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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:00 PM Mar 2020

Please put me, a lifelong social democrat, in Joe Biden's column.

Super Tuesday, besides its yooge delegate haul, marks the end of the test drive.

Elizabeth Warren was my first choice. As her campaign faltered, I considered backing Bernie.

Bernie has earned our respect not only through his bold, tireless campaign; but most of all through the seismic policy shift in the Democratic Party - and American public opinion - that he has already created.

He has already made history.

But as any social democrat anywhere could tell them, you can bring a lot more positive change about in a coalition with socially-conscious centrists like Joe Biden.

Biden just showed us he still has what it takes to win: to be the Killer Joe we need.

Yes: running as a "socialist" isn't the deal-breaker it was 20 or 30 years ago - but is it worth trying to find out?

Not this time, my fellow social democrats. Not this time.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Please put me, a lifelong social democrat, in Joe Biden's column. (Original Post) sandensea Mar 2020 OP
One more for the win!! Orange man be gone Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #1
That's the ticket! sandensea Mar 2020 #2
OMG -- I'm so looking forward to NEVER seeing that FACE - ever again.! 42bambi Mar 2020 #3
Your words to God's ear sandensea Mar 2020 #5
I said after the last election, I wanted someone with a lot of Bernies ideas, but not brewens Mar 2020 #4
As Yavin4 pointed out, he made made too many mistakes to defeat Fuhrer Drumpf (THE task here) sandensea Mar 2020 #8
I would have said democratic socialist too awhile back, but you are correct. I usually just brewens Mar 2020 #10
If I had a dollar for every time someone told Bernie to refer to himself as a 'social democrat'! sandensea Mar 2020 #12
Warren needed her own plan dansolo Mar 2020 #13
Excellent analysis. sandensea Mar 2020 #22
That is pure evil emanating from trumps hideous face .. CatMor Mar 2020 #6
Well said. We need the BEST BET possible. sandensea Mar 2020 #9
Go Joe! pandr32 Mar 2020 #7
+1 sandensea Mar 2020 #11
yes,please!!!!!!!!!! demigoddess Mar 2020 #14
Because if we don't win... sandensea Mar 2020 #16
Thank You blue-wave Mar 2020 #15
+1 sandensea Mar 2020 #18
Thank you for your pragmatism, Sandensea! LaMouffette Mar 2020 #17
Exactly. Too much is at stake here. sandensea Mar 2020 #20
Elizabeth was my first choice, too. geardaddy Mar 2020 #19
I hear you. sandensea Mar 2020 #21
You said it. geardaddy Mar 2020 #23
I'm with you IronLionZion Mar 2020 #24
Well said: MORE of Bernie and Liz's policies implemented sandensea Mar 2020 #33
Let Make America Normal Again (MANA) ace3csusm Mar 2020 #25
+1 William769 Mar 2020 #43
And what will the excuse be the next time? We will never get real change until we elect someone Luciferous Mar 2020 #26
Bernie's going to have Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #30
I hear you. sandensea Mar 2020 #31
Yeah, I'll admit that Warren was my first choice and I was really disappointed Luciferous Mar 2020 #35
+1 sandensea Mar 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2020 #27
Killer Joe- I like that. Pepsidog Mar 2020 #28
He proved he still has what it takes. sandensea Mar 2020 #34
You hit every nail on its head!❤ Thanks for the lucid analysis...we are twins! Karadeniz Mar 2020 #29
Why, thank you. Likewise! sandensea Mar 2020 #37
"Killer Joe" great song by Benny Golson and Art Farmer Walleye Mar 2020 #32
Save that link! sandensea Mar 2020 #36
Some lyrics Walleye Mar 2020 #38
Sweet! Visualize.... sandensea Mar 2020 #42
It really would be a big fucking deal. Walleye Mar 2020 #44
YOOGE, too. sandensea Mar 2020 #45
Thank you for the respect you are showing Bernie - he has already IndyOp Mar 2020 #39
+1 sandensea Mar 2020 #41
Welcome aboard.... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #46
Thank you. sandensea Mar 2020 #47
 

Thekaspervote

(32,752 posts)
1. One more for the win!! Orange man be gone
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:04 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
2. That's the ticket!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020

The test drive really is over.

I may sympathize more with Bernie and Liz - but we are now, in effect, in general election mode.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
3. OMG -- I'm so looking forward to NEVER seeing that FACE - ever again.!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
5. Your words to God's ear
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

What you just said, is JOB ONE and JOB ONE MILLION.

