Pete voters aren't necessarily Biden voters

[DaDeacon]

I'm seeing many people make the mistake of thinking Biden and Buttigieg have the same appeal, they do in some ways and in others the two are night and day. People aren't just going to anoint Biden as there pick because Buttigieg is out. Also the rush to Biden after SC is a little predictable and premature as Super Tuesday could rewrite the script for everyone. It's fun and all to root for "our guy or gal" but the thought needs to be how do we start to pivot the parties narrative after Tuesday. Regardless of who comes out in the lead we need to start respecting the ideological left of the party. We need to avoid the same talking points of the pundits and Republicans who say we cant ask for more than what the Republicans are willing to give us. In the same vein we have to be willing to have the uncomfortable conversation of what is too much to ask for. Where does the political calculus lead us to offer up our principles and compromise for some movement of issues. Getting chicken when we ask of steak is progress when NOTHING is the alternative. May the will of the people be respected and listened too. Regardless of who wins.

[rzemanfl]

1. OMG! I really have to wash socks! BBL

[dware]

6. I was thinking the same thing.

[58Sunliner]

7. Again?

[lapfog_1]

11. defrost the freezer... and it's frost free.

[dweller]

13. i'm gonna wash my sock too

the other is my puppet

✌🏼

[rzemanfl]

19. LOL. n/t

[Clash City Rocker]

27. Is it a capitalist puppet of Wall Street?

[zackymilly]

73. It's an Establishment puppet. nt

[Pachamama]

14. LOL - Me too!!!!!

[zackymilly]

74. Got any good recipes to share? n/t

[obamanut2012]

85. yup

[evertonfc]

2. maybe not but they are Democrats

and not Democratic socialists.

[DaDeacon]

5. Lol, not learning is definitely a Democratic trait.

The most likely scenario is the same one we are in with Sanders as the frontrunner. if this plays out as it seems to be when do we start coming to a real understanding of the issues beyond sh*t talk?!? Trump won because he played to people's displeasure with the current political system. In many ways I'm willing to concede that Sanders is doing the same thing but with better intentions. This doesn't mean we cant start thinking outside of talking points. If sanders is the Nominee how will you start explaining Democratic Socialism when asked are will you just mumble about how your candidate of choice was cheated?

[W_HAMILTON]

16. We'll refer them to you Sanders supporters to explain it to them for us.

But at least, personally speaking, I won't shit on Sanders the same way his supporters shit on Hillary in 2016.

[still_one]

28. and still are by their painting of what they characterize as establishment Democrats as the enemy

[samnsara]

52. same here....ill never get those images out of my mind the way HILLS was treated by FELLOW 'DEMS'...

...but I wont behave in the same disgraceful manner when it comes to the fate of our country and democracy..

[58Sunliner]

30. "when do we start coming to a real understanding of the issues beyond sh*t talk?!?"

I guess we do have an understanding of "sh*t talk". I don't think I will have to explain to anyone about Sanders when he has no actual plans and responds with anger and irritation when pressed for any details regarding his lack of transparency for his big ideas. You have the cart before the horse. I won't be mumbling either. This isn't about socialism. It's about a candidate who has nothing more than a stump speech and a track record of accomplishing very little in terms of actual policy. If you think he is suddenly going to morph into a politician who can negotiate major policy changes and win friends and influence people I have a swamp to sell you. Getting elected will only be the start of his uphill climb. I am rather curious to see how his anger and frustration are going to play out on a national stage when he faces opposition. I guess he can always blame someone else. Or get Sirota to put out false and misleading attacks.

[dansolo]

47. No, Trump appealed to the racists and sexists

His supporters seem to be fine with the political system, just as long as Republicans are in charge. Bernie will not appeal to them.

[brush]

77. BAZINGA!

[AGeddy]

3. They may not be Biden voters... but they are likely NOT Sanders voters

Buttigieg has been called the following by Bernie supporters:

Mayo Pete
Wall Street Pete
Mayor Cheat

He has been called a "rat" and had a rat emoji associated with him by Bernie supporters.



In the most recent debates, Pete went out of his way to attack Bernie and *NOT* attack Joe.



Pete fans will have very little crossover to Bernie.

[NYMinute]

15. Keep blaming Pete .... it is a great way to get his supporters on your side

[NYMinute]

21. Good luck to you

We don't have authoritarian socialism yet.

Democracy still works on getting votes and if you don't want Pete Buttigieg suupporters' votes, more power to you.

[ArtTownsend]

22. Good thing no one is proposing authoritarian socialism.

[rzemanfl]

20. NTSA. SMDH. n/t

[58Sunliner]

31. LOL. He worked there for 3 years from 2007 to 2010--10 years ago?

I smell the scent of je ne ce pas quoi.

[TexasTowelie]

34. And that attitude

is why Bernie won't attract any of Pete's supporters.

[Scurrilous]

45. 'Delete any rat emojis...'

Link to tweet

[Vivienne235729]

68. Whoa. WTH is this?!?!! So dishonest and manipulative.

[MerryBlooms]

65. I agree with you.

Mayor Pete Buttigieg is “a bloodless asexual.”

