Sanders Looks to Topple Warren in Her Home State

[RandySF]

SPRINGFIELD, Mass. — Bernie Sanders landed in Elizabeth Warren’s home state on Friday night, stood before thousands of screaming fans and asked them to help him win it.

As Ms. Warren was campaigning hundreds of miles away in South Carolina, where voting in the state’s primary began Saturday morning, Mr. Sanders had departed for parts north, hoping to extinguish her candidacy — or at least deliver a stinging embarrassment.

With the race entering a critical phase, Mr. Sanders is looking ahead to big states like California and Texas to amass an insurmountable delegate lead next Tuesday, while also setting his sights on less glossy, but still delegate-rich states including Virginia and North Carolina.

Yet a victory in Massachusetts, where Ms. Warren was first elected to the Senate in 2012 and re-elected in 2018, would not only give Mr. Sanders, the senator from neighboring Vermont, a significant share of the state’s 91 delegates but also inflict a symbolic blow to his closest ideological rival, as he pushes to categorically establish himself as the standard-bearer of the liberal left.




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-massachusetts-.html

[ucrdem]

1. Tacky.

[dotism]

3. For real. nt

[Gravitycollapse]

4. It's tacky to win?

[Kahuna7]

12. I think it's downright nasty. Who would do that to an ally? nt

[Blue_true]

20. Sanders was out to eliminate Warren from Day 1. My disappointment with her is that

she didn't realize that until it was too late.

I don't believe Bernie will get a boost out of Super Tuesday. In fact, Biden may actually win California fairly comfortably due to NPP voters not being able to pull a democratic primary ballot. I expect to see the same dynamic as 2016, where polls were way off and those polls gave Bernie way more votes than he got. The big question after his big victory last night is whether Joe boarded a plane to California, he can't do like Hillary did in 2016 after her big wins in NY, PA, CT where she went home for a week instead of Indiana where she was ahead in the polls, Bernie campaigned hard in IN and won the state and resuscitated his campaign. My guess is Bernie is spending time on the eastcoast states because his internal polling among registered democrats in California is showing big problems for him, he needs to make up the votes that he loses there. For Biden, I think his big victory in SC almost insures victory in NC and big endorsements in VA helps him big in Virginia, in Massachusetts, all he needs is more than 15%, Bernie likely needs MA a lot more.

[Ace Rothstein]

25. Looks like you're wrong about NPP voters in CA.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/

For presidential primary elections: NPP voters will receive a “non-partisan” ballot that does not include presidential candidates. A nonpartisan ballot contains only the names of candidates for voter-nominated offices and local nonpartisan offices and measures. However, NPP voters may vote in a political party's partisan election if the political party, by party rule duly noticed to the Secretary of State, authorizes NPP voters to vote in the next presidential primary election. An NPP voter may request the ballot of one of the political parties, if any, that authorizes NPP voters to vote in the presidential primary election.

The following parties have notified the Secretary of State that they will allow No Party Preference voters to request their party’s presidential ballot in the March 3, 2020, Presidential Primary Election:

American Independent Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party

[Blue_true]

46. Then why is the Sanders campaign whining about NPP voters being excluded?

Do they want a fully open primary that have republicans voting for a democratic presidential candidate. If the Democratic Party allows NPP voters in 2020, what EXACTLY is Sanders' complaint?

[Ace Rothstein]

50. I have no idea.

I guess he thinks people will be confused? Not sure. I disagree with him on this, if people want to vote for him then they'll make sure they get the correct ballot.

[question everything]

32. Vicious. Same in Minnesota

[jimfields33]

33. Please. Warren could easily be in Massachusetts instead of Alabama today

Bernie’s going for a win and don’t forget warrens been nasty to bernie. This is payback.

Go bernie!!!!

[musicblind]

34. Warren has not been nasty to Bernie. n/t

[jimfields33]

36. You missed her speech last night

[Tumbulu]

2. this does not surprise me one bit

he should have been campaigning for her. He is both too old and too grumpy, IMO.

[jimfields33]

5. Bidens the same age

[Cha]

6. Not really

[jimfields33]

7. Oh brother.

[Cha]

8. They are not the same age.

[jimfields33]

9. 1 year difference

In grade school that may mean something but not as adults.

[Cha]

39. Deny that you were wrong when you said

they were "the same age".. it makes no difference to me. But they are not the same age.

Just stating the fact for anyone else who may be interested.

[zackymilly]

11. Let's compare medical records...Oh, that's right, Bernie won't release his. n/t

[jimfields33]

13. Biden conveniently left out is brain bleed and cancers

So he’s far from transparent.

