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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:30 AM Feb 2020

Could Bernie re-label himself without seeming dishonest?

Obviously the biggest concern about Bernie for people here is his Democratic Socialist label. He's not actually a socialist if you look at his policies. He supports Social Democracy like Norway and Denmark. But none the less, people cling to labels more than policies and actions.

Could Bernie potentially relabel himself as someone in favor of heavily regulated capitalism with a strong social safety net like the Nordic model, or would people think he's being disingenuous?

I wonder which would hurt him more - standing by the label, or modifying it.

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jalan48

(13,859 posts)
1. I think his pointing out the corporate socialism in this country is very effective. American's get
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:36 AM
Feb 2020

that the system is rigged toward the rich and powerful.

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Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
2. I hope not!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:38 AM
Feb 2020

I think it's about time the billionaires in this country had a little "stress" in their lives.

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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
3. Nope, Bernie is who he is.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

He would never do that.

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brush

(53,765 posts)
4. Too late for that with all his just plain "socialist" baggage the repugs can't wait to release.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:48 AM
Feb 2020
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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
5. +1,000,000. Sanders has a very large socialist albatross around his neck, and it will sink him.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:50 AM
Feb 2020
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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. Bloomberg will be labeled a socialist
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:42 AM
Feb 2020

It's not the 50's anymore.

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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
13. No one will believe that label fits Bloomberg or any other Democratic candidate except for Sanders.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:49 AM
Feb 2020

Sanders wrapped himself up in that label.

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Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
6. No, because it's not just the label, he's got classic socialist positions to go with it
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:22 AM
Feb 2020

Including his enthusiastic support of authoritarian regimes like Castro and the Sandinistas.

He's a geniune socialist and there ain't no way Republicans will allow him to disown that moniker.

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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
7. He's not a genuine socialist.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:28 AM
Feb 2020

He says he supports the Nordic model which is not Socialist.

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Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
12. Progressives nowadays seem fuzzy on exactly what "socialism" is
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:46 AM
Feb 2020

When it suits them, they like to claim that fire departments and the VA are "socialist". They also like to claim that the Nordic countries are proof that socialism can work.

But regardless of whether Bernie is a true socialist in the sense that he wants to abolish private ownership of the means of production, he's definitely a "socialist" in the sense that in the past he actively supported revolutionary socialist regimes, railed against capitalism, and never met an idea for a massive redistributive government program he didn't like. So really, let's not split hairs. Ain't no way he could walk away from the socialist label.

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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
14. He belonged to the Young People's Socialist League in college. He was a presidential elector
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:05 AM
Feb 2020

for the Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s. He's repeatedly called himself a socialist, and he's spent very little time talking about the Nordic model.

As far as I know, he never tried to suggest he's an FDR Democrat, either, till be gave that speech defending democratic socialism last year.

He's trying to rebrand himself.

But there's entirely too much out there from before the rebranding for it to be successful.

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
8. He doesnt need to
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:31 AM
Feb 2020

He has support from almost every single demographic of Democratic and independent voters either because of, or in spite of, his 'label'.

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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
9. True, I just hope it holds up in swing states
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:35 AM
Feb 2020

in a General election. Winning the primary is one thing. The General is much harder with that label.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
11. It's about time someone stops running scared the first time they bring up socialism
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:43 AM
Feb 2020

When we stop flinching, it will lose it's effectiveness and they will have to find another scare word.

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
17. The voters in Nevada didn't flinch
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:25 AM
Feb 2020
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Eko

(7,281 posts)
15. What if he wins the presidency
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:23 AM
Feb 2020

and then runs for a second term as an independent? Hows that for a re-label?

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David__77

(23,370 posts)
16. I hope he doesn't.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:23 AM
Feb 2020

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