is LOCK HIM UP...

[jalan48]

59. It will upset Republicans and make it harder to work with them!

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[jalan48]

70. Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm thing. I would say "Lock him up" isn't as bad as "Off with their heads".

[Cha]

123. EW said the same.. got any

sarcastic remarks for her?

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[LonePirate]

63. This Twitter user seems a little suspicious to me.

1. Several digits at the end of the name suggests an automated program created the account instead of an actual human, who likely would have chosen a different or modified name.
2. The user has a huge amount of tweets in the past five months (over 50+ tweets/day since the account was launched), the vast majority of which are retweets and memes.
3. Speaking of memes, this was tweeted hours before and in contradiction to the tweet in the OP.

Link to tweet

Maybe this user is a real person; but there are certainly enough questions to be suspicious of this account. It is nice to see an account being so supportive of a Democrat and Democratic views; but that doesn't make it an account to trust blindly without reservation.

[Backseat Driver]

97. Agreed but now both you and the OP have

chosen to spread tweets from Twitter that have really stirred up a lot of frustrated DU divisiveness about the issue of "best practice" primary candidate rally behavior - scrolling through answers here has been civil but, I believe, unhealthy to party unity. If indeed a candidate requests any specified chants, it would seem that the civil thing to do would be for supporters to honor that request; otherwise, choose to make another choice in rallies one might attend.

[delisen]

64. Nancy Pelosi said she wants to see Trump in prison did she not?

People, there is no going back to the mythical world of Democrats and Republicans getting along for the common good.

That world did not achieve liberty and justice for all. That world was a world where we lied to ourselves about liberty and justice for all.

We can have a democracy, we can have a democratic republic----but we are going to have to fight like hell for it.

The spectre of climate change alone is going to cause the fearful to seek a strongman leader.....and climate change is just one of several major challenges we are facing.

Our problems are not going to be solved without blood, sweat and tears. There will be shouting.

Many democrats as well as republicans are turning away from democracy. Our world is now so complex it will seem to many that we need a kind of dictatorship to get things done.

We are not going to secure a democracy by silencing ourselves or not speaking about the real threats we are facing.

[Thekaspervote]

74. Yes, she did say that. It' quite a different thing, saying what she said from her position than

Leading a crowd in a chant.

[delisen]

79. People need to speak. We are not cogs in a machine;

we are not robots; we are people.

I think Joseph Biden might consider making a statement that acknowledges the righteous anger of people who have been undergoing having their democratic institutions ripped away .

Perhaps he might talk more about the criminality of those who were shouting Lock her up in 2016.

He can do it calmly and respectfully but truth needs to be told.

[Thekaspervote]

90. He has spoken about the criminality of this administration

You become a “ cog in the wheel “ when you lower yourself to this kind of negative crowd mentality. Don’t want to be a cog in the wheel... do something positive... volunteer, speak positively about your candidate.

Shouting negative comments at a rally doesn’t cut it

[JoeOtterbein]

65. Yes, we need to change it to...

...Lock Them ALL up!

[Thekaspervote]

75. Let me ask.... if someone leaves that rally all fired up over a chant and hurts someone

Where do you think that would leave the candidate that did nothing to stop it?

[delisen]

82. People are dying right now due to Trump, the bodies are piling up

just like they have in Russia and Britain.

Khashoggi, asylum-seekers at the border, our allies, the Ukrainians , the Kurds.....possibly many people we don't even know about yet.

I think it is fine to speak out against the chant but one must also, at the same time, speak up about the reality.

Biden spoke up about Heather Heyer early on. We need to keep acknowledging the and bearing witness.

Hopefully Biden did so.

[Thekaspervote]

88. Indeed he has spoken out on several occasions about the terrible injustices this administration

Has done

[Thomas Hurt]

76. This lock your opponents up sh*t is Trumpian fascist newspeak...

wtf are we stooping to their and validating that propaganda.

[dchill]

77. Nevertheless, he should be locked up.

We're just not allowed to say do. Wouldn't be prudent.

[Cha]

124. Hey, dchill. EW said the same thing..

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[dchill]

142. Hey, Cha, I'm not advocating for or against...

ANY candidate. I just feel that it's a wonderful thing to properly implement that pithy phrase. I don't agree with anyone who tells people to shut up. I completely understand why they're doing it - I just disagree with them.

[world wide wally]

78. What if we change it to, "off with his head"?

[SWBTATTReg]

91. After all of the years of listening to rump's ignorant claims of Obama not being an American,

and to lock up HRC, including some such as general Flynn who chanted this too, I'll say whatever I damn well please, and if that includes saying out loud to 'lock him up!', so be it. My first amendment right shall not be stifled. I'm sick and tired of listening to others rant and rave their ridiculous things, and if it's my time to mouth off at them, so be it. I'm exercising my first amendment right thank god.

We're not at a Chess Club meeting or the Book of the Month club.

We know that we're fighting against voter apathy and low energy (as in all elections it seems).

We have literally over a dozen presidential candidates running against rump (the presumed republican nominee), and we need every bit of energy to counter rump's constant stream of lies, outlandish claims, vindictiveness, etc., as well as the almost overwhelmingly boring election cycle thus far (it seemed to have started way too early). Candidates are already running out of money...go figure.

Making campaign promises such as college for all, universal health care for all, income inequality (addressing and dealing w/ it), climate change, etc., or other such things won't do it, if anything, will drive voters away. It's way too early to promise something period, and besides, it's got to go through both congressional houses and then to the executive office for signature.

Why are some candidates focusing so early in the process on such big gigantic issues that already are complicated and involved, and a one sentence or thereabouts blurb on it isn't the way to resolve the issue. If anything, you're giving the other side more means to bash democratic candidates (they're socialists they will claim (probably already are)). I know that each democratic candidate is trying to stand out above the others for votes, but perhaps don't promise the moon yet. Wait until you're in office, then start dealing w/ the serious issues. Why do we have to put stuff the table? rump certainly isn't.

We need to boost the energy and enthusiasm levels, and show that non rump voters are full of energy and enthusiasm for life, are eager and keen for a different kind of government, one that's for people actually (and not the 1%ers).

[brutus smith]

92. Biggest reason for me for Joe not to be the nominee.

It will be same old same old.

[Cha]

125. Is that a fact? Your candidate said the same damn thing.. What do

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you think about that, brutus smith?

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[brutus smith]

146. Two totally different reasons.

Sad you don't see that.

[Cha]

147. lol.. oh yeah.. EW's "reason" is better?! lololololol

[phleshdef]

153. Warren said the same exact thing Biden said on this matter.

You look awfully silly don't you?

[brutus smith]

155. See reply above.

[flamingdem]

95. He's right and so it Obama

We need to thread the needle. The celebrations come later as well as the clink of the cell door.

[andym]

98. Joe Biden shows his moral fiber by asking people not to shout "Lock him up."

Joe wants to return civility to the USA. OTOH, Joe's advice is not an order, and if there are people that think Trump is guilty of crimes and deserves some of the same disrespect that he has dished out, they will just exercise their right of freedom of speech and proceed.

[Cha]

126. Exactly.. same with EW..

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[Runningdawg]

101. Because going high when they went low worked so well!!

[Blue_true]

144. We didn't beat Trump in 2016 because we had a lot of people that bought into lies so

thoroughly that they became virulent opponents against the very things they claimed they wanted. The Russian upper echelon saw that and took advantage of it to help elect Trump.

[Aaron Pereira]

102. The "lock him up" chants don't scare Trump.

Legal accountability in the real world scares the shit out of him. Save the bumper sticker slogans and dig into the facts surrounding his illegal activity. Impeach, indict and convict.

[LakeArenal]

104. Joe asked us not to chant.

I will because he is trying to be civil and mimicking trumpers is gross.

I hated us using “nasty woman”

I want to lock him up. I just won’t chant it at a Biden rally because he asked me not to.

Anywhere else I just might join in.