[zackymilly]

14. So we know of Biden's bleeds and cancers. What's up with Bernie's heart? n/t

[mikelgb]

15. He had a heart attack. n/t

[zackymilly]

17. Um, yeah, but what's he hiding about it? n/t

[jimfields33]

16. We all know that too

[Demsrule86]

18. decades ago for Biden...Sanders recently had a heart attack.

[TwilightZone]

29. If he left them out, how do you know about them?

Oh, right, because they were in the medical summary he released.

And 30 years ago = a few months ago. Hmm.

Are you for real?

[Tumbulu]

49. We are talking about Warren, not Biden

I repeat- he should have been supporting her, or mentoring someone younger.

[Kahuna7]

10. I don't know what kind of pact they have, but it's time for

Warren to take the gloves off. Maybe she would be better served to go after Bernie, than Bloomberg.

[Demsrule86]

19. She went after Sanders massively last night...go Warren...what he is doing is so tacky.

I hope it backfires...he spends all that time and she still wins.

[Blue_true]

22. She waited way too late to face him down. nt

[Demsrule86]

24. She is a good person and expected Sanders to honor their agreement...she didn't know who Sander is

IMHO.

[Ace Rothstein]

26. So candidates shouldn't campaign in home states of other candidates?

LMAO at this terrible take.

[Kahuna7]

31. If Warren was in the lead and she campaigned in VT, I'm sure

bernie would take that as a sign of aggression since they're supposedly friends who had a "non-aggression agreement."

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/sanders-and-warren-had-a-non-aggression-deal-is-it-over.html

[Blue_true]

21. If there was a pact, she adhered to it, Sanders didn't.

My great disappointment with her is that she didn't see early on that Sanders was out to win at all costs (as has been his past tendency in Vermont).

[Demsrule86]

23. She is a straight shooter...and made a pact...she honored it. This is why she was my second choice.

Sanders on the other hand didn't honor the pact.

[nsd]

27. What pact?

People in this thread keep talking like there some kind of hidden agreement between Sanders and Warren. But what evidence do you have? What are you talking about exactly?

[Kahuna7]

30. Calm down. Google could have shown you that they have had one.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/sanders-and-warren-had-a-non-aggression-deal-is-it-over.html

[nsd]

37. Two things.

1) Calm down? What about my post indicated I was agitated. I was just asking a question. This is a discussion board. People are allowed to ask questions.

2) LMGTFY. This is an internet trope that does not apply in this case. Telling people to google something is appropriate if they ask "how many miles are between Boston and New York?" -- that is, something that has a clear, objective answer. In this case, your source is a NYMag article quoting unnamed sources. It's much more ambiguous.

You could have just said: "I am going off of this link in NYMag." That would have been a fine response. I wasn't irritated by your OP, but honestly, I am irritated by your response.

[Kahuna7]

42. You're a real toughie, aren't you?

[nsd]

43. Sigh ... have a good afternoon. (nt)

[samir.g]

28. that #PrimaryWarren bullshit is all over twitter now

Some bros are taking this way too far, too nasty.

[TheFarseer]

35. So Bernie is sexist for campaigning

In a state where a female opponent is from? Do you see how weird of a talking point this is? Maybe someone can provide him with a list of places he can campaign where it wouldn’t be misogynistic because this is confusing.

[zackymilly]

40. No, but Bernie is sexist for telling Warren that a woman can't win. n/t

[TheFarseer]

45. Yeah

You’re best bet is to change the subject but that is probably the second dumbest anti-Bernie talking point.

[zackymilly]

47. And he pretty much called her a liar when she confronted him. n/t

[TheFarseer]

48. I wasn't there but

I find it impossible that he would tell her a woman can’t win when 1. He encouraged her to run in 2016 and 2. A woman won the popular vote in 2016. But now we’re on a third subject. Keep trying.

[jmg257]

38. Cool. I think delegates there are worth the same as other states?

Hmm...makes sense, and in Minnesota too.

[Mike 03]

41. The political equivalent of "Ambulance Chasing". nt

[Yavin4]

44. Bernie Sanders, at war with everyone in the party.

Bernie, making enemies with everyone is not a sound strategy heading into a brokered convention.

[blm]

51. ✔️

[LuvLoogie]

53. It depends on your objective.

Bernie doesn't want to be a Democrat. The Democratic Party is the obstacle. He lives in his mom's garage. He's an "Independent."

[padah513]

52. What is his excuse for not going to Selma?