Anyone who isn't a drooling fascist, we must coalesce to defeat those who (sadly) are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brewens

(13,565 posts)
4. I said after the last election, I wanted someone with a lot of Bernies ideas, but not
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:10 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie. That could have been Warren had Bernie not been in the race. She should have stuck to single payer, but come up with details on how people wouldn't lose the part of their pay medical insurance represents. That's what they like, not really the plan they have. It has to be better coverage than most have, and employers still have to pay for it one way or another.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
8. As Yavin4 pointed out, he made made too many mistakes to defeat Fuhrer Drumpf (THE task here)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287627994

To those, I'd add his stubborn insistence on calling himself a "democratic socialist" - when, like myself, he's a social democrat.

Besides being a lot more palatable to voters, it's more accurate in his case.

Yooge difference!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brewens

(13,565 posts)
10. I would have said democratic socialist too awhile back, but you are correct. I usually just
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:22 PM
Mar 2020

call myself a liberal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
12. If I had a dollar for every time someone told Bernie to refer to himself as a 'social democrat'!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:28 PM
Mar 2020

But he's stubborn.

And there's no room for error here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
13. Warren needed her own plan
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

She made a big mistake by going all in on Bernie's plan. She could have found a spot between Bernie and the moderates. I think her advisers doomed her campaign by not playing to her strengths. If she came up with her own unique plan, she could have contrasted herself against Bernie, instead of always being stuck in his shadow. By staying in Bernie's lane, she limited her ability to appeal to the center-left electorate who knew that M4A is unrealistic. Then all she had was Bernie supporters, who weren't going to abandon him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
22. Excellent analysis.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:16 PM
Mar 2020

Every primary season has slipstreamers, some them quite presidential in their own right (as was Warren's case).

Ultimately, they never find their break out moment.

All behind us now, in any case. Short of something bad and unexpected (God forbid), we have our presumptive nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
6. That is pure evil emanating from trumps hideous face ..
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

our country needs Joe Biden to make America great again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
9. Well said. We need the BEST BET possible.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020

And now that I was left with just two names (essentially), the conclusion is that while Bernie's bold - what we need is a Killer Joe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
16. Because if we don't win...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:00 PM
Mar 2020

we won't just not see any new social democratic reforms, we'll lose many of many of the ones FDR, Truman, LBJ, and Obama already earned for us.

To say nothing of our democracy itself.

Bernie's a great man, and he's already changed the party.

But the voters have spoken, the test drive is over, and we have a job to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
15. Thank You
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:55 PM
Mar 2020

for your reasoning and common sense. We must win this time!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
18. +1
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:04 PM
Mar 2020

Test drive's over. And we've got a runaway, stolen orange truck we need to stop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaMouffette

(2,022 posts)
17. Thank you for your pragmatism, Sandensea!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:02 PM
Mar 2020

I love Bernie's ideas, too, and voted for him in the 2016 primary, but too much is at stake in this election. If Trump is going around saying things like "They rigged the elections against Bernie!" then you just know that Bernie is Trump's hoped-for opponent. He's probably already been practicing saying "He's a socialist, folks!" without it coming out "He'sh a shoshialishth, folksh!"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
20. Exactly. Too much is at stake here.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:07 PM
Mar 2020

Our phones and calendars may say March 4th - but it's really October 4th, you know?

There's a madman we need to stop, and I'm convinced Killer Joe can do this better than anyone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
19. Elizabeth was my first choice, too.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:05 PM
Mar 2020

I voted for her in yesterday's MN primary.

I am now firmly in the Biden camp.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
21. I hear you.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

The primaries are essentially over. It's time to switch to general election mode; to come together.

I am - and I'm not exactly the fastest gun in the west.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
23. You said it.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:24 PM
Mar 2020

I want unity. In 2016 (and I was a Bernie supporter) I jumped on the Clinton bandwagon as soon as he left the race. We have to keep the eye on the prize.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
24. I'm with you
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

At this point Joe might get us more of Bernie and Liz's policies implemented, especially if he can deliver a blue wave to take the Senate too.

No M4A this time, but I sure hope we can get a public option for our lower income workers left out of employer plans who can't afford ACA plans. I hope we can get some sensible gun laws, and some progress on economic and social issues. Joe has a way of getting laws passed.

I'll still sport the Liz Warren badge on DU and vote for her in my primary but I'm all in for Joe Biden for the general election without any doubts or reservations. Liz knows all this, she just wants to advance progressive policy at this point. She also achieved a major victory for our party and Biden by taking Bloomberg out. I'm confident she'll endorse Biden at the convention and bring in unity from the more sensible social democrats and leftists who want to defeat Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
33. Well said: MORE of Bernie and Liz's policies implemented
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:55 PM
Mar 2020

At the end of the day, that's what these decisions are all about: what can we get done, and who's best positioned to do so.

