Democratic Primaries
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I find this despicable. ME TO being used as a political weapon againt a decent man. Her story is ridiculous.
If Biden truly supports women and gender equality he would step aside and support one of the many talented and qualified women running, she added. The same goes for the other men who have thrown their hat in the ring. Women are 52 percent of the population. We are not a minority, we are the majority. It is time we are represented as such. After 45 male presidents it is time we elect a woman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Just what this party needs about now.
N.O.T.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I never thought I would live to see days like these.
Unreal, and sickening.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Continuing to try and blame Senator Gillibrand for what happened to Franken is a crock, a big steaming pile.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I agree, but for different reasons.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Senator Gillibrand. Blaming her for it is just one big load.
Dozens of Senators called for his resignation, if Senator Gillibrand hadn't asked for it, he'd still be gone. When there were 1, 2, maybe 3 accusers, he might have been able to make it through that. Once there were 5, 6 and then 8 accusers, I knew he was toast. It was just a matter of time. And the calls for his resignation didn't happen until then. To blame Gillibrand for all that is just, well, ludicrous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I'll never forgive her for what she did and what she started. If not for her, others would have been more patient and more willing to allow him to "have his day in court" (so to speak). It's her fault, she's to blame, and nothing that anyone else says will convince me otherwise.
I'll never forget. I'll never forgive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Vote for her. Self aggrandizing. She loved the Clintons when they backed her,then came out against them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)her past history shows. Funny thing about that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)Thanks!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)knowing that while she served in congress she was known as a 'Blue Dog', I'm also very familiar with how conservative the 20th district that she was elected to represent tends to be since I grew up, lived there for most of my life and still have family there.
Once she was appointed as a senator however her stances/voting record moved decidedly left and she has pretty much stayed that way since per these sites:
https://ballotpedia.org/Kirsten_Gillibrand#Lifetime_voting_record
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kirsten_gillibrand/412223
https://votesmart.org/candidate/political-courage-test/65147/kirsten-gillibrand/#.XKM71N8pBTs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Kirsten_Gillibrand
You can compare her voting record to other senators on Propublica:
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/G000555-kirsten-e-gillibrand/compare-votes/115
Just to give a few examples: She voted with Bernie 96% of the time; Warren 97%; Harris 95%.
If you do a search on their names you can see where they differ.
Because of her voting record since becoming a senator, a couple of years ago I would have gladly backed her run to become our parties nominee, and I'll of course do so if she's nominated, but her judging & jumping on the Al Franken resignation train without looking more into the situation first left a bad taste in my mouth so I'm very much undecided now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)reelected. Biden has just as much right to run for the Presidency as anyone else. He is not my first choice, but he would make a good President.
It doesn't change my vote in the general election, but I know some who will sit out if this thinking becomes mainstream in the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)The pic is on Twitter and making the rounds..........
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)She is not credible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)
there's the rub... "step aside"
because he's first in the polls... this reminds me of Al Franken. Biden should be looked re: issues like the Anita Hill hearings ... but, this is garbage. He's not a sexual predator.. he's been overly affectionate and is capable of understanding and making changes in this behavior. This should not be something to make him "step aside."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)all those people who demanded his resignation are now running for president. Funny that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)
and I do remember... but I'm not looking for perfection. I would have to wait way to long... and I would never like anyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Can you imagine the woman who wins without males represented in the field? It's really a degrading comment toward women.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I reread it to make sure I'd read it correctly even. It's a blatantly divisive statement and it does a serious disservice to all our amazing women running. Dividing us on gender lines looks like a tactic to try and get Democrats to lose. Even if that's not her intent, that's all that would come out of that foolish argument.
As to her other claims, I'll wait and see what the other people who were there have to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)We need everybody. I'm an black senior citizen. I am tired of seeing white men dissed as if we can win without them. Keep it up and eventually they will get the message.
I voted for Obama and Hillary because I had faith in their characters and that they cared about all Americans and would do a job for us all. I support Biden because I believe he is in the best position to win and bring the country and our alliances back together. I want a positive influence for our kids.
As I said, I'm a senior and I know where the Democratic party stands on the issues. I'm not worried about that. I want to win. I happen to think many of the candidates are running too far to the left. Take bringing up reparations as a litmus test. Get away from me with that nonsense. It will never fly so why bring it up? That's electoral malpractice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)Either they're so stupid that they believe it will work, or they're outright working for the GOP. People like that should be ignored.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)all day. Today Heather McGhee was on with Nicole Wallace and stated that Biden never touched men. Really? I promptly tweeted two pictures to her of Biden embracing two young black men. Since that time, I've collected another two pics of Biden touching men.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)The fuckers are going to destroy his candidacy and get someone nominated who will lose. I wish these idiots weren't given platforms to engage in this shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)McGhee did mention her faves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. That's not who we are as a block and it's always going to be divisive and destructive. As you said, we're about substance on the core values the majority of us share.
There's no perfect candidate, we all know that. Just as we know there's no perfect person or elected politician. I understand idealizing and wanting your idea of perfection, but this isn't the cycle for me to indulge in my own personal idealistic fantasies. I'm basically to a point where my ideals mean much, much less to me than saving the country from 4 more years of destruction.
I'm in it to win it with who ever wins the nomination this cycle. I've been donating to a handful of my top picks and when my primary comes I'll be voting for the candidate left I believe has the best chance of beating Trump. That's where I am for 2020. Winning means everything this cycle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Feeling disrespected to some is an outrage, which I can see, but for those who've suffered sexual assault and abuse at the hands of a true predator the feelings are deeply different and more terrifying. Watching some people try and conflate the two sometimes causes me to react emotionally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)And not because I like Biden although I do. He is a kind gentle man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I understand the points you're making and why they matter. People who don't know, never truly will.
I'm deeply sorry someone you respect as a gentle person is currently being raked through the coals and equated, by some, as the exact opposite. Just remember while all this impacts our real lives, it's not necessarily reminiscent of what our realities are. This is political fodder at this moment. That's all that's taking place here. They're playing on our emotions for better or worse.
Reminding myself of this helps to try and keep me separated and focused. It's not fool proof, but it's a starting point. I hope it helps a tiny bit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Least of all those women who have genuine grievances of sexual harassment and assault. Neither this complaint nor Flores' accusation fall into a serious category and only undermine the whole issue of giving voice to women and their stories. As a woman, this makes me angry and disgusted with the women involved, not Joe Biden.
This whole mode of political attack needs to stop! We have an election to win in 2020 because Trump and his fascist enablers are an existential threat.
To the country. To everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)What about the other male candidates? Are they going to be "disqualified" as well by vague accusations of some non-sexual but uncomfortable encounter at some point, which will be tacked to the hide of the #metoo movement and in an effort to make the point that only a woman should be nominated?
Even ostensibly good goals can be damaging in the hands of people who have decided their agenda must be furthered at all costs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)damn straight. now lets act like it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
atreides1
(16,072 posts)Women are 52% of the population and how many of those women are Republicans???
Women are just as competitive as men, and women who vote Republican are just as stupid as the men who vote Republican!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Let's be real: it's non-white women who consistently vote Democratic. If it was left to white women, we'd have a Republican president every time. Trump won white women with 54% of the vote in 2016.
How many non-white women are running for president? One. By her logic, we should support her since that would truly advance equality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)As much as there are women whop do deserve the office (Liz Warren being my clear pick, as she was VOCAL and ACTIVE before many), the last thing we want is to make this a gender test, unless you like the idea of a Palin or Haley or Joni Ernst or any number of truly horrid conservative administrations where the leader would indeed be every bit as much of a woman as you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Hillary won against a man who never stepped aside.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Agreed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Amy Lappos, 43, says Biden grabbed her by the head and rubbed noses with her during a 2009 political fundraiser in Greenwich.
It wasnt sexual, but he did grab me by the head, Amy Lappos told The Hartford Courant on Monday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Yes I do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,591 posts)I don't want a litmus test. Let the voters decide who our next candidate should be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)I told a fundraiser that I died. I had 300 calls last cycle and it shaping up to the same bullshit. I was a major contributor in 3 election cycles, not any more. People like her have axes to grind real or imagined. Her explanation confirms that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Perhaps that is an issue for some.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)I'll see that and raise you a concussion and a fractured wrist plus assorted bruises, cuts and swelling. These women insult real victims like me and yes that is what happened. I despise them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,564 posts)For what it's worth, I get how you're feeling.
I'm not saying feeling disrespected isn't a problem, I fully realize it is. It's just one that has layers and nuances not the same as actual coercion, violence and rape. There are very distinct differences here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,138 posts)someone believes our candidate "must" be a woman, than don't vote for any of the male candidates in the primaries.
Biden is going to run. If some folks don't like that then don't vote for him,
That is the bottom line
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,138 posts)the Democratic nominee is chosen based on gender, or based on where they stand on the issues
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)We want one who really wins over the men running against her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Every individual should support the candidate of his or her choice. Tearing down other candidates is not how that is done, though.
Boost your favorite. That's how you do it.
I'll be watching to see which candidate gets the Democratic nomination next summer. That's the person I'll be voting for, whoever it is. If a man is the nominee, then I'll vote for that man. If a woman gets the nomination, she'll get my vote.
Champion your favorite candidate, instead of trying to kick another candidate out of the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden