Event organizer: Biden, accuser were never alone together

[DonViejo]

BY KYLE BALLUCK - 03/31/19 07:53 AM EDT

The organizer of a Nevada campaign rally said late Saturday that Joe Biden and the former state assemblywoman who accused the former vice president of inappropriate contact at the event were never alone together.

“I have thoroughly reviewed photographic documentation from the event, and spoken to nearly every principle in attendance, as well as staff associated with the event. To the best of our recollection, at no time were Lucy Flores and Vice President Biden alone,” Henry Munoz, co-founder of Latino Victory Project, said in a statement.

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Munoz said in his statement that Biden had his own holding room at the event, while Flores waited in the same room as he and organization leaders, advance staff and campaign staff did.

"In the moments before the Vice President and the candidate went onstage to address supporters and press, they were together just off stage left, and surrounded by security, medical and production staff,” Munoz said.

“Lucy is my good friend and a good friend to Latino Victory, which has strongly supported her political career. I also firmly believe that women need to be supported and heard and that there is a reckoning in our culture that is long overdue. Vice President Biden is also my close friend, to the degree that he presided over my own marriage. These are both individuals that I love and respect,” he said.

“Yet at no time were these two leaders alone together and I, and the organization I cofounded and those in attendance, do not believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place,” he added.

A spokesman for Biden told The Hill on Friday that neither the former vice president nor his staff recalled the events described by Flores, but added that Biden believes she has a right to share her recollection.

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full article
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/436601-event-organizer-biden-accuser-were-never-alone-together

[dalton99a]

1. Kick

[MustLoveBeagles]

2. K&R

[Peacetrain]

3. K&R

[quickesst]

4. K&R!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. She never said they were.

[Tipperary]

7. She is on Jake Tapper right now. She says they were not alone when it happened.

The whole thing is so bizarre. I wish Biden would simply say it did not happen

[mobeau69]

8. I wish Biden would simply say it did not happen

s/b I wish Biden could simply say it did not happen.

[bitterross]

76. There is nothing Biden can say that will help.

I understand your desire for him to make a statement. History shows us this doesn't matter and often makes things worse.

We have come to the point that some of us require our candidates to be perfect people. With no blemishes or even rumors about them. Otherwise, we do the work of the GOP for the GOP and devour the candidate.

It is quite sad really.

[Cha]

109. Yes, they were not alone.. and no one

saw the interaction she's claiming.

“I have thoroughly reviewed photographic documentation from the event, and spoken to nearly every principle in attendance, as well as staff associated with the event. To the best of our recollection, at no time were Lucy Flores and Vice President Biden alone,” Henry Munoz, co-founder of Latino Victory Project, said in a statement.

“Lucy is my good friend and a good friend to Latino Victory, which has strongly supported her political career. I also firmly believe that women need to be supported and heard and that there is a reckoning in our culture that is long overdue. Vice President Biden is also my close friend, to the degree that he presided over my own marriage. These are both individuals that I love and respect,” he said.

“Yet at no time were these two leaders alone together and I, and the organization I cofounded and those in attendance, do not believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place,” he added.

[True Blue American]

6. Flores is on CNN

Right now. Went to the Beto rally yesterday.

She is really making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Her kind do great damage to real sexual harrassment claims. And Tapper is milking it.

[yardwork]

11. Flores is on the board of Our Revolution, which supports Bernie Sanders.

[True Blue American]

14. Yes, I know that

She also lied on CNN claiming she had not endorsed anyone yet.

That is when I turned her off.

[pnwmom]

98. She didn't lie. She left Our Revolution in May 2018.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128745690

[Jarqui]

31. Starting to smell like a hit job with little substance nt

[yardwork]

32. Also, Biden endorsed her primary opponent.

[Jarqui]

33. Hell hath no fury ... ?

[treestar]

70. Not exactly a group that is reality based

and where are Bernie's taxes? Is this a deflection? Yes.

[pnwmom]

97. Not anymore. She left the org in May 2018.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128745690

[FBaggins]

28. Her kind?

Ouch.

[True Blue American]

80. Yes,her kind

Does serious harm to the movement that affects women, which is sexual harrassment.