Politics. The art of the possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ace3csusm

(969 posts)
25. Let Make America Normal Again (MANA)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:32 PM
Mar 2020

Its MANA time

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Luciferous

(6,078 posts)
26. And what will the excuse be the next time? We will never get real change until we elect someone
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:33 PM
Mar 2020

like Sanders or Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,952 posts)
30. Bernie's going to have
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:50 PM
Mar 2020

to learn to build coalitions if he wants to win. You can’t insult all of your prospective allies and then hope to gain their support. He’s burnt too many bridges.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
31. I hear you.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:51 PM
Mar 2020

I wish Liz had gotten more traction - but she didn't.

I wish Bernie had been referring to himself as a 'social democrat' - not 'democratic socialist'.

But he wouldn't.

And, while not the kryptonite it was a generation ago, that one mistake might just give Orange Amin a second term. Bernie's results thus far show that it's a heavy lift even among many Democrats.

Look: Without being a Democrat, Bernie's already remade the Democratic Party. He has already made history.

And he can still make so much more of it! So much pluralist, humanist change - but only if Cheeto's defeated.

The primaries were great - probably the most interesting ever. But we're essentially in general election season now.

The Rethugs certainly are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Luciferous

(6,078 posts)
35. Yeah, I'll admit that Warren was my first choice and I was really disappointed
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:57 PM
Mar 2020

she didn't do better. I'll vote for Biden if he's the nominee but I have to say that the gloating and the Bernie bashing around here is really disgusting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
40. +1
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

I don't like reading it either.

Whatever his faults, Bernie has already brought about so much positive, necessary change within the Democratic Party - so much that didn't seem possible even a decade ago.

A Biden presidency, if that's how this turns out, will definitely give him a seat at the table.

A second term of Orange Goering?

Fuhgedabouit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to sandensea (Original post)

 

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
28. Killer Joe- I like that.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:45 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
34. He proved he still has what it takes.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:57 PM
Mar 2020

It surprised me - and it'll surprise Orange Goering.

Bigly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Karadeniz

(22,492 posts)
29. You hit every nail on its head!❤ Thanks for the lucid analysis...we are twins!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:48 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
37. Why, thank you. Likewise!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:00 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Walleye

(31,002 posts)
32. "Killer Joe" great song by Benny Golson and Art Farmer
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:53 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
36. Save that link!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:58 PM
Mar 2020

I want to see it on the Video feed on November 3rd.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Walleye

(31,002 posts)
38. Some lyrics
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:02 PM
Mar 2020

I’ve never heard it with lyrics but this from google “This here's the story about Killer Joe
He's a real bad cat, forget I told you so
Silk on the corners of his fancy threads
Double breasted pin stripe coat top press
Fast talkin' good looking flim flam jive
Why he's the kind o' cat that'll make a dead man cry
So look out for Killer Joe!
Killer Joe - Killer Joe”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
42. Sweet! Visualize....
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:37 PM
Mar 2020

that tune, at the Inaugural Gala next January!

It's either that, Cheeto shimmying to 'No One Tells the President What To Do' by the Olsen sisters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Walleye

(31,002 posts)
44. It really would be a big fucking deal.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:00 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IndyOp

(15,512 posts)
39. Thank you for the respect you are showing Bernie - he has already
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:11 PM
Mar 2020

moved mountains. He is deserving of tremendous respect.

It must be beyond lousy to hear most Democrats insulting you 24/7.

The growth of Our Revolution has been really impressive - I pray that Bernie will work his way through this and remain the brilliant and (I think) most morally consistent actor in the Senate for decades.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
41. +1
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:33 PM
Mar 2020

He - and Liz Warren - have so many ideas and proactive change still to contribute.

The key to that, will be defeating Orange Goering - the sine qua non, if we are to get anything positive done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
47. Thank you.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:49 PM
Mar 2020

I had told myself that Super Tuesday should be my own decision day - the end of the test drive, so to speak.

Joe's performance - and his gracious, compelling speech last night - really helped convince me that he was, in fact, the candidate most likely to make it happen for us on November.

Which is the most important thing here (need I say!).

But so did weeks of reading the many well-considered arguments right here on DU. DU'ers helped me decide - me and many other voters, I'm sure.

Let's get'er done.



Bye Don.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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