Democratic Primaries
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The trajectory of the Democratic primaries is clear: it would take a miracle for Sanders to prevent Biden from becoming the nominee.
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7:09 AM - Mar 4, 2020 · Alexandria, VA
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BComplex
(8,046 posts)has got to stop, or we're going to have 4 more years of trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BComplex
(8,046 posts)And it needs to stop. I'm not in the Bernie camp, but I totally get his points, and the Democratic party has, indeed, and still is, making his campaign as if it's a pox on the world. Bernie leads the liberals, which make up a HUGE portion of the democratic party. The liberals need to have a voice, so if the democratic party wants to keep them, then the democratic party needs to give them that voice. Bernie has done that. Do you remember how much headway the Green party had before Bernie stepped in? If I'm not terribly mistaken, didn't the Green party make it harder for Al Gore to beat George Bush when the election got stolen?
If the democratic party wants to keep those voters, they need to be given their voice, and treated with respect, or they'll go Green or go Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)- Bernie Sanders, February 12, 2020
He equates us with Trump and the Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mindem
(1,580 posts)when it comes to that sentiment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us."
That Democratic establishment he's fighting gave us civil rights, voting rights, social security and Medicare.
My guess is you'll be tempted to argue context and nuance in his statement, and that would be fair. Very fair.
However, denying that same context and nuance to arguments against him by implying he's being treated like an enemy of the USA is not fair.
Logic, my man. Try logic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)That's what it would take now to throw Biden off track. I'm not rooting for it nor expecting it, but that is the last hoop Biden has to jump through now. He has been erratic to date in the debates. If he can merely hold his own debating Sanders and at most one other candidate for two hours I think the nomination will be his. But if he F's that up, the nomination is not yet secure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Mediocre will be enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)And I expect his next debate performance will be a good, not mediocre one. But there is a different dynamic in a twp or three person debate than there is in a six, seven or more person debate. That is the last bar for Biden to clear and I fully expect he will do so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tritsofme
(17,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indykatie
(3,696 posts)The fact that Bernie can't attract large numbers of Black voters makes it impossible for him to win the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moostache
(9,895 posts)That would doom the nation to 4 more years of Trump without question. Is the movement or message or idea big enough to say to history "I do not care what this causes or how many it ends up hurting in the end...I will not go quietly or concede." That is a tough sale to make at this point in history, at least to me. I genuinely believe that if Trump wins a second term the republic will fall. The SCOTUS would fall to a permanent 6-3 or 7-2 conservative majority, the judiciary is already stacked with unqualified ideologues for the next 35 years and the Senate is a useless rubber stamp of McConnell and Trump's choosing. Even holding the House would not stop the destruction...without a voter led removal of Trump from office, there is not going to be a 'next time'...maybe Bernie is unconcerned with this, maybe his followers are likewise disposed of concern for the future, but I am not and that is why I cannot join their efforts.
Trump is locked in at 45% of the vote, period. A third party run that garnered just 10% of the vote would be enough to tilt the scales in favor of Trump and eliminate any chance of the republic surviving until 2024. That simply put CANNOT HAPPEN.
There is ONE shot left at this and if it is blown for vanity or stubbornness in the face of the truth (one candidate is going have a majority of Democratic Party support and one is going to have a plurality of protest voters), history will not be kind.
It may not be time for Bernie to drop out, it may even be OK to go all the way to the convention, but he MUST start signalling compromise to move the party platform left and get as much of his agenda into the convention as possible, but also MUST avoid a repeat of kneecapping our Party candidate, intentional or unintentional. We have to beat Trump, come hell or high water.
It looks like Biden may have done enough to gain the necessary momentum to gain the nomination, the question is does Bernie Sanders want to defeat Donald Trump or make another Sisyphean effort to make a point? I truly hope that the focus shifts to making Trump a one-term disaster instead of the end of the republic immediately.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden