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According to 538 Biden is in the lead in Iowa and NH! (Original Post) Gothmog Dec 2019 OP
URGENT UPDATE @538 ALL POLLS ON AVERAGE #IOWA AND #NEWHAMPSHiRE Gothmog Dec 2019 #1
Steady as you GOJOE! Cha Dec 2019 #5
I'll say it again. Date those guys...Marry Joe! Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #14
Trends and averages are more revealing and reliable... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #2
Agree! And....it will be great when sanders returns to VT! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #13
For anyone.... boomer_wv Dec 2019 #3
Thanks for this update, Goth! R B Garr Dec 2019 #4
Democrats want to win....no we NEED to win. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #6
great! Warren will successfully block BS path to nomination AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #7
That is true...and the sooner he loses by a large amount the sooner he will suspend his campaign Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #17
I honestly don't think neither Sanders nor Warren will suspend, at least not early. bearsfootball516 Dec 2019 #26
I agree to a point but Sander is a problem if he goes to the convention...I do not think a huge Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #31
Iowa has a caucus. Polls are not as important as local organization. Midnight Writer Dec 2019 #8
Right and this is why there should be no caucuses...it does not measure the vote of a state for the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #19
Well that isnt how it is. Bernie winning IA likely means he will win the first two states Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #25
No it wouldn't...not when one is New Hampshire...Bernie does not have enough AA support to win the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #32
With the order of the primary, it is a huge setback. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #33
Frag - Order thewhollytoast Dec 2019 #9
IA has a caucus, polls are irrelevant Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #10
All of the sudden they're irrelevant. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #18
In IA, they basically have been Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #22
Righhhhht BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #23
You responded fast. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #24
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #11
K&R Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #12
ROFLMAO!!!! crazytown Dec 2019 #15
Biden may not win IA and NH but PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #16
That is my take too. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #21
sanders needs a clear win in Iowa an New Hampshire Gothmog Dec 2019 #27
Hardly looking like the lay up easy win For Sanders his supporters have claimed it would be. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #20
RCP has Buttigieg leading Iowa with 22% ritapria Dec 2019 #28
How is it obvious? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #29
So "No Malarkey" wasn't so off-putting after all! treestar Dec 2019 #30
Biden will lead and win the most delegates until some candidates drop out.... Joe941 Dec 2019 #34
Biden's the One! oasis Jan 2020 #35
From Nate Gothmog Jan 2020 #36
Iowa-- Biden in the lead Gothmog Jan 2020 #37
How Biden stopped his Iowa tailspin Gothmog Jan 2020 #38
 

Gothmog

(144,848 posts)
1. URGENT UPDATE @538 ALL POLLS ON AVERAGE #IOWA AND #NEWHAMPSHiRE
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:56 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,695 posts)
5. Steady as you GOJOE!
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:04 AM
Dec 2019

Mahalo, Goth!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
14. I'll say it again. Date those guys...Marry Joe!
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 09:02 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. Trends and averages are more revealing and reliable...
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:59 PM
Dec 2019

... compared to outliers and online polls. BS will not be our party's nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,683 posts)
13. Agree! And....it will be great when sanders returns to VT!
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:38 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
3. For anyone....
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:00 AM
Dec 2019

who doesn't understand why this happened when no new state polls have come out...

The 538 model assumes correlation with other state and national polls. So, since we have seen some decline in Buttigieg numbers nationally and Biden has seen some of his best polls lately, you get movement like this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
4. Thanks for this update, Goth!
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:03 AM
Dec 2019

It looks like Democrats are consistently picking the candidate who has been the most unifying! The in-fighting has worked against the candidates engaged in it.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
6. Democrats want to win....no we NEED to win. nt
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:13 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
7. great! Warren will successfully block BS path to nomination
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:59 AM
Dec 2019

She is saving our party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,453 posts)
17. That is true...and the sooner he loses by a large amount the sooner he will suspend his campaign
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:55 PM
Dec 2019

or at least minimize the harm he can cause our nominee. This team primary nonsense that some of Warren and Biden supporters are talking about will cost us the general if we end up with a brokered convention..so Biden's margins in the end must be bigger than their combined delegate count.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bearsfootball516

(6,372 posts)
26. I honestly don't think neither Sanders nor Warren will suspend, at least not early.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:19 PM
Dec 2019

They're both pulling enough support to hang on. But the longer they both stay in the race, the better for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,453 posts)
31. I agree to a point but Sander is a problem if he goes to the convention...I do not think a huge
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:31 PM
Dec 2019

number of voters would support Sanders ...as more than a few Hillary supporters in Warren's numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Midnight Writer

(21,674 posts)
8. Iowa has a caucus. Polls are not as important as local organization.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:57 AM
Dec 2019

With these candidates clustered so closely, the decision will go to the candidate with the best boots on the ground.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,453 posts)
19. Right and this is why there should be no caucuses...it does not measure the vote of a state for the
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:02 PM
Dec 2019

candidates. If they insist on keeping caucuses...they need to go last next time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
25. Well that isnt how it is. Bernie winning IA likely means he will win the first two states
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:13 PM
Dec 2019

That would be devastating for the frontrunner.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,453 posts)
32. No it wouldn't...not when one is New Hampshire...Bernie does not have enough AA support to win the
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:32 PM
Dec 2019

nomination. Thus he won't be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
33. With the order of the primary, it is a huge setback.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:33 PM
Dec 2019

Losing the first two states might not completely derail Biden, but it wont be a good thing for him. The only way to keep this in the bag is if he wins all the early states. If one candidate wins the first two states they are likely to have a lot of momentum to cipher enough votes in sc that would hinder Biden in super tuesday. "Denial is not just a river in egypt." As they say.


That being said, if Biden wins both states, it is basically game over for anybody else. Based on polls, that is also a very likely option.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thewhollytoast

(318 posts)
9. Frag - Order
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:19 AM
Dec 2019

Frag - Order

“Kids it is time to fix bayonets and push these “mutherfucker’s” back into the sea.”

Colonel Biden forget your losses and protect the rear.

Sergeant Major Bernie rally the troops! We have new people coming in.

Toast

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
10. IA has a caucus, polls are irrelevant
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:53 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,282 posts)
18. All of the sudden they're irrelevant.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:00 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
22. In IA, they basically have been
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:07 PM
Dec 2019

As long as they are within 1 point, and even more when they are exponentially within the moe. Everybody knows Sanders over performs well in caucus states, and he is polling ahead already in NH. Winning IA, even by the slmissest margins puts him on track to win IA and NH. No candidate has won both without also winning the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

 

PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
16. Biden may not win IA and NH but
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 09:09 AM
Dec 2019

he will be a close second or a close third in a neck to neck race, taking away the thunder of winning from anyone at the top.
Biden will win Nevada and then sweep SC, winning all the delegates there and in a lead that he will never lose after that.

Go Joe!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(68,453 posts)
21. That is my take too.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:03 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,848 posts)
27. sanders needs a clear win in Iowa an New Hampshire
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:28 PM
Dec 2019

If there is an effective tie, then Biden will clean up in South Carolina

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,282 posts)
20. Hardly looking like the lay up easy win For Sanders his supporters have claimed it would be.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:02 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
28. RCP has Buttigieg leading Iowa with 22%
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 05:20 PM
Dec 2019

Mayor Pete is leading in 3 of the last 4 Iowa Polls published .. Nate has him in 3rd place ? Nate is an obvious supporter of Biden … Silver is constantly talking up Biden's prospects , while describing Bernie's supporter as "residue" …...He is the genius who stated Trump would never win the GOP nomination- when it was obvious he had a real chance of doing so …. The "numbers man" lets his personal opinions cloud his analysis of the data … Hence , he has lost some of his credibility ….

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. So "No Malarkey" wasn't so off-putting after all!
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:27 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
34. Biden will lead and win the most delegates until some candidates drop out....
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 09:45 PM
Dec 2019

And coalesce around bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,848 posts)
38. How Biden stopped his Iowa tailspin
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 12:15 AM
Jan 2020



He launched a successful, eight-day bus tour through rural Iowa last month that sparked an uptick in volunteers, precinct captain requests and caucus commitments. He doubled his fundraising in the last quarter, allowing him to flood the state’s airwaves with ads.

This week, Biden’s Iowa fortunes picked up again when he landed perhaps the most influential Iowa endorsement to date — Rep. Abby Finkenauer, the second youngest person ever elected to Congress. That followed on the heels of endorsement from two other influential state Democrats — Tom Vilsack, a former governor and U.S. secretary of Agriculture, and his wife, Christie — and a well-timed cash infusion in TV ads from a pro-Biden superPAC.

Biden’s rebound comes amid a concentrated effort here. From Nov. 30 through this weekend, Biden will have spent 16 days in Iowa. By caucus day, he will have spent $4 million in integrated paid media, including broadcast TV, cable, Hulu, and social media.

The former vice president is on a second extended bus tour now — and the campaign just announced a separate surrogate bus tour next week with former Secretary of State John Kerry, Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, and various federal and state lawmakers from across the country.
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