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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:31 PM Feb 2020

At this point, it is apparent that the Democratic nominee will be either Sanders or Biden.

Short of some totally unforeseen event---like, God forbid, a health event or a plane crash---none of the other candidates have a realistic chance to win. Even if we wind up with a brokered convention, it is unlikely that the delegates would select a third or fourth place finisher over one or the other of the top two.

It is also apparent that, if all the current candidates remain in the race, Sanders will be our nominee, quite possibly as the result of arriving at our convention with a plurality of delegates. Even if one adds the Warren and Sanders votes together (though I don't consider the two equivalents), the "liberal" votes have never equaled those cast for the "moderates". Sanders would, thus, be a nominee selected by a minority of Democrats.

If, however, the "no real chance" candidates were to withdraw or suspend their campaigns, this would permit the consolidation of the majority behind Biden and an outright primary victory.

Why would candidates who have worked so hard for the nomination step aside? Why would their genuinely enthusiastic supporters transfer their enthusiastic support to Biden? Biden, selected by a majority of Democrats, will DEFEAT TRUMP and will have "coattails" long enough to elect a Democratic House and Senate.

Sanders, if nominated, would get my vote, but would lose---the presidency, the Senate and possibly the House.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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At this point, it is apparent that the Democratic nominee will be either Sanders or Biden. (Original Post) Atticus Feb 2020 OP
Am feeling the Burn....the Biden Burn! n/t DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #1
It's been obvious since the first NV results came in that this is a 2-person race. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #2
It's time for Bernie to release his medical records. nt zackymilly Feb 2020 #3
I think this was the signal they were waiting for. ucrdem Feb 2020 #4
Bloomberg hasn't been on the ballot yet Happyhippychick Feb 2020 #5
Steyer, Klobuchar, and Warren should drop out yesterday. eom tarheelsunc Feb 2020 #6
2,376 Delegates out of 4,750 Sparkly Feb 2020 #7
None of the other candidates have sufficient support among POC, youth, etc. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #8
Who knows? Sparkly Feb 2020 #9
It's pretty clear squirecam Feb 2020 #10
If we didn't think in those terms Sparkly Feb 2020 #11
The nominee squirecam Feb 2020 #12
That is something. Sparkly Feb 2020 #14
If we were letting the first states decide, Buttigieg would be a frontrunner. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #13
"Let's separate the Primary from the General." Sparkly Feb 2020 #16
Except Sanders polls better head to head with all the candidates Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #15
Which points to the problem. Sparkly Feb 2020 #17
Biden does better in the swing states we need to win in November. squirecam Feb 2020 #18
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. Am feeling the Burn....the Biden Burn! n/t
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:33 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
2. It's been obvious since the first NV results came in that this is a 2-person race.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:35 PM
Feb 2020

As I posted when we got the entrance poll data from Nevada, if that data is even remotely reflective of the outcome, this is clearly a 2-person race.

The other candidates simply don't have enough support, particularly among persons of color, youth, etc.

That said, a contested convention could, in fact, produce a nominee who is neither Sanders nor Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
3. It's time for Bernie to release his medical records. nt
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. I think this was the signal they were waiting for.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:36 PM
Feb 2020

Clyburn and McCauliffe are now on board and talking about retooling for November, with other Obama fundraisers publicly throwing in for Joe. So fasten your seat belts cuz here we go!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
5. Bloomberg hasn't been on the ballot yet
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:47 PM
Feb 2020

So I think your projection is premature

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
6. Steyer, Klobuchar, and Warren should drop out yesterday. eom
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,147 posts)
7. 2,376 Delegates out of 4,750
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020

It is still really early.

However, when voters leap to conclusions after a few states, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I understand the problem of so many non-Bernies splitting the not-Bernie vote, but that doesn't mean it has to be Biden. It could be a WOMAN. Warren or Klobuchar.

I don't want to give up hope.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. None of the other candidates have sufficient support among POC, youth, etc.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:04 PM
Feb 2020

It's evident from the first 4 contests (and, really, from the first 3 contests) and from the abundance of polling that Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren, Steyer and others lack the necessary support to be viable.

After Super Tuesday, we'll see numerous candidates leave the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,147 posts)
9. Who knows?
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:07 PM
Feb 2020

Support is fluid. Why do we fossilize everything the first few states decide?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
10. It's pretty clear
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:09 PM
Feb 2020

Biden has the AA vote.

It’s Sanders vs Biden. It’s time to face reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,147 posts)
11. If we didn't think in those terms
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020

what might it be?

If we didn't throw in the towel every time, and decide the writing on the wall after South Carolina was a done-deal binary choice between two men (with only one exception in history), we might have a real measure of Democratic choice. Instead, voters are guessing about what other voters are guessing. Women are the first to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
12. The nominee
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:22 PM
Feb 2020

Will pick a woman to be VP. It’s not what I wanted. But that victory would still be historic nonetheless.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,147 posts)
14. That is something.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:34 PM
Feb 2020

At the risk of "identity politics," I hope she is a completely unhip boring old white woman who reminds sexists of all stripes of the librarian or third grade teacher or parental figure or whatever the heck woman in authority they have such an issue with, so they can finally just get over it once and for all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. If we were letting the first states decide, Buttigieg would be a frontrunner.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:25 PM
Feb 2020

But he isn't and never was. Buttigieg, like Klobuchar, put most all their resources into doing well in IA and NH, as that's what underdogs do. And it worked out fairly well for him, while Klobuchar was given a lifeline thanks to the chaos in IA (she finished 5th in a state that borders her own but that got little coverage). However, when you have near-zero support nationally among POC, you will *not* be the Democratic Party's nominee for president. Warren is only in slightly better shape and really has no shot either. Steyer, like Yang and Gabbard, also never stood a chance.

Remember, in addition to these first several contests, we have a lot of polling (nationally and in various states). Contrary to what some believe, that polling becomes very telling as we get closer and closer to people actually voting.

All that said, we could end up with a nominee that isn't Biden or Sanders due to the relatively high likelihood of a contested convention (relative, that is, to most years when the odds are practically zilch). I wouldn't bet on that, but it is possible. I think, though, it would be tough to justify having the "unity candidate" be someone who did really poorly in the primary. "Let's nominate someone who almost nobody voted for" would be a really tough sell.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sparkly

(24,147 posts)
16. "Let's separate the Primary from the General."
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:51 PM
Feb 2020

There seems to be confusion about "winners" in the Primary being strong contenders against Trump. They are NOT necessarily that at all. On the contrary, a candidate like Sanders could lose to Trump while also costing us the House and letting them keep the Senate.

A candidate like Klobuchar -- and I've seen this in past races -- has the greatest difficulty in the primary. If she could get through the Democrats' trials, she would sway Republicans and moderates in the general, throughout the country. This is a woman who has never lost a race against a Republican, no matter how 'red' the voters -- she persuades them.

Or Elizabeth Warren -- all the progressive zeal of Sanders, but in a positive, cheerful, can-do attitude. Every woman I know except two (seriously!) are for Warren!! She can get out the vote among women the way candidates did in 2018, but then again Amy could do that in local areas where red and purple districts flipped.

I think we need to keep our eyes on THESE prizes -- the majority of this country is WOMEN. It's our Centennial. This should be our year and we still have MEN leading the polls, for absolutely NO reason but one.

I'm sorry, but I'm old enough to be infuriated, and tired of it, by now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sparkly

(24,147 posts)
17. Which points to the problem.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:52 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
18. Biden does better in the swing states we need to win in November.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 10:53 PM
Feb 2020

Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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