[underthematrix]

107. I agree with Vice President Biden

We're supposed to be the party of civility, reason, kindness and unity. Let's act like it.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

109. I agree with him.

We need to be better than them. Let the process work itself out.

[Doreen]

110. Biden is better than trump.

He is encouraging his followers to be better than trump's followers.

Personally, I think it was/is crappy and shows no class to do all of that needles chanting.

I admire Biden for discouraging that behavior.

Obama discourages it also. Why is it OK for Obama to discourage it but not Biden?

[totodeinhere]

112. I'n glad to see Joe taking the high road.

That's the difference between us and them.

[Gothmog]

114. Biden wants the DOJ and an independent Attorney General to make decision

Biden wants the DOJ to make the decision free of any political influence https://news.yahoo.com/biden-tells-dems-cut-lock-030251383.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw

“I don’t think it’s a good idea that we model ourselves after Trump and say ‘lock him up,’” said Biden. “Look, we have to bring this country together. Let’s start talking civilly to people.”

The comments from Biden came during the Democratic presidential debate on Wednesday night and were another case of the former VP making a call for restored civility in a primary season that has witnessed more than a bit of blood thirst from the base. Chants of “lock him up” first made news when Trump attended a World Series game in Washington, D.C., and, subsequently, at a Bernie Sanders campaign rally.

Biden was asked, initially, if he would support a criminal investigation of Trump should he become president and the current White House occupant be out of office. He demurred, saying that such calls should be at the discretion of an independent Department of Justice.

“It is the attorney general of the United States, not the president’s private attorney,” he said, underscoring the prosecutorial independence of the post.

[Cha]

128. Thank you for more clarification, Goth..

I actually like that Biden is saying this.

[highplainsdem]

138. Biden's right, as usual.

[Kurt V.]

127. it may well be therapeutic. so, no joe.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

131. Yep. And anyone can do a search of that phrase here and see some of the same folks ...

... complaining about this enjoying the chants of “lock him up” for Flynn and Manafort. But but but, teh Bernie!

[Cha]

133. Whatever, Kurt.. Warren said the same thing.. ya gonna tell her "no"?

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[Kurt V.]

135. Absolutely

[Cha]

137. uh huh

[Kurt V.]

141. for real. I'm a warren supporter thru and thru. Doesn't mean i have to agree with her 100%

[Iwasthere]

134. Taking the high road helped to get us where we are today

Tired of being walked all over. They fight Extreme dirty. Their followers like it. These are different times. Look what Hundreds of thousands on the streets in China accomplished. WE MUST GET STIRRED UP..... NOT GONNA TAJE IT ANYMORE!

[Cha]

139. This is the sensible road.

[ecstatic]

136. Nope!

I respect your opinion VP Biden, but trump is a criminal and I will gladly join in and/or start a "lock him up" chant whenever the opportunity arises.

[Cha]

140. Gotta say "Nope!" to EW, too..

Elizabeth Warren Tells Crowd To Stop ‘Lock Him Up’ Chants During Nevada Campaign Rally

https://hillreporter.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-crowd-to-stop-lock-him-up-chants-during-nevada-campaign-rally-47345

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=358916

[rockfordfile]

143. Don't agree

If Trump isn't locked up down the road, then the Nation will see the Democrats as weak or you will hear they're the same.

[Steelrolled]

145. Come on Joe, people just want to have a little fun sometimes.

[BlueWI]

149. Meh.

Democratic front runner pushes back against enthusiasm. Isn't there a climate emergency we can talk about?

A big segment of anti-Trump voters wants a corrupt president defeated. Miss Manners tactics now?

How hard is it to stick to the real issues? There's plenty of them on the table. Set the example with a focus on policy and a turnout strategy and we win. Depress turnout among the base and we could lose.

But of course, mollifying the opposition is ok as long as it's Biden, right?

[phleshdef]

154. Moral of this thread... Warren supporters criticizing this need to check themselves

Warren and Biden are in agreement. We need to act like fucking adults.