“The gayest thing about him is he descends from an ethnic group that’s like a little toy dog,” Ms. A’Lee Frost said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-chapo-trap-house.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR0Vbpou5EEwMMkLH7nl9KUiP3JtWoTxYjVvKanAtMzze8ZxRYkrAa1i74o

[William769]

4. When Pete dropped out I went yelling & screaming for Biden.

and went yelling & screaming as far away as I could from Sanders.

[NYMinute]

17. +1,000,000 nt

[Cha]

44. Thank you! And much gratitude to Pete..

[W_HAMILTON]

9. Pete knows his supporters better than Sanders and his supporters know them.

[DaDeacon]

26. What are you saying?!?!

He dropped out?!?! What does that say for his supporters?!?!

[W_HAMILTON]

29. That he doesn't have enough of them to win the nomination...

...but, by him dropping out, he can help determine the outcome based on who his supporters will end up migrating to.

Good luck getting them to now support a Sanders campaign that lobbed homophobic and other deplorable attacks at Buttigieg and his supporters for the past year!

[NYMinute]

10. But they are all moderate Democrats

who have already rejected socialists and M4A like their leader.

[radical noodle]

12. With all the nasty things Sanders' supporters

said about Pete, I can tell you that most Buttigieg supporters will not go to sanders. This one certainly won't.

[Meadowoak]

84. Don't bet on it. Bernie will get many of Pete's Supporters if not most of them.

[radical noodle]

91. Not in any of the groups I'm in

But maybe if Pete endorses Sanders...

[Meadowoak]

92. Bernie was the #1 second choice for most of Pete's Supporters. Many of whom are college kids, I say

Bernie will get the Lions share of those. I could be wrong, but we shall see after tomorrow.

[radical noodle]

93. I just got an email from Pete

urging all his supporters to back Biden to unify the party. Pete had a lot of older voters supporting him.

[LongtimeAZDem]

23. Fortunately, the vast majority of Buttigeig supporters polled will vote for the Democratic nominee,

unlike some other candidate's followers.

https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/XjLlEgnOTuSfdrNn1BWQ

[DaDeacon]

24. Ok let's look at this ..

What common trait do you see with Buttigieg and Sanders voters? ... ?!?! It's age . The single largest indicator of peers. So what do you think will happen to supporters when they are without a candidate and talking with friends about the field?!? Just dont pretend no one warned you.

[greatauntoftriplets]

53. That graphic shows that most Buttigieg voters are 45 and older.

37 percent under 45
45 percent above 45

[DaDeacon]

79. I asked how are they similar...

[zackymilly]

75. I hope a new video game doesn't come out on election day for Bernie's sake. n/t

[DaDeacon]

80. That's what his supporters are to you?!?!

GOT IT. Loud and tone deaf.

[58Sunliner]

32. So sad.

[LizBeth]

33. 538 and Pete's people getting with Biden says otherwise.

[DaDeacon]

36. Ok..

538 also has Sanders winning the nomination as of now BUT practical predictions based off simple relationships seems more... likely.

[LizBeth]

38. Numbers dropped and they will continue to drop.

[TwilightZone]

40. 538 doesn't have him winning the nomination.

They have a 64% chance that no one will get a majority and a 40% chance that Sanders won't even get a plurality.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-buttigieg-dropping-out-isnt-good-for-sanders/

[DaDeacon]

48. If he wins the plurality of the votes...

538 states this :

Sanders is still the favorite to win a plurality of delegates, but those chances dropped slightly too, from 63 percent to 60 percent, while Biden’s plurality chances increased from 34 to 36 percent.

If he wins plurality isn't the top of the ticket we will lose period. The party will be fractured and that plurality will not just fall in line. With the majority of his supporters being younger we could really hurt our party for decades.

[TwilightZone]

50. Nope.

The only people plugging that narrative are Sanders supporters, because they don't understand how it works.

Sanders understands how it works, but pretends he doesn't. It's the same process he was in support of in 2016 and was involved in adjusting for 2020. His protestations to the contrary now are disingenuous and intentionally misleading.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Stop with the facts... facts are irrelevant when it comes to bashing Bernie.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[fallout87]

35. All these peoples faces when Sanders wins super tuesday

Is gonna be priceless....biden wins one state after running for president several times and having been the VP of the most successful recent president. LOL...

[DaDeacon]

39. Sanders is not my brick...

I really dont want to make people feel that he is my candidate of discontent or I'm supporting him out of spite. I really do need people who dont like him to starting seeing a world where they may need to support him at the top of the ticket

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Right there with you!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. It is amusing to watch!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[itsrobert]

37. Darn. His campaign isnt even cold yet.

Time and place.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

41. The issue isn't which way Mayor Pete's supporters break

Although there is strong evidence that many will gravitate to Biden if Mayor Pete endorses Biden tomorrow.

Even if they all break evenly across Sanders, Warren, Biden and Bloomberg as recent polls suggest re: second choice of voters, it will hurt Biden in delegates because there is real possibility that at least 3 will break 15% threshold in California.

We’ll see how it plays out, but we are now finally really in primary season!