I am a woman and have no sympathy for a woman who uses a pat on the shoulder 4/5 years ago in plain sight of dozens,with Secret Service there,too.

Those types of women do great harm to those who are really sexually abused. You may not like what I say, but women can exaggerate. If this keeps up women will not be believed and I consider that terrible.

[Kentonio]

102. Really?

So if your boss at the start of a meeting came up and put his hands on your shoulders and kissed the back of your head, you’d think that was completely appropriate and ok because you weren’t alone at the time?

Joe Biden has never come across as a sexual predator of any kind, but the age when men could just touch women like this without any invitation needs to end now.

[True Blue American]

112. I would not wait 4 years to complain

And Joe was not her boss. She also posed happily with him several times after! She certainly was not upset then. Shades of Al Franken who had his Career ruined.

And yes, she is hurting women who have serious charges.

You just took a situation and made your own story out of it.

[Kentonio]

113. He is one of the most important figures in the party

Woman being afraid of speaking out about powerful men isn’t some new thing. I don’t know why you think this somehow hurts women who have experienced much worse situations, are men supposed to be free to touch women whenever they please as long as they’re not actually sexually assaulting them?

I think we can aim for better than that, and say that it’s not ok to make close physical contact with a woman like this without her consent. That doesn’t seem an unreasonable burden. As for Joe I don’t think it’s disqualifying in the slightest, as long as he just understands that the world has changed now, and behavior that was once considered normal is not ok in this age. It doesn’t have to be seen as some attack on Joe, just as a learning moment for all men.

[True Blue American]

114. Because it was

Such a minor thing in front of dozens of people and she posed happily with him very closely later!

What has Bernie done about the harrassment charges among his staff that he was too busy to notice?

See how that works?

[Kentonio]

116. He's apologized and said he'll put measures in place to ensure it never happens again.

See, pretty simple.

[True Blue American]

119. Well, Schuckie Darn

Joe apologized,too! And Flores just said it does not in any way concern sexual harrassment.

Sanders had a sexual harrassment problem in his office.

[UniteFightBack]

35. I'm sorry that this accusation is not landing as she had hoped...but it ain't. nt

[Maraya1969]

40. I agree. If it happened was it sexual? I think not.

We have to remember that there are going to be women who will take advantage of the "Metoo" movement. That is just a fact.

LeeAnn Tweeden is a perfect example. I think we don't want to think that a Democrat could lie like Tweeden did but it is possible.

[treestar]

68. Yes. Let's just hand the right some stuff to use

And hypocritically too, since their candidates are so much worse.

[George II]

9. She was just on Jake Tapper's show, she went on and on....

...she repeated the same things over and over again.

But she DID say the reason she spoke out now is because Biden is about to announce his candidacy.

I saw elsewhere that her story changed a little - originally she said he kissed the back of her head, but I guess someone pointed out how much taller he is, so now it's the top of her head.

People should watch her entire segment.

[dalton99a]

16. +1. I saw it. Zero credibility

[Tipperary]

86. Agreed.

[democratisphere]

29. Sounds like Flores is selling it really hard.

Women like this destroy the credibility of "me too".

[George II]

57. She went on and on as though programmed, even after Tapper tried to wrap it up for a commercial.

[True Blue American]

81. Jake did not help

By looking as if it were a really serious offense.

Joe Biden has been in the public eye since he was 29 years old, a loving affectionate man, who has suffered losses most of us could not cope with. Is happily married to his second wife.

I have never once seen him act out of place. I have seen photo shopped pictures.

[Cha]

87. Sounds to me like she

was trying to drive the nails in Joe's metaphorical political coffin in as short as time as possible.

One person here I read didn't find her "credible".

She does like to try and smear.. this is from 2017 after the GE..

Link to tweet

[BlueFlorida]

69. +1

As Judge Judy says, "If you are telling the truth, you don't need to have a great memory."

[mobeau69]

10. The premise of Munoz's statement is wrong.

Flores never said they were alone.

[highplainsdem]

51. His statement is that no one witnessed what happened, and since they were never alone, the fact

that no one saw the interaction she alleges is relevant.

[Cha]

108. Thanks for pointing that

out, highplains!

[BlueFlorida]

72. The point is that if they were with people

at least one person should be able to corroborate that it happened?

ONE?

ANYONE?

[qazplm135]

75. Ok

Then why didn't anyone else see it then?

[Demsrule86]

93. Oh please the even did no go off as she claimed. She works for OR.

[Autumn]

12. She never claimed they were alone did she? nt

[KayF]

13. no she didn't

but Munoz is trying to create the impression that she did. Extremely dishonest, it makes me wonder who Munoz is and what his game is.

[True Blue American]

15. He said they both were friends and checked before he wrote.

[KayF]

18. and he's saying she's lying for a reason that makes no sense

I don't know who's his friend or who he checked with, but his reason for saying she's lying makes no sense. As many people have noted (but not "The Hill&quot , she never said they were alone, and no one thought they were.

[True Blue American]

20. Well, as an

Older woman who has seen a lot, I think Flores is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and the media is helping her.

I usually follow my instincts and they are almost always right.

[KayF]

22. well Munoz doesn't think that's enough

he doesn't want people to be judging whether it's important, he wants people to think she's lying.

[Tom Rinaldo]

36. He's friends with both. Munoz said Biden officiated at his wedding n/t

[Autumn]

19. Muddying the waters? Kind of strange that he goes out of his way to deny something that

Flores never claimed happened .

“Yet at no time were these two leaders alone together and I, and the organization I cofounded and those in attendance, do not believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place,” he added.

[KayF]

21. it makes people think she claimed they were alone

my own picture of what happened was a public event with many people around, but after reading this, it made me think I misunderstood. Like you said, Munoz seems to be deliberately causing confusion.

And "The Hill" is pretty much the perfect place to do this, since he knows they won't point out the contradiction. They're even worse than Politico in this way.

[Kahuna7]

25. Since they weren't alone, you'd think there would be witnesses. nt

[Autumn]

27. Since he feels the need to point it out is this supposed to be a he said, she said thing?

Is anyone saying that it didn't happen?

[Kahuna7]

23. Nope. Never alone. So you would think others would have observed

what she alleges. So far....nada.

[Autumn]

34. Why would they have ever been alone? He did go and campaign for her and that when she

says it happened. I'm not sure how anyone seeing their interaction on a stage would be able to observe and know her feelings at the moment she is talking about. Yet that seems to be your defense, no one observed how she felt?

[R B Garr]

43. No one saw what she claims happened.

Not even her friend, who she just brought this up to a few weeks ago.

[Autumn]

56. Do you have links to people saying they were there ,and never saw Joe touch her and kiss her head

when he came out on stage? We all know Joe, he's a huggy, touchy guy. If you've seen him on the campaign trail you know that's what he does. If he's campaigning for you when he walks out on the stage, that's what he's going to do.

[R B Garr]

60. Read the OP. It's in the OP. No one saw what she describes.

Not even her friend.

It’s obvious from her other statements since it was reported she’s a Sanders supporter that she wanted to pile-on Biden about this.

[Autumn]

63. Munoz said Biden and Flores were never alone together. No one would ever be dumb enough

to claim that, she certainly didn't so as far as I'm concerned that disqualifies his opinion. If he misrepresents and clouds the issue with his "they were never alone", a claim no one has ever made what else is he misrepresenting? Look, I get that it was uncomfortable for her and I believe her account of the event, I don't like people that I don't have a close friendship with touching me and when they do it's very uncomfortable. I also believe Biden meant nothing wrong, he was doing what he has always done. That's his nature. I'm not going to tear down either for this.

[calimary]

24. I'm watching Lucy Flores on CNN as I write this.

“He kissed the top of my head.”

Oh for Fuck’s Sake...

Gee, is she working with the woman who helped ruin Al Franken claiming “he touched my waist” during one of a hundred quick selfies with an onslaught of fans at a county fair???

“He kissed the top of my head”???????

This strikes me as one of those rare cases where the very serious and legitimate #metoo movement is being cheapened and exploited and compromised by #hey-everybody-look-at-ME-too.

“He kissed the top of my head”??????????????

Hey, I question this as somebody who had to fight off the actual groping hands of a predatory state senator with a horn-dog reputation who had me bent backwards over a teletype machine in an empty newsroom during a lunch break, after we’d finished an interview and I was trying to be polite by escorting him through a confusing series of hallways toward the station’s parking lot.

Seems to me there are WAAAAAY more serious groping, intrusive, and aggressive sexual assault cases about which to make a credible complaint! I notice she’s identified as a “former state assemblywoman/former Lt. Governor candidate” btw. Is “he kissed the top of my head” (OR “he touched my waist” for that matter) REALLY on a par with “grab ‘em by the pussy”, for example? Or a grab for the spotlight for one’s own 15-minutes of fame, or to try to stay relevant after losing an election?

I’m sorry. From my personal perspective, having interviewed real-life rape victims who survived frightening confrontations, physical attacks, and threats to life and limb with which they’ll be struggling for the rest of their days, this “he kissed the top of my head” claim just doesn’t measure up.

[True Blue American]

37. You are not alone

In thinking this is hurting the very real clams of sexual harrassment I will not listen to anything she says. And it has nothing to do with Bernie.

When she lied about not endorsing anyone when it is the public view that she is on the Bernie board that is when I tuned her out.

[mountain grammy]

42. This real life victim completely agrees.

[pazzyanne]

44. Add me to the list of sceptics for this allegation.

Also a sexual assault victim here.

[GemDigger]

74. Add me to your list.

A kiss on the head instead of left for dead? Dear Lord I would have loved to have had nothing more than a kiss on the head.

[George II]

73. This is what she said in the article:

"He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head."

Today it's the top of her head. Stick around, in a few days it may be her cheek, then her lips!

[Cha]

110. And, still the organizer, Henry Munoz, cannot

and evidence.

“I have thoroughly reviewed photographic documentation from the event, and spoken to nearly every principle in attendance, as well as staff associated with the event. To the best of our recollection, at no time were Lucy Flores and Vice President Biden alone,” Henry Munoz, co-founder of Latino Victory Project, said in a statement.

“Lucy is my good friend and a good friend to Latino Victory, which has strongly supported her political career. I also firmly believe that women need to be supported and heard and that there is a reckoning in our culture that is long overdue. Vice President Biden is also my close friend, to the degree that he presided over my own marriage. These are both individuals that I love and respect,” he said.

“Yet at no time were these two leaders alone together and I, and the organization I cofounded and those in attendance, do not believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place,” he added.

[calimary]

117. AND why does she bring this up NOW?

On what may be the eve of a Biden announcement, when she’s a well-documented Bernie supporter (and, apparently, Bernie insider, as I’ve read).

And not only that but she then eagerly adds that she doesn’t see this as any sort of sexual assault.

So why is she bringing this up? And bringing this up at THIS particular time?

I tell ya, something smells pretty doggone fishy...

[Cha]

118. Lots of people are asking, calimary..

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

94. As a victim of violent sexual attack, I despise Lucy Flores.

She does as you say cheapen the me too movement.

[pnwmom]

99. Why? I think we're all better off if men learn the lesson that women's bodies

don't belong to them to handle without permission, no matter how wealthy or powerful the man might be.

[Demsrule86]

115. 'He touched my neck' muddies the water. She is doing this for politics.

I was assaulted and beaten and her attacks on a decent man make it likely that women won't be believed. women like me. She endangers Me Too. I literally despise her.

[FBaggins]

26. Did she accuse him of rape?

You don’t have to be alone together to creep a woman out... nor would others in the room necessarily notice what would otherwise be acceptable behavior between consenting friends.

[pnwmom]

39. Exactly. Who's going to notice Biden standing behind the candidate,

talking to her? Or take a picture of that? The photographers would be waiting to take photos of her on the stage, not off it.

[R B Garr]

45. Seriously? The main event politician, much bigger name than

Lucy Flores, surrounded by Secret Service and medical and political personnel as described and expected at such an event , and no one is going to notice Biden??

Unbelievable.

[pnwmom]

49. No one's going to notice what Biden's doing. They would be behind Biden, who is behind Flores.

After he walks up to her, he is taller and bigger so he is blocking their view of HER.

If his head bends down, so what? If they noticed at all, they might have thought he was speaking to her. Why would they notice or take a picture of that?

