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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:06 PM Mar 2020

my bernie fan friends, please, if you vote tomorrow,

please give me you ear/eyes for just one minute.
please carefully weigh AALLLLL the pluses and minuses, and please consider voting for warren.

take the biggest lesson for us right now from 2016- do not nominate someone w high negatives.
do a head to head. a clear headed head to head.
i see zero warren minuses, and sooo many for bernie.
she is going to implement identical policies better.
she has a good grip on the intersection of race and class, where bernie sees none. that is why she has higher support among black women.

and then there is his health, WHICH.HE.IS.HIDING.

the one reason i didnt want hillary to run is that i did not want to drag her baggage from door to door. i didnt believe a bit of it. but if you are explaining, you are losing. period.

please do not make me explain the difference between democratic socialism and joseph stalin. dont make me explain why bernie keeps using the word free. dont make me explain the diff between m4a and the aca.

no good leader send an army into the deciding battle of an epic war w holes in their shoes, rocks in the rucksacks, and too few spavined, mangy, rented mules.

please give this foot soldier a banner i can carry w pride.

and if you care about what comes after, lets not burden ourselves w the hard work of revolution when our democracy has all the tools it needs to right this ship.

warren has what it takes to heal our wounds, and move us forward.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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my bernie fan friends, please, if you vote tomorrow, (Original Post) mopinko Mar 2020 OP
I have little hope you'll convince many Bernie supporters Rorey Mar 2020 #1
my only hope is that this gets through to the peeps w the holes in their shoes. mopinko Mar 2020 #13
Biden has many more negatives than Bernie! Meadowoak Mar 2020 #2
whadaboutism. i didnt say anything about biden. mopinko Mar 2020 #3
Can we say she has no path to the nomination? Is that ok? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2020 #7
At this point, it's a race between Bernie and Biden. Meadowoak Mar 2020 #19
Hard to believe katmondoo Mar 2020 #4
Sanders consistently loses the black vote badly, therefore he can't win. brush Mar 2020 #10
So in the general election, if Bernie is the candidate, black voters will stay home, vote for the johnthewoodworker Mar 2020 #16
I'm saying he can't win the nomination. And btw, Klobuchar just quit and will endorse Joe. brush Mar 2020 #18
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Do you know there are may states left after tomorrow, many in the South were... brush Mar 2020 #30
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You don't know what you're talking about. A majority is 1991 delegates. brush Mar 2020 #33
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That's a majority. Do you get it now? He has 60 delegates, a long way from that number. brush Mar 2020 #36
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That would be called a plurality. brush Mar 2020 #38
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90% of the black vote will go to the nominee whether that be Biden or Bernie. Meadowoak Mar 2020 #20
He's got to win the nomination first. See post 18. brush Mar 2020 #24
I will never understand how Democrats would choose Bernie over Elizabeth... Peacetrain Mar 2020 #5
I've got a pretty good idea why... nt sweetloukillbot Mar 2020 #6
She is a much more appealing candidate PatSeg Mar 2020 #8
she would be a win on so many levels that none of the b's could touch. mopinko Mar 2020 #9
The reason I choose her is because she is a thoughtful, shrewd, quick witted, and warm johnthewoodworker Mar 2020 #17
I love Elizabeth Warren too, but she has no path to the nomination. So I'm with Bernie and Warren Meadowoak Mar 2020 #21
That's why she's losing progressives to Bernie Moderateguy Mar 2020 #23
You nailed it NT Rorey Mar 2020 #25
+10000 EXACTLY!! Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #29
+1 grantcart Mar 2020 #39
The problem is, Warren hasn't caught on with voters, for whatever reason. DanTex Mar 2020 #11
+1 Meadowoak Mar 2020 #22
If your choice is between Bernie and Elizabeth, Sloumeau Mar 2020 #12
Bernie has the highest favorability ratings. Way higher than Warren. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2020 #14
Wow was that poll wrong. Bernie lost the black vote in a landslide redstateblues Mar 2020 #28
No kidding. Not even close to be correct. honest.abe Mar 2020 #35
Thank you for the respectful, thoughtful post. If any type of post can change minds, it's this one. Doremus Mar 2020 #15
I, personally, have no problems with Warren being the nominee lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2020 #32
Wise advice grantcart Mar 2020 #41
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
1. I have little hope you'll convince many Bernie supporters
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:11 PM
Mar 2020

But you've made valid points. Good post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
13. my only hope is that this gets through to the peeps w the holes in their shoes.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Meadowoak

(5,536 posts)
2. Biden has many more negatives than Bernie!
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:12 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
3. whadaboutism. i didnt say anything about biden.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:14 PM
Mar 2020

and btw, most of those points apply to biden as well. he is scraping from primary to primary. warren has been on the ground for a year already.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
7. Can we say she has no path to the nomination? Is that ok?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Meadowoak

(5,536 posts)
19. At this point, it's a race between Bernie and Biden.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brush

(53,743 posts)
10. Sanders consistently loses the black vote badly, therefore he can't win.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020

No Dem (or pretend Dem) can win without AA support.