[DaDeacon]

46. SiliconValley_Dem gets it.

I'm done with the rah rah. Let's start getting real about the race
Ahead of us. Part of that will be the start beginning to consolidate our party and our message.

[FreeState]

42. I'm a Pete supporter - why would I support Bernie now?

I received emails and text from Bernie claiming he won Iowa. That there is gay erasure and it pisses me off. There is no way I’ll vote for him in the primaries. He should know better.

[Scurrilous]

43. This came out as the votes were still being totaled.

Trying to steal victory.

[FreeState]

81. No I got it yesterday n/t

[DaDeacon]

49. He didn't lie to you

He won the most votes period. He lost the delegates count not misleading. If that's your threshold then you can move well past that lol.

[W_HAMILTON]

56. Sanders lied to everyone.

Sanders ran ads claiming that he won Iowa.

That was a lie.

He lost Iowa, and his forcing unnecessary additional reporting on the state just so he could claim a false victory via a useless metric (i.e., the popular vote in a caucus) resulted in stealing the spotlight away from Buttigieg's surprising and historic win there.

[DaDeacon]

66. Again he won the popular vote

Stop making a narrative that fits the outrage not the facts. Popular vote foes count and now that he's winning in delegates and votes we need to stop with the would a could bull.

[FreeState]

83. He did not see my post below. n/t

[W_HAMILTON]

94. It doesn't fucking matter.

In the only metric that matters in Iowa, he lost. It's not a fucking primary -- it's a caucus.

[DaDeacon]

95. He got delegates...how did Biden do again?!

Right it doesn't f*cking matter.

[W_HAMILTON]

96. I'm not the foolish one claiming Biden won Iowa. Buttigieg won Iowa, period.

[DaDeacon]

97. Just sited the NYT ...but here is a song ...

best of luck to all candidates tomorrow.

[FreeState]

82. Sanders did not win the popular vote

He lied.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-iowa-caucus-election-results/story?id=68333529

Candidate Delegates Vote Percentage Votes

Pete Buttigieg
14
26%
56,295

Bernie Sanders
12
26%
56,202

Stop erasing gay accomplishments please.

[DaDeacon]

86. Not so fast...

There remain, however, two Iowa “winners,” since Sanders edged Buttigieg in two measurements of raw votes, based on initial (a 6,100-vote Sanders lead) and then on realigned (a 2,500-vote lead) preferences. The DNC required that Iowa release these numbers along with SDEs after Sanders supporters claimed in 2016 that he had “really” won (it was impossible to determine without the raw preference numbers).

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/the-final-as-in-last-ever-iowa-caucus-results-are-in.html

So yes in raw votes Bernie won!!! 6100 and 2500 sorry ...

[FreeState]

87. No - the link I send is the CERTIFIED totals n/t

[DaDeacon]

88. Really NYT today reports...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/04/us/elections/results-iowa-caucus.html?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=AMPFullResults

Today updated today ...all moot as he saw no way forward because his internal polls showed Sanders up big :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/484632-buttigieg-campaign-memo-says-sanders-will-have-delegate-lead-after-super%3famp

[Happy Hoosier]

51. The point of the "rush to Biden"

Before SuperT is because we want to coalesce support around a candidate to prevent Bernie from essentially securing to nom by building too big a lead.

Biden is our best shot at nominating an actual Democrat.

[bluedye33139]

54. There is no anointing process in the Democratic primary, that 2016 talking point

is weird

[helpisontheway]

55. If Pete's voters are concerned about policy then they would not be Sandes voters

And it is not like the grumpy old man has a sunny disposition to sway them. Angry all the time...

[DaDeacon]

61. M4A is policy so is student loan forgiveness

You may not like them. You may not agree on how to fund them. You may say there is no 25 point plan BUT it is policy.

[helpisontheway]

64. Pete/Biden are not in favor of making people give up theirs insurance

like Sanders.

[DaDeacon]

72. Please ...

We all know that more than likely the compromise will be a public option but you cant get there with that compromise as your starting point.

[AkFemDem]

57. I jumped right over to Biden from Pete so some of us are.

[oasis]

62. When Pete says he ain't on board with "revolution", believe it. nt

[kwenu]

63. I think Democratic Socialists

Should run in the Democratic Socialists of America party not the Democratic party. The DSA promotes an ideological purity that just doesn't fit in the Democratic Party even though we are clear allies on many issues.

Pete IS a Democrat and ended his campaign to begin the process of consolidation behind a Democratic candidate.

[DaDeacon]

67. Man if we could have more than two viable parrties.

[Vivienne235729]

69. So you think when Pete goes and throws his support to Biden, that his suporters wil go to....bernie?

Really?!?!!

[DaDeacon]

71. Some will...

Some will go Bloomberg, Warren, etc. The fact that you don't see the possibility of that is a little odd.

[Vivienne235729]

89. Well, OF COURSE a few will go to every candidate. There are always outliers.

It goes without say. But the vast majority will follow Pete's lead.

[DaDeacon]

90. Ok

[MineralMan]

70. Yeah, well, OK, then...

[brush]

76. Or Sanders voters.

[William769]

78. DU poll so far.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287612031