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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

brooklynite

(94,493 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:37 AM Mar 2020

Bernie Sanders will get my vote, but his movement will not get my respect...

Respect is earned. And in the field of electoral politics, respect is earned by showing the ability to win elections. Other than in safe D+12 districts, the left wing has continued to show an inability to either attract votes in the middle, OR attract new votes from the left, sufficient to win competitive races.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders will get my vote, but his movement will not get my respect... (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2020 OP
I've had to vote for many lame candidates that I didn't respect. RandiFan1290 Mar 2020 #1
+1000 brutus smith Mar 2020 #2
And, just who are these"lame candidates", Randi.. and Cha Mar 2020 #9
Everyone but Sanders. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #10
Yeah. No matter how Excellent they are. Cha Mar 2020 #12
This exchange illustrates the anger and concern so many of us feel... hlthe2b Mar 2020 #3
Excellent obervation! So much for "unity". Cha Mar 2020 #11
I do, but DownriverDem Mar 2020 #4
What about Bernie voters? JoeDuck Mar 2020 #7
What about them? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #8
I was just asking. JoeDuck Mar 2020 #13
I don't think the suggestion is... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #15
same here..if bs is the nom hell yes i will vote for him but NO support..No respect.. samnsara Mar 2020 #5
You won't have to worry because Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #6
Not when hes too busy to go to Selma he won't padah513 Mar 2020 #14
Aren't they one in the same? You respect him enough Ninga Mar 2020 #16
Left v right is not the way I see the offerings Apollo Zeus Mar 2020 #17
I always hope MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #18
I don't think they give a shit. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #19
 

RandiFan1290

(6,229 posts)
1. I've had to vote for many lame candidates that I didn't respect.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:43 AM
Mar 2020

Join the club, pal

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,123 posts)
9. And, just who are these"lame candidates", Randi.. and
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:07 AM
Mar 2020

why didn't you "respect" them?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
10. Everyone but Sanders.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:10 AM
Mar 2020

And because they weren't Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,123 posts)
12. Yeah. No matter how Excellent they are.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:12 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
3. This exchange illustrates the anger and concern so many of us feel...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:48 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,123 posts)
11. Excellent obervation! So much for "unity".
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:11 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
4. I do, but
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:49 AM
Mar 2020

I don't see Center/Left voters voting for Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JoeDuck

(79 posts)
7. What about Bernie voters?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:59 AM
Mar 2020

You seem to think center/left won't vote for Bernie, but does that mean you don't expect Bernie voters to vote for another candidate?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,283 posts)
8. What about them?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:06 AM
Mar 2020

Sure they can hurt us. But Bernie has yet to demonstrate he can deliver a national winning coalition. In 2018, it was center-left candidates who won, not Bernie acolytes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JoeDuck

(79 posts)
13. I was just asking.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:13 AM
Mar 2020

I've seen a lot of comments here that we lost in 2016 because the Sanders supporters didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. I don't know if that's the reason or not, but people are blaming that. But my comment was to a suggestion that Democrats won't vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. That attitude is the same as a vote for Trump. I will vote for the nominee, I would prefer to have a candidate more toward the left than toward the middle but any of the people running in the primaries are preferable to four more years of Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,283 posts)
15. I don't think the suggestion is...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:20 AM
Mar 2020

.. that Democrats would refuse to vote for Bernie. I think the idea is that moderate Independents would not vote for him. And I do think we’d see suppressed turn-out in some core demos like women of color.

If we look at 2018, we won not because of a huge turn out of Our Revolution types, but because center-left candidates won the burbs and moderate voters. That’s how we win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,615 posts)
5. same here..if bs is the nom hell yes i will vote for him but NO support..No respect..
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:51 AM
Mar 2020

..i have never been in a position of voting for a candidate I dearly disliked..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
6. You won't have to worry because
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:55 AM
Mar 2020

He won't be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

padah513

(2,500 posts)
14. Not when hes too busy to go to Selma he won't
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:13 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
16. Aren't they one in the same? You respect him enough
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:06 AM
Mar 2020

to cast a vote for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Apollo Zeus

(251 posts)
17. Left v right is not the way I see the offerings
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:07 AM
Mar 2020

In 2008 Obama ran on Hope and Change because those words resonated with voters. He was painted as a "community organizer" with a muslim name who 'couldn't possibly win' Yet Obama defeated a person who was running their third national presidential campaign and had every legacy advantage.

Voters are even more desperate for change now. Biden is not running on "change" -- he seems to be saying the only real problem we have is Trump. Conversely the "attacks" on Bernie emphasize that Bernie IS change, perhaps 'too much change' but change and that is more popular.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
18. I always hope
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:09 AM
Mar 2020

to be able to respect someone when I vote for them. I certainly hope I'll be able to vote for a candidate that I truly like and respect this year.
That being said, THIS year I'm gonna' vote BLUE, no matter who!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
19. I don't think they give a shit.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:12 AM
Mar 2020

But whatever makes you feel powerful, I guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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