[R B Garr]

52. That is pure and utter self-serving projection on your

part. You have no idea where people were standing, and how bizarre that you add the extra insurance for Lucy’s story by describing how you think Biden snuck up on her. It’s frankly bizarre.

[pnwmom]

53. That is what LUCY said. He came up behind her, as she was waiting to step onstage. n/t

[R B Garr]

55. No one saw it. A room full of secret service, medical and

political personnel, her friend—no one saw it.

We know she was trying to generate a pile/on over Biden. We know she’s an Our Revolution supporter.

[pnwmom]

58. Have you ever seen a stage? You aren't in a room when you're standing just off stage.

That's where she said she was.

[R B Garr]

59. No one saw it. They were never alone.

[pnwmom]

61. Why would they notice? It was a brief interaction between two Dems, one of whom

was about to go onstage, and the other standing behind her. Not a big deal to anyone there.

And she wrote about this in correspondence years ago -- it's not some new thing she just came up with.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lucy-flores-joe-biden-cant-recall-kissing-incident-because-hes-so-used-to-behaving-that-way

The Daily Beast was able to view correspondence between Flores and another individual discussing the alleged incident in Nevada years prior to the New York Magazine article. The exchange gives credence to Flores’ claim to the extent that it shows it was an incident she talked about before going public this Friday.

[R B Garr]

62. How could they not notice? LOL, a VP there with Secret

Service, medical and political personnel everywhere, how absurd to think no one saw it. Her friend didn’t see it.

We can tell from her statements she is trying to generate a pile/on over Biden. It’s in a twitter she wrote. edit:lol, and it’s also in the article you linked.

edit: all the Daily Beast article is that they viewed correspondence—from some person Lucy refused to identify, lol, hmmmm.

[pnwmom]

65. Where are all the statements of the people you think were all crowded in the wings

while Lucy was about to go onstage?

You really think service and medical people were all stuffed into that area?

And are you aware that Secret Service people wouldn't make a statement in a case like this?

Also, you misstated the quotes from the Daily Beast. It was New York Magazine that she wouldn't disclose any names to. The Daily Beast said they had seen correspondence between her and an individual, and didn't say whether they knew the name.

[R B Garr]

92. She refused to name anyone. Why would she do that??

That’s what your link says.

Why would there be “statements” from people who never saw what she claims. Shouldn’t it be on her to find people who actually saw something?? LOL, This has really gone round the bend now.

[pnwmom]

95. The Daily Beast article says she showed them correspondence from years ago that confirms

her story.

[R B Garr]

103. The article says she refused to name the individual

she shared info with, but she showed Daily Beast something. How bizarre that she cannot provide a name of a person. Not one single person. Think about it. She wants to put herself in a position of disqualifying a former VP from a presidential run, but she refuses to provide one single name to back up this nothingburger article. Really??

Have you seen the photo of Sanders with his hand on the back of her shoulder? They are very very very close in the picture...

[pnwmom]

104. As a non-supporter of Bernie, I will say that that photo is irrelevant.

She wasn't taken by surprise by Bernie coming up behind her, gripping her shoulders, and planting a kiss on her head -- as she says she was with Biden.

The Bernie photo was a selfie that both of them were engaged in, with his hand on her shoulder.

[R B Garr]

105. There is a photo at the event in question of Flores touching

Biden during a selfie. No photos of Biden behind her. Just her narrative which everyone there didn’t see and she won’t give a name of the person she supposedly wrote about it.

Plus, we don’t know if Sanders snuck up behind her in that photo. He is behind her and is touching her. That is what the picture shows.

[pnwmom]

106. She didn't share the name with the New York reporter. But she showed the correspondence to the

Daily Beast reporter, who said that it added credibility to her story.

The fact that she had a happy photo with Bernie means absolutely nothing regarding her claims about Biden.

[George II]

88. They were lined up at the side of the stage in the order in which they were going to speak....

Unless Biden was the LAST one to speak, there would have been someone behind him seeing it all. Plus the account of the situation is that there was security all over the place. No one but her recalls anything happening?

[pnwmom]

90. Biden is taller than she is. If he was right behind her, as she said,

then how would someone behind him be able to see what he was doing? His body would have blocked hers from view.

Have you seen statements from the security people? My understanding is that Secret Service people would not be talking about the person they're guarding.

