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Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 03:20 PM Apr 2019

Mayor Pete gives me Jimmy Carter vibes

Like Carter he started off as a virtual unknown but is slowly building a following by tapping into three categories: morality, pragmatism and possibilities.

- morality: goes without saying with who occupies the white house.
- pragmatism: he's not selling dream he knows he cannot deliver. There are problems that predate Trump but have been excabated by Trump. Progress in some areas might be incremental but it will get better if we work to it.
- possibilities: he took over as mayor of a really downtrotten area and revitalised it with new ideas, creativity and a desire for different solutions to lift people up and bring people together.

I really think he has potential, if not next year than the future.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Mayor Pete gives me Jimmy Carter vibes (Original Post) Otto Lidenbrock Apr 2019 OP
And the Washington establishment snowybirdie Apr 2019 #1
Yep. His own party ruined his presidency. nt Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #2
I think I understand your concern. Will think on it. (nt) IndyOp Apr 2019 #3
These are different times. marylandblue Apr 2019 #4
I never heard that about the Democratic Washington "establishment." ehrnst Apr 2019 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #6
 

snowybirdie

(5,222 posts)
1. And the Washington establishment
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 03:45 PM
Apr 2019

never accepted him and ruined any programs he promoted. Jimmy Carter was not the beloved ex-president he is today. In today's raucous politics, I fear they would do the same to Mayor Pete.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
2. Yep. His own party ruined his presidency. nt
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 03:47 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IndyOp

(15,512 posts)
3. I think I understand your concern. Will think on it. (nt)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:27 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. These are different times.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:55 PM
Apr 2019

See "The Politics that Presidents Make" by Steven Skowornek. Lots of summary materials online.

The Democratic coalition was falling apart when Carter got there. Keynesian economics was helpless against the economic problems of the 1970s. The aftermath of the Vietnam War and Nixon made people distrustful of government solutions. Carter tried to deal with these problems and more by adjusting Democratic orthodoxy established by FDR. It didn't work, it split the Democrats, turned people off to Carter, and made them ripe for new conservative ideas represented by Reagan.

Now we are sick of Reaganism. We want government solutions for healthcare and other things now. Trump's trying to save Reaganism but all he did was offer an unpopular tax cut and blamed immigrants for economic problems.

If a Democrat wins the election, he or she has an opportunity to bring in a new progressive coalition and reshape the country. I like Buttigieg in part because he is consciously thinking along these lines. But it doesn't to be him. I do encourage you to explore the Skowronek's ideas and think about who best points in the direction you want to see the country go, rather than worry about whether someone is too much like Carter. Carter may have just been a great man who came in at the wrong time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
5. I never heard that about the Democratic Washington "establishment."
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 07:05 PM
Apr 2019

Do you have any sources on that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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