good argument for Warren and Klobucher to stay in!!!

[handmade34]

There is no rush to push Amy Klobuchar or Elizabeth Warren out of the race — yet — and here’s why: Joe Biden's campaign needs them in the race on Tuesday.

Team Biden believes having Klobuchar in the race through Super Tuesday is incredibly helpful to them.
Why? It blocks Bernie Sanders in the Minnesota primary on Tuesday.

“If Amy gets out, that gives Minnesota to Bernie,” a top Democrat close to the Biden campaign tells CNN.
Four years ago, Sanders crushed Hillary Clinton in Minnesota, winning 62% to 38% in the state’s caucuses. He has a strong appeal to Minnesota voters. But this year, it’s a primary contest which Klobuchar advisers believe she is poised to win or be incredibly competitive with Sanders.

A similar argument is true for Warren in Massachusetts. The Biden campaign wants Warren to be in the race through Super Tuesday, when Massachusetts voters weigh in.


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/south-carolina-primary-results-2020/h_24facc4a68adde0b2dc6be99b9671604

[squirecam]

1. Yes

I’ve been saying this all along. Biden needs Amy to win Minnesota.

Not just now. But in November.

Joe/Amy 2020

[LuvNewcastle]

12. I agree.

She would be the best choice for VP.

[StevieM]

2. It is worth noting that there is a big difference between a primary and a caucus.

Minnesota has switched from a caucus to a primary and that will affect Bernie's ability to do as well in 2020 as he did in 2016.

[thesquanderer]

5. Still, the polls I saw showed Sanders and Klobuchar tied for first in Minnesota n/t

[Quixote1818]

3. But Klobucher may cost Biden more delegates in all the other states

than what one win in Minnesota will take away from Sanders. Have they completely crunched the numbers on that?

[bearsfootball516]

4. I think she's not popular nationwide enough to really pull that many voters from him.

[thesquanderer]

6. Is there really much risk of her hitting 15% in any states besides Minnesota?

I guess she could cost Biden votes even where she doesn't hit 15%, but I doubt enough to have much of an impact on his delegate count, if any.

[squirecam]

10. Right

And her votes could still go to Warren or Pete or Bloomberg too.

Biden’s problem isn’t Amy. It’s Bloomberg.

[Garrett78]

7. Wait, I thought Biden was the one hurt by there being so many candidates. LOL

In reality, of course, it's always been foolish to suggest that all (or close to all) of the non-Sanders vote will go to Biden if it becomes a 1-on-1 contest. Many on DU subscribe to that notion, but there's a big bright world outside of DU where polling strongly suggests the "Sanders/Non-Sanders" binary is a fiction.

[squirecam]

13. We might find out soon enough

Nt

[Garrett78]

14. Actually, we already know the "Sanders/non-Sanders" binary is a fiction.

No matter how many times DUers say otherwise (the data simply doesn't support the belief). DU is not representative of the electorate at large (no more than any one of the states that's voted so far is, by itself, reflective of the electorate at large). Not even close. Inside the DU bubble, it's unfathomable that Sanders could be the 2nd choice for a "moderate." But, again, there's a big, bright (and complex) world outside of DU.

The following points to one of many examples of truth that runs completely counter to the dominant narrative inside the DU bubble: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-moderate-middle-is-a-myth/.

As the political scientists Donald Kinder and Nathan Kalmoe put it, after looking at five decades of public opinion research, “the moderate category seems less an ideological destination than a refuge for the innocent and the confused.” Similarly, political scientist David Broockman has also written about the meaninglessness of the “moderate” label, particularly as a predictor of centrism.

The takeaway is simple: As they must with independents, any pundit who talks about “moderates” as a key voting bloc begs that second follow-up question: Which moderates?

The upshot of all this is that if you’re a campaign trying to appeal to independents, moderates or undecided voters — or a concerned citizen trying to make sense of these groups in the context of an election — policy and ideology aren’t good frames of reference. There just isn’t much in terms of policy or ideology that unites these groups.

Anybody who claims to have the winning formula for winning moderate, independent or undecided voters is making things up. Perhaps more centrist policies will appeal to some voters in each of these categories — but so will more extreme policies....And come election day, these potential swing voters may not ultimately care all that much about policy. They don’t tend to identify themselves based on ideology, and they don’t follow politics all that closely.

[Bettie]

8. Nice. The two women in the race

are tools to be used by the men and then they should leave the race when the men tell them to.

[squirecam]

11. I wish it would be Warren vs Amy.

But it isn’t.

And, as HRC said in 08, it isn’t about her.

Biden can win in November in the swing states we need to beat the Orange Menace.

[Music Man]

9. Interesting thought.

As the only women left in the campaign, I think they should have the dignity of at least getting through the first major primary day and their home states. Once again, nearly 250 years into the life of our country, the chief executive will belong to one sex, and it will be a shame to lose their representation so quickly.

I'm sure Biden's people are on the phone with all of the other campaigns talking this over.

[Gothmog]

15. Warren calling Bernie Sanders a massive failure. Fails to get things passed

Link to tweet

[squirecam]

17. Maybe Bernie going to MA pissed her off.

Nt

[Celerity]

16. After ST, they need to drop out, as does Pete, all three need to endorse Biden, especially Warren

Bloomberg is the last wild card who can fuck this up and end up nominating Bernie. He needs to drop out too and spend on Biden.

Time to unite the Party and perma-block Bernie from destroying our Party's chances in the POTUS, House,and Senate. Biden needs to get over 1990 so we avoid a 2nd ballot which will help divided us more.

[squirecam]

18. Bloomberg has a large ego.

Nt

[Celerity]

19. If he does poorly on ST but still stays in, he is truly aiding only Trump via boosting Sanders and.

suppressing Biden.

[Gravitycollapse]

20. This sounds morally dubious at best.

[squirecam]

21. In what way?

Nt

[Gravitycollapse]

22. It sounds like intentional interference in the election.

For the sole purpose of suppressing the Sanders performance.