[pnwmom]

38. He's taller and bigger and was behind her.

People behind them would have seen his body blocking hers from their view. They wouldn't be able to see exactly what he did to her, and if they saw his head bend down, they wouldn't think anything of it. He could have just been talking to her. How would they know?

[R B Garr]

47. Wow, complete and utter fabrication, really self-serving

bizarreness. You have this whole fantasy of poor Lucy being cornered by some lone man trying to sniff her hair and sneak up behind her . Yet no one saw it. Not even her friend. Those are the facts.

[pnwmom]

50. Not a fantasy. I believe her account of what happened. And she first told this

in correspondence years ago. The Daily Beast saw it and said it backed up her story.

[R B Garr]

54. It's s total fantasy. Your embellishments in particular are

completely self-serving. No one else saw it, including her friend.

We already know the motivations for this, and her angle is to generate a pile/on because Biden is ahead in the polls.

[highplainsdem]

48. There's been no suggestion anywhere that everyone backstage was standing in line behind Biden, so

somehow his body would have blocked everyone's view. Where did you get that idea?

Munoz mentions security and production staff as well as medical staff backstage in this area at that time. You think they'd be lined up neatly behind Biden? With no one at all able to have a front or side view of Biden and Flores?

[highplainsdem]

41. Note that Munoz reviewed all the photos as well as talking to nearly all potential witnesses of the

interaction between Bidend and Flores, and came up with NOTHING to support her story.

Given that Flores claimed Biden put his hands on her shoulders, then moved closer and "inhaled" her hair, then planted a "big slow kiss" on the back of her head...it's very unlikely that NO ONE would have noticed an interaction of this type, given all the people around them, if it had happened the way she described.

I've already said repeatedly that I've been trying to give Flores the benefit of the doubt, and trying not to suggest she simply fabricated the incident as an attack on Biden.

And I'm still trying to give her that much benefit of the doubt.

But now I think that the interaction she seems to be suggesting lasted some time was instead simply Biden responding to her apparent stage fright (she'd suddenly started taking deep breaths as the time for her to go onstage neared, which would suggest either deliberate deep breathing to try to control stage fright or the start of hyperbentilating in a panic attack), and he'd placed his hands on her shoulders in a very standard gesture of reassurance.

I'm beginning to wonder more and more about her description of a "kiss." though.

Obviously it couldn't have been a slow kiss, with all those witnesses around.

At the momeent my best guess is that Biden leaned down to whisper something to her which she didn't hear -- it was probably fairly noisy bacstage at that point -- and she misinterpreted that as him "inhaling" her hair and then kissing the back of her head.

Which, judging by what I've heard this morning, she's now changed to saying he kissed the top of her head. Wording she should have used from the beginning describing the kiss, if it was a kiss. But of course a kiss on the top of the head sounds much more like a reassuring gesture than saying he kissed the back of her head, which would have suggested his lips were closer to her neck, which would have suggested this was more sexual, and creepy.

Anyway, I'm glad that Munoz put out this statement, though I feel sorry for him because Flores put him in this awkward situation. She may have done some damage to Latino politics in Nevada with this.

[LakeArenal]

46. Just my opinion. I think the point of the statement...

Is to point out that the officials at the event have gone over the video and recalulations of those there, and found no basis for her complaint. That in fact he never had any private interaction with Flores at all.

Of course I am biased.

As I said before... Anytime Biden, Obama, Al Franken, Pelosi, RBG or Hillary want to grab me in public at a rally, in front of cameras, at an event of celebration and comraderie, and kiss the hell out of me. It would be the thrill of a lifetime.

[Ilsa]

64. None of this makes sense to me.

He's about to go on stage or he just came off and he decides to grab a little hair in his mouth by kissing the top of someone's head with other people around? (Sounds like something a grandfather would do.)

Did he get so turned on the he rubbed his body against hers In front of people? No?

Smells like a hit job to me. Biden is getting Frankened.

[madville]

66. Flores herself said that her motive to come forward now is political

She said she decided to come forward now because he may be announcing his candidacy soon, so she flat out admitted this is driven by political timing.

I don't doubt she may have felt uncomfortable in a situation, it's possible. I also would say, if anything did indeed happen, that Biden had zero malicious intent.