Time to stop and think about that if you don't want 4 more years of trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
16. So in the general election, if Bernie is the candidate, black voters will stay home, vote for the
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:40 PM
Mar 2020

cat grabber, or vote for some unspecified third party?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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brush

(53,743 posts)
18. I'm saying he can't win the nomination. And btw, Klobuchar just quit and will endorse Joe.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to brush (Reply #18)

 

brush

(53,743 posts)
30. Do you know there are may states left after tomorrow, many in the South were...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:44 PM
Mar 2020

Biden is strong. Sanders will not get a majority before the convention.

Then all bets are off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to brush (Reply #30)

 

brush

(53,743 posts)
33. You don't know what you're talking about. A majority is 1991 delegates.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 04:10 PM
Mar 2020

He won't have anything close to that after tomorrow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to brush (Reply #33)

 

brush

(53,743 posts)
36. That's a majority. Do you get it now? He has 60 delegates, a long way from that number.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 04:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to brush (Reply #36)

 

brush

(53,743 posts)
38. That would be called a plurality.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 04:47 PM
Mar 2020

1991 is still and will remain the majority to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to brush (Reply #38)

 

Meadowoak

(5,536 posts)
20. 90% of the black vote will go to the nominee whether that be Biden or Bernie.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:05 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brush

(53,743 posts)
24. He's got to win the nomination first. See post 18.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:17 PM
Mar 2020

The so-called moderates are lining up behind Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
5. I will never understand how Democrats would choose Bernie over Elizabeth...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:15 PM
Mar 2020

She has actually accomplished things with the banking bills.. She has been a card carrying Democrat since 1996 and has stood with us through the storms of politics..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

sweetloukillbot

(10,972 posts)
6. I've got a pretty good idea why... nt
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,282 posts)
8. She is a much more appealing candidate
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020

Really smart and very inspiring. Her stump speeches are outstanding.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
9. she would be a win on so many levels that none of the b's could touch.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020

i esp dont get it why they dont think avenging hillary's loss is a fight worth having.
i wish she would endorse her. i really do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
17. The reason I choose her is because she is a thoughtful, shrewd, quick witted, and warm
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:44 PM
Mar 2020

human being.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Meadowoak

(5,536 posts)
21. I love Elizabeth Warren too, but she has no path to the nomination. So I'm with Bernie and Warren
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:12 PM
Mar 2020

Will make a great VP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Moderateguy

(945 posts)
23. That's why she's losing progressives to Bernie
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:15 PM
Mar 2020

They want a revolution-you know the kind with pitchforks and burning everything to the ground. They don't want a progressive candidate who will work within the system to get things done

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. The problem is, Warren hasn't caught on with voters, for whatever reason.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020

For progressives, either Warren or Sanders would be great. But it's going to come down to delegates. Particularly with the superdelegates already talking about trying to override the popular vote, as the NYT reported.

If Warren were ahead right now, I'd happily support her. But realistically, she is not going to get the most pledged delegates. Bernie is the only progressive that can do that. And the more pledged delegates Bernie gets, the more difficult it becomes for the superdelegates to deny him the nomination.

In the first few contests, where the different candidates were jockeying for position, either Bernie or Warren would make sense for progressives. But at this point, it's shifted into a new phase, the delegate race starts full-on, and so it's time for progressives to unite behind Bernie, simply because he's the only one with a real chance to win the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
12. If your choice is between Bernie and Elizabeth,
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020

definitely go with Senator Elizabeth Warren. She's about as left as Bernie and twice as electable. Just by being a woman, she can take advantage of the 20 point gender gap that Democrats can get with women over Republicans. If you like the left lane, Senator Warren is the only real choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
14. Bernie has the highest favorability ratings. Way higher than Warren.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
28. Wow was that poll wrong. Bernie lost the black vote in a landslide
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:32 PM
Mar 2020

Biden had 61% Bernie had 17%

If I were to vote in a presidential
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honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
35. No kidding. Not even close to be correct.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 04:13 PM
Mar 2020

Polls are worthless now anyway after whats been happening the past 3 days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
15. Thank you for the respectful, thoughtful post. If any type of post can change minds, it's this one.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:21 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,193 posts)
26. I, personally, have no problems with Warren being the nominee
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020

and the whole "Pocahontas" crap is now "old story" so I'm not sure what Trumpanzees will say about her. Their usual ploy is just to continue on so I think it's not effective. (note that they still to this day do the "lock her up" chant... )

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. Wise advice
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 04:54 PM
Mar 2020

If Sanders supporters really cared about party unity, passing progressive policies or taking the Senate they would vote For Warren. They don't. They are devoted to a visitor.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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