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Peacetrain

(22,874 posts)
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:35 AM Feb 2019

"Its so easy to screw with the Democrats"

How many times have all of us heard this over the years.. its a mantra the right repeats and repeats and the left falls all over its self to fulfill their screed..

Seriously folks.. I have been on this site for almost 11 years and every time, and I swear every time we come to elections.. people fall all over themselves to demonize other Democrats and a number of them walk away to vote for the republicans if their candidates do not win

And if you bring it up that this keeps happening.. they will swarm you , and that you are trying to push party loyalty.. they are so above that don't you know.. trust me.. just watch this..


You may not care for another candidate.. and it is perfectly good and preferable if there are issues that they be pointed out.. but when you start seeing right wing sites and talking points being used.. just beware..

Honest to Pete the last thing I want to see in August of 2020 is the supporters of one candidate being delegated to a room to even post information on meetings because the swarm will come after them

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"Its so easy to screw with the Democrats" (Original Post) Peacetrain Feb 2019 OP
K&R!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2019 #1
I vow to vote and promote enthusiastically for anyone who wins the Dem nomination. honest.abe Feb 2019 #2
+1000 Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #11
We need to remember that the worst democrat is 1000 times better than dRump!!! Left-over Feb 2019 #19
Same here ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #27
Absolutely!! What real choice do we have?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #28
Peacetrain. The bitterness towards Sanders supporters now is crazytown Feb 2019 #3
Bernie isn't my #1 choice right now. watoos Feb 2019 #5
I give Senator Sanders credit, a lot of credit, crazytown Feb 2019 #6
What choice do the other candidates have BUT to adopt Benie's progressive platform... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #29
I mainly agree with your post. watoos Feb 2019 #4
I have absolutely no problem promoting a candidate you support whole heartedly ripcord Feb 2019 #7
👍 Duppers Feb 2019 #12
They always say Democrats will find a way to screw themselves. Nft lancelyons Feb 2019 #8
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #9
It starts with me (and you) Politicub Feb 2019 #10
Yeah, I've felt that, too. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #20
I would trust the benevolence of an 18 year old tuxedo cat over Trump Politicub Feb 2019 #24
I won't demonize Democrats fascisthunter Feb 2019 #13
Ideological purity keithbvadu2 Feb 2019 #14
Yeah, let's not let that happen. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #15
I try to remain positive.... Adrahil Feb 2019 #16
Some of us have decided already, but many are still undecided FakeNoose Feb 2019 #17
Nader in 2000...... WcoastO Feb 2019 #18
Not to mention True Blue American Feb 2019 #22
I am trying hard True Blue American Feb 2019 #21
I wish you'd have framed it "...demonize other Democrats, or those that run as Democrats" LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #23
I don't think we lost in 2016 because of the primary Trenzalore Feb 2019 #25
Here's what to do: ONLY say positive things about real Democrats. sharedvalues Feb 2019 #26
 

honest.abe

(8,659 posts)
2. I vow to vote and promote enthusiastically for anyone who wins the Dem nomination.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:45 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Left-over

(234 posts)
19. We need to remember that the worst democrat is 1000 times better than dRump!!!
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:30 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
27. Same here
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:59 PM
Feb 2019

Not even something to contemplate in the slightest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
28. Absolutely!! What real choice do we have?!
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:59 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
3. Peacetrain. The bitterness towards Sanders supporters now is
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:48 AM
Feb 2019

quite unlike the PUMA/Clinton situation after 2008, or the Deniacs after 2004. The difference is Democrats feel they are being challenged and attacked from the outside, and if Sanders fails to win the nomination, will stay outside.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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watoos

(7,142 posts)
5. Bernie isn't my #1 choice right now.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 12:05 PM
Feb 2019

with that said, I think it is a mistake for people here to speak negatively about any of our candidates. Every one of our candidates has a skeleton or 2 in their closet. Who decides where we draw the line? Who is the next Democratic candidate that we shouldn't vote for?

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
6. I give Senator Sanders credit, a lot of credit,
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 12:18 PM
Feb 2019

for the progressive platform adopted by many of the candidates in 2020. I appreciate what he means by socialism - that healthcare, a living wage, affordable housing and higher education are human rights - a vision espoused by Truman in the Fair Deal. I just wish he hadn’t run again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
29. What choice do the other candidates have BUT to adopt Benie's progressive platform...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 05:02 PM
Feb 2019

It became so popular with the American people... it
would be political suicide NOT to adopt it.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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watoos

(7,142 posts)
4. I mainly agree with your post.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:51 AM
Feb 2019

I even go farther. If you see issues in another candidate you better damn well be sure that those issues are real.
People still believe that Hillary and Podesta ran a sex ring in the basement of a pizza shop that didn't have a basement.

Why can't we just be positive about the candidate we like? I see no problem in saying so and so is not my #1 choice, I don't consider that negative. If I say that so and so is too far to the right to suit me, that's just my opinion. So and so may not be too far right for the majority of Democrats.

I am not afraid to admit that I was fooled by some issues that came from Russian trolls and bots that were posted on social media. We also have domestic right wing trolls and bots to worry about.

I'm sorry but I admit that I am not smart enough to weed out all of the propaganda that is going to saturate us in 2020. The only solution for me is to ignore the negativity and only be positive.

Good luck to "all" of our candidates, whoever wins will be the best person to save our democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ripcord

(5,327 posts)
7. I have absolutely no problem promoting a candidate you support whole heartedly
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 12:35 PM
Feb 2019

I have a serious problem when attacking other democratic candidates is a part of that support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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lancelyons

(988 posts)
8. They always say Democrats will find a way to screw themselves. Nft
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:50 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
10. It starts with me (and you)
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 01:55 PM
Feb 2019

I know everything is just getting started, but DU doesn’t feel as toxic as it did during the last presidential cycle.

I’m trying to remain positive. But sometimes what I think is positive or factual will make someone else angry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
20. Yeah, I've felt that, too.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

I think all of us learned a lesson after that bitter 2016 fight.

We've had two horrible years of appalling corruption with Trump's treasonous wrecking crew tearing everything down. The latest with restricting federal funds to entities that even refer people to abortion services.

No - my 18-year old cat would be a better president than Trump, and he's getting senile. No matter who the Democrats run, we've all got to fervently support them and work hard to get out the vote.

Here's a pic of a tuxedo kitty - not mine, but hey, I love cats!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
24. I would trust the benevolence of an 18 year old tuxedo cat over Trump
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 03:55 PM
Feb 2019

It would be ab easy choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
13. I won't demonize Democrats
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:18 PM
Feb 2019

I will ask about their stances on issues or their track record, that is all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
15. Yeah, let's not let that happen.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:23 PM
Feb 2019

For my part, I promise I will not be divisive and will absolutely support whomever is chosen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
16. I try to remain positive....
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:24 PM
Feb 2019

But I can only take so many pokes in the eye before I express my anger. I’m tired ofbeing told that my party and it’s candidates aren’t good enough by an outsider seeking its nomination

If I were to vote in a presidential
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FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
17. Some of us have decided already, but many are still undecided
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:30 PM
Feb 2019

Asking questions and disagreeing with a candidate's position, that's what the primaries are all about. It doesn't mean someone is "trashing" your candidate, it means they're still undecided and open to debate.

We have to respect each other, and allow for personal differences. More importantly we need to realize that we're all in this together. This is how we carefully select the right person (man or woman) to be our standard bearer in 2020. Once that person is chosen - full steam ahead. We will ALL support the Democratic nominee, and we will all work for the victory of our Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WcoastO

(55 posts)
18. Nader in 2000......
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:30 PM
Feb 2019

took votes away from impure Gore.....and we got Alito and Roberts and Iraq and Katrina the unPatriot Act....and 9/11(the Bushies were asleep at the wheel).

If I were to vote in a presidential
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True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
22. Not to mention
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:38 PM
Feb 2019

In bed with the Saudi’s. The old man was in a meeting with them when the Towers went down.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
21. I am trying hard
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:36 PM
Feb 2019

To stay away from the negative posts, because at this time we need to support each other. I do not always succeed, but I try!

We need to be united against Trump and Republicans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalLovinLug

(14,169 posts)
23. I wish you'd have framed it "...demonize other Democrats, or those that run as Democrats"
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:50 PM
Feb 2019

Who are, by all intents and purposes, viewed as Democrats on this site. I am speaking of Sanders of course.

Because you just know that there is a poster who will, or is damn tempted, to post the tired old "But Bernie is not a Democrat!" (So I can screw with him all I fucking want!)

Even though many of Sanders past supporters now would like him to bow out for new blood, including myself, I wonder if these provocateurs even understand how it hurts and divides the base who at one time were 48% for Sanders during one point in the last primaries. They are still here. And some of the juvenile petty smears on him don't reflect well on the site as a whole.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
25. I don't think we lost in 2016 because of the primary
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:37 PM
Feb 2019

I'm no fan of Bernie Sanders and I supported Hillary.

There was a real anger that the economic recovery over the past 8 year didn't rise all boats. A good portion of that blame goes to republicans taking office in 2011 in congress but it was the reality. Trump was spewing populistic anger and racism in swing states where this was felt the hardest and Hillary made assumptions about the obvious unfitness for office about Trump that negatively effected her campaign.

2008 was brutal. There will be 3 3/4 year of Trump being President to run against in November 2020. If after that people stay home it isn't the competitive primary it is the candidate didn't do their job forcing the President to defend his record.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
26. Here's what to do: ONLY say positive things about real Democrats.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:44 PM
Feb 2019

Never criticize a Democrat. Advocate for the good things about your candidate. Don't criticize Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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