[FBaggins]

77. So??

That’s usually when a woman comes forward who didn’t do so originally. The man is close to becoming a person of great influence and power and she decides that while she had preferred to not expose herself to the attacks that come so often in these cases (as in this thread), but now she must sacrifice that preference for the good of the country.

And yes (anticipating the obvious whining), that could mean letting him stay VP but being unwilling to stay silent when he seeks the presidency.

[madville]

78. In the end this could help strengthen Biden anyway

Many are going to view this as a politically motivated attack, it's certainly timed to be beneficial to the Sanders campaign since he would automatically inherit frontrunner status. Also, FoxNews and the Trump campaign want to see Biden attacked since he is their most formidable competition in the swing states.

[True Blue American]

83. Compared to what Trump has done?

Please do not tell me he is bringing this up.

NBC has not verified Flores allegations.

[BlueFlorida]

67. We want to know

When Sirota knew that such an allegation existed and what his advice was about the method and timing of this release. Also, did Sirota talk to any higher ups in the campaign about this strategy? People would want to know.

I am sure consigliere Sirota was involved somehow. When the heat is turned up, it will all come out.

[Gothmog]

71. Thanks for posting this

[redstateblues]

79. On Tapper's show she said she is not affiliated with any campaign. Is that true?

There was a post on DU that said she is on the BS campaign.

[LongtimeAZDem]

82. She was on the Board of Directors of "Our Revolution"; here is their website:

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https://ourrevolution.com/

Here is their "Bernie's Running" page:

https://go.ourrevolution.com/page/s/join-the-volunteer-army-ready-for-bernie-in-2020/?source=ws190219

You decide.


Edited to add: I have learned that Flores left the board of Our Revolution in May 2018, and have edited my subject line. It's unlikely she's done any kind of turnaround on Sanders, though.

[George II]

84. The list of board members:

Full board list below:

Nina Turner - Fmr. Ohio State Senator
Deborah Parker - Native American Leader
Ben Jealous - Civil Rights Leader
Jim Hightower - Political Leader, National Radio Commentator & Writer
Jim Zogby - Arab American Human Rights Leader
Huck Gutman - Former Chief of Staff for Senator Bernie Sanders
Jane Kleeb - Environmental Activist
Lucy Flores - Fmr. Nevada Assemblywoman
Larry Cohen - Labor
Catalina Velasquez - Immigration, Reproductive Justice and Trans Queer Liberation Activist
Shailene Woodley - Actress and Environmental Activist

https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-announces-formation-of-board/

[LongtimeAZDem]

89. I have learned Flores left Our Revolution in May, so I will retract my statement

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[George II]

85. She was a surrogate for him in 2016, and one of the first to be appointed to the Board of....

...Our Revolution.

She may not have come out formally for any candidate, but.....

This is from 2016:

[pnwmom]

96. She left Our Revolution in May 2018 and isn't endorsing anyone for 2020 yet.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128745690

[pnwmom]

100. That is true. She left Our Revolution in May 2018 and has made no endorsement for 2020.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128745690

[MadDAsHell]

91. Boys stick together apparently. nt

[RandySF]

101. I don't know if that is her assertion. but it's unlikley they would be alone

I did a Gore event for Michigan Dems back in 1994, and they whisked the Veep in and whisked him out

[Cha]

111. Henry Munoz is only saying that because he's

gone over everything and he doesn't ".. believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place.. "

“I have thoroughly reviewed photographic documentation from the event, and spoken to nearly every principle in attendance, as well as staff associated with the event. To the best of our recollection, at no time were Lucy Flores and Vice President Biden alone,” Henry Munoz, co-founder of Latino Victory Project, said in a statement.

“Lucy is my good friend and a good friend to Latino Victory, which has strongly supported her political career. I also firmly believe that women need to be supported and heard and that there is a reckoning in our culture that is long overdue. Vice President Biden is also my close friend, to the degree that he presided over my own marriage. These are both individuals that I love and respect,” he said.

“Yet at no time were these two leaders alone together and I, and the organization I cofounded and those in attendance, do not believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place,” he added.

[Gothmog]

120. I trust this reporting

